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I think it's pretty obvious that LST just doesn't understand how much Butler wants to win.

Maybe a little visit from Butler where he loudly declares how much he cares about winning, directed via a few insults and shown via national cameras, would help LST understand just how much Butler truly cares about winning... at least compared to how much every other person in the world cares about winning.

I agree with LST, Playing hurt or slightly injured can also risk future money down the road if that injury becomes longer term. If someone is generally in it only for the money, they may want to sit out longer then someone else. But it depends too on how established you are. Kawhi took off almost a full year to ensure he was healthy going forward and get a max deal. Butler may only want to play when he is nearer 100% then other guys. He's definitely not a good leader or team player, we saw that.

Aside from Butler (because who really wants to try and figure that guy out) honestly some people just don't have the same body as other people. You hav to get a little lucky too. Cal Ripken I'm sure played through plenty of things you would have to for that type of streak but you also have to be a little lucky. Lavine tore his ACL without contact right? One of the best athletes in the NBA that typically lands like he is being lowered down softly on a rope tore his ACL. Stuff happens. My honest opinion about Butler's injuries? I think the guy is hurt. I think sometimes it's in his and his team's best interest he sits out some games. We're people questioning Manu's toughness when he sat out games? Do I think especially this season Butler sat some games he could have played? Probably. Last year the guy came back and helped the Wolves make the playoffs and then either didn't have it or didn't give it all in the playoffs. Ultimately Butler's injury issues are a real problem like CP3 on Butler isn't quite that level of player although very good. The injuries were the biggest reason I gave pause about considering the Butler trade that was talked about in the first place. A reason in my mind I was ok with the deal was I thought the Wolves would get him for less than all the years and money he could get. I was wrong on that. It's safe to say it's a good thing Jimmy is someone else's problem. Meanwhile hopefully Covington's injury history doesn't get worse with time.

Bobby Marks reports in his trade deadline guide for every team that Lavine because of his contract can veto any trade. I'm not sure if that's just this year or the rest of his deal but that would seem to make any deal if the tumorsthe Bulls are interested in moving him...complicated. Unless the rumors were from Lavine's side. Lol

http://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/25459260/nba-trade-deadline-team-team-guide-moves-make

monsterpile wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

Duke13 wrote:

PorkChop wrote:The Knicks could look like this next year

Irving
Durant
Zion Williamson
Kevin Knox
Mitch Robinson

Wow!

That would take some good fortune but yes it's possible. And they have have young cheap players as assets to trade or to fill the roster out and draft picks. I don't want to sounds like a Knicks fan because I'm not but really like the move. We might be forced to do something like this with Kat sooner then people wants to admit. Just sayin. Because this is coming with him for sure!

I like the trade for both teams but is it a good trade if they can't get Irving and Durant and get Harris and Cousins again. And if odds they would get the 5th pick.

But I like the gamble.

It is possible they could do this.

Irving/mudiay
Barrett (with the Mavs pick that lands #2)/smith
Durant/Knox
Zion (#1 pick)/vonleh
Cheap center (jordan or kanter, I doubt)

But they could end up with.

Smith/ mudiay
Knox
Harris (max to near max)
Vonleh
Cousins (near max)/Bol bol (random #5 pick)

Then that 2021 pick becomes late 20s pick

Mavs pick this year goes to Atlanta for the Luka trade. The first pick they will get from the Mavs is 2021.

To me if the Knicks miss out on the Kyrie Durant type FAs they would be smart to use their space to keep building. Sign some guys to good deals or short term (even just 1 year) ones. Maybe even use some space to add more draft picks by taking on a bad contract for a year. Trade for Wiggins. Lol jk but seriously why jump the gun? They don't have any young players they have to win NOW with. I know it's the Knicks and there is always some pressure there but they didn't want to deal anything for Jimmy a few months ago and they have some pieces there. Utilize the opportunity to develop some players. Both from your roster and guys you can add both for your future and possibly for the next deal that can be made. They could also throw some decent
Money at various RFAs and see what happens. It will be interesting to see if Fizdale is the right guy for that franchise. He has a crappy roster this year but I'm a little more skeptical after this year than I was going into it. Regardless they are already the worst team in the league and will likely be much worse once everything shakes out from this deal.

It's the 1st unprotected pick zach lowe reported. The pick to the hawks is top 5 protected but if it is in the top 5 the Knicks get it

Interesting. If that's really how it is (the last I heard nobody was really sure how that would pan out) then this deal could be even better than it was before. Getting a top 5 pick this year would be pretty big.

I'm correcting myself (at least by KOC reporting). Lowe reported that next unprotected pick goes to the Knicks so I thought if it lands in the top 5 this year that pick would go to the Knicks.

I was wrong if it lands in unit top 5. Mavs keep the pick. Hawks get the 2020 pick and Knicks then would get 2020 unprecedented because the mavs can't trade back to back 1sts

kekgeek1 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

Duke13 wrote:

PorkChop wrote:The Knicks could look like this next year

Irving
Durant
Zion Williamson
Kevin Knox
Mitch Robinson

Wow!

That would take some good fortune but yes it's possible. And they have have young cheap players as assets to trade or to fill the roster out and draft picks. I don't want to sounds like a Knicks fan because I'm not but really like the move. We might be forced to do something like this with Kat sooner then people wants to admit. Just sayin. Because this is coming with him for sure!

I like the trade for both teams but is it a good trade if they can't get Irving and Durant and get Harris and Cousins again. And if odds they would get the 5th pick.

But I like the gamble.

It is possible they could do this.

Irving/mudiay
Barrett (with the Mavs pick that lands #2)/smith
Durant/Knox
Zion (#1 pick)/vonleh
Cheap center (jordan or kanter, I doubt)

But they could end up with.

Smith/ mudiay
Knox
Harris (max to near max)
Vonleh
Cousins (near max)/Bol bol (random #5 pick)

Then that 2021 pick becomes late 20s pick

Mavs pick this year goes to Atlanta for the Luka trade. The first pick they will get from the Mavs is 2021.

To me if the Knicks miss out on the Kyrie Durant type FAs they would be smart to use their space to keep building. Sign some guys to good deals or short term (even just 1 year) ones. Maybe even use some space to add more draft picks by taking on a bad contract for a year. Trade for Wiggins. Lol jk but seriously why jump the gun? They don't have any young players they have to win NOW with. I know it's the Knicks and there is always some pressure there but they didn't want to deal anything for Jimmy a few months ago and they have some pieces there. Utilize the opportunity to develop some players. Both from your roster and guys you can add both for your future and possibly for the next deal that can be made. They could also throw some decent
Money at various RFAs and see what happens. It will be interesting to see if Fizdale is the right guy for that franchise. He has a crappy roster this year but I'm a little more skeptical after this year than I was going into it. Regardless they are already the worst team in the league and will likely be much worse once everything shakes out from this deal.

It's the 1st unprotected pick zach lowe reported. The pick to the hawks is top 5 protected but if it is in the top 5 the Knicks get it

Interesting. If that's really how it is (the last I heard nobody was really sure how that would pan out) then this deal could be even better than it was before. Getting a top 5 pick this year would be pretty big.

I'm correcting myself (at least by KOC reporting). Lowe reported that next unprotected pick goes to the Knicks so I thought if it lands in the top 5 this year that pick would go to the Knicks.

I was wrong if it lands in unit top 5. Mavs keep the pick. Hawks get the 2020 pick and Knicks then would get 2020 unprecedented because the mavs can't trade back to back 1sts

Thanks for posting and clarifying. That honestly makes more sense. To be fair lots of people were confused and or waiting on the edge of their seat to see how those protections were all gonna work out. I still think what the Knicks did with that deal makes a lot of sense. Whether they make the best use of what they did remains to be seen.

Woj reports that the Lakers have sweetened their offer for Anthony DavisApparently, the Lakers are no offering Ingram, Ball, Kuzma, "salary relief" (presumably expiring contracts) and draft picks for AD.

Davis has indicated that he's sign long term with the following teams: Lakers, Clippers, Bucks and Knicks. I like that he has the Bucks on his list. That's consistent with his claim that he wants out of New Orleans because he wants to win. I guess the Lakers make sense as a winning destination too with LeBron there. But I'm not sure the Clippers and Knicks makes sense as winning destinations. Maybe he's counting on the Clippers and Knicks adding another star in free agency this summer.

The Celtics were not listed by AD as one of his preferred destinations. And the Celtics can't trade for him while Kyrie is still on their roster. Apparently, the Celtics are urging the Pelicans to wait until the summer.

My sense is that the Pelicans will trade AD to the Lakers. Ingram, Kuzma, Ball, first round picks and cap room adds up to a pretty good haul for a guy who has publicly demanded a trade. AD is a great player, but he gets hurt a lot. And he hasn't exactly carried the Pelicans very far this season. Although it might be tempting to wait until summer for the chance to get a better deal from the Celtics, I don't think the Pelicans organization will want to endure the atmospherics of finishing out the season with a high profile player who has publicly demanded when they can get a nice jump start on a rebuild with Kuzma, Ball, Ingram and extra picks. Losing AD the rest of the season will enhance the Pelicans draft position this year.

The Lakers will be tough with a healthy LeBron, AD, Hart, KCP and the rest of the Lakers' supporting case.

The Laker/Pels drama is really interesting to me. Yes, as Lip says, the Lakers will be quite formidable with LeBron and Davis (the other guys don't so much for me). But Lip is right...Davis is injury prone and LeBron is a 34-year-old with a nagging groin injury. Is it worth it to give up almost ALL of their young talent and cap space? I guess yes, but it's a tough call for them.

Here's an out-of-the-box thought. Maybe the Pels don't want all the young guns LA wants to send them (they all have their flaws) but would prefer to trade Davis and, say, Mirotic, for LeBron. The Lakers might like adding a stud like David and another very good young player to their roster (and still have cap space), while the Pels know they are losing Davis anyway and might be delighted to get LBJ as a "consolation prize". The Lakers are not going to win it all if the Pels don't accept the current offer for Davis and LBJ doesn't have that many great years left, so maybe they decide to retool with a lot of young talent. Davis, Mirotic, Ball, Kuzma, Ingram, Rondo, Hart, McGee, KCP and whatever star they can still pick up with cap space might be a smarter long-term option for them.

(oh am I ever gonna be ripped for suggesting that LeBron get traded!)

This was always going to be the offer for AD, really should be news. If they accept anything less from LAL, Silver would step in. Milwaukee and NY don't have the tradable assets to make the deal, NY night with the picks, but they'd be left so bare it wouldn't make sense. So much can happen before he hits FA after next year. It's still LAL or Boston.

Just got done watching the Bucks butcher, and i mean butcher the nets in Brooklyn. Since AD has listed the Bucks as someone he would sign with long term, they at least have to try. I'd offer Middleton, DJ Wilson, Thon Maker, Divencenzo, and Sterling Brown. And then take on a bad contract and add a couple #1 picks. Giannis / Davis / Brogdon / Bledsoe / Lopez = Eastern Conference Champions