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lipoli390 wrote:Anyone watching the Kings-Spurs game. Belly started the KIngs off with a long three that he took without any hesitation. A far cry from the guy who seemed afraid to shot threes with the Wolves. But of course, under Thibodeau, everyone on the Wolves repeatedly hesitated before taking threes. Ryan Saunders has a lot of work to break old habits drilled into them by Thibodeau and create a new culture.

Belly is shooting exactly same amount of three pointers per 100 possessions than he shot last year in Minnesota. Even his three point accuracy is almost identical.

He is having a career year but mainly because he is shooting more two pointers getting more offensive rebounds, assists and blocks and playing career high minutes. Not because he would be suddenly shooting more three pointers.

It seems Monster beat me about posting similar response already.

Main difference in Belly's play between last season and this season is that in Minnesota he was used almost purely as floor spacer but in Sacramento he has been allowed to handle the ball more and create off the dribble. That has resulted more free throws, assists, turnovers and offensive rebounds. But overall I think it has been good for Belly and team since he is pretty good with the ball.

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Just got done watching the Bucks butcher, and i mean butcher the nets in Brooklyn. Since AD has listed the Bucks as someone he would sign with long term, they at least have to try. I'd offer Middleton, DJ Wilson, Thon Maker, Divencenzo, and Sterling Brown. And then take on a bad contract and add a couple #1 picks. Giannis / Davis / Brogdon / Bledsoe / Lopez = Eastern Conference Champions

Then again, the Bucks are leading the East with what they have with supporting depth and draft picks for the future. Middleton is a floor stretcher and ball-handler to complement Giannis. Then there's the issue of AD's durability or lack thereof. I don't know. Maybe the Bucks should take a pass.

Well they are good, no doubt. But if you've got Giannis and Davis you are almost certain to contend for the next 5 years regardless who you line up next to them. And of course those two would also act as a magnet for another star. I'm not saying they should do it, just that it's worth making the call.

I hear you, Cool. It would be a close call for me. I was just making the case against the deal you suggested. But I could see myself making the deal if I were the Bucks' PBO. If I were the Pelicans, I'd take the deal with the Lakers.

Sorry Cool but I don't think that Bucks package is gonna get it done if the Lakers are basically offering everything.

I agree with you Monster, it's not as much as the Lakers package if they are going to give up everything. But the Bucks package includes an all star whereas the Lakers does not. If the Bucks added Brogdon, in my opinion that's two all star level players. I mean there is a reason Milwaukee is 39-13. They have a lot of good assets that no one knows about. But I bet the Pelicans do.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Just got done watching the Bucks butcher, and i mean butcher the nets in Brooklyn. Since AD has listed the Bucks as someone he would sign with long term, they at least have to try. I'd offer Middleton, DJ Wilson, Thon Maker, Divencenzo, and Sterling Brown. And then take on a bad contract and add a couple #1 picks. Giannis / Davis / Brogdon / Bledsoe / Lopez = Eastern Conference Champions

Then again, the Bucks are leading the East with what they have with supporting depth and draft picks for the future. Middleton is a floor stretcher and ball-handler to complement Giannis. Then there's the issue of AD's durability or lack thereof. I don't know. Maybe the Bucks should take a pass.

Well they are good, no doubt. But if you've got Giannis and Davis you are almost certain to contend for the next 5 years regardless who you line up next to them. And of course those two would also act as a magnet for another star. I'm not saying they should do it, just that it's worth making the call.

I hear you, Cool. It would be a close call for me. I was just making the case against the deal you suggested. But I could see myself making the deal if I were the Bucks' PBO. If I were the Pelicans, I'd take the deal with the Lakers.

Sorry Cool but I don't think that Bucks package is gonna get it done if the Lakers are basically offering everything.

I agree with you Monster, it's not as much as the Lakers package if they are going to give up everything. But the Bucks package includes an all star whereas the Lakers does not. If the Bucks added Brogdon, in my opinion that's two all star level players. I mean there is a reason Milwaukee is 39-13. They have a lot of good assets that no one knows about. But I bet the Pelicans do.

Adding Brogdon would make that a much more intruiging package. You watch the Bucks a lot more than most people so you both have a better idea of what some of those other young players have and also probably have a bit of a inflated value of them. Just to be clear I'm not knocking that last part just acknowledging that's there. On the other hand you have the Lakers kids who are always in the spotlight so they are both widely overvalued and derided as well. There was some god tweets about this yesterday about what kind of value they would have if they were playing for say Charlotte. Plus they are in sort of a weird position this year getting and having to play with and without Lebron while figuring out their game. What is their true value? How much does Lavar Ball shooting his mouth off make you a little more hesitant to acquire Lonzo? Lonzo actually seems to fit what they want to do there which is get up and down the floor. I see him as a guy that could be a nice piece for a team. Maybe not a huge one but a young Rubio even with his flaws wouldn't be a bad guy to have on a roster. I think Lonzo can bring more.

This whole situation is just gonna be a huge news thing until it gets figured out. The Bucks being on the list is a pretty interesting piece of news. Is Boston really out of the running? I doubt it. Do the Pels really hate the Lakers and don't want to make a deal? Yes and no...blow us away Magic. Lol To me if any of these Reports are true that the Lakers are willing to give up Ingram and Kuzma plus some other stuff...the Pels could come out very good at the end of this because they will be getting a ton for AD and they might not suck after it happens. It will be interesting to see what they do with the other players on their team like Mirotic or Randle. I wonder if the Bucks (total speculation without researching the possibility) would go after Mirotic. Imagine adding another bigtime shooting big to the mix there. Pels have some nice players.

John Wall ruptured Achilles... falling down at home.



That's a bad SUPER MAX contract. Conley's and Westbrook's are both Super Max deals, too right?

And I know Curry signed one, too. Obviously, that one is working out just fine. But overall... it's not a stellar track record of success.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:John Wall ruptured Achilles... falling down at home.



That's a bad SUPER MAX contract. Conley's and Westbrook's are both Super Max deals, too right?

And I know Curry signed one, too. Obviously, that one is working out just fine. But overall... it's not a stellar track record of success.

Yeah it's crazy to think that those contracts were supposed to benefit smaller market teams but it seems that none of those contracts outside of Curry are going to be beneficial for the franchises that signed them. (Griffen was one too correct?)

thedoper wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:John Wall ruptured Achilles... falling down at home.



That's a bad SUPER MAX contract. Conley's and Westbrook's are both Super Max deals, too right?

And I know Curry signed one, too. Obviously, that one is working out just fine. But overall... it's not a stellar track record of success.

Yeah it's crazy to think that those contracts were supposed to benefit smaller market teams but it seems that none of those contracts outside of Curry are going to be beneficial for the franchises that signed them. (Griffen was one too correct?)

Not sure on Griffin. But yeah... that whole ordeal is pretty cringeworthy. I don't know if anything will ever top what the Celtics did to Isaiah Thomas... but the Clippers were pretty cold-blooded with Blake Griffin last summer/fall.

Remember Davis played with Boogie and they couldn't find team success. Somehow the Bucks are gonna give up everyone and the janitor and expect two big men to win games in a perimeter oriented league. It's not a perfect comparison but the point remains. Instead of trading with the Pelicans the Bucks should be learning from their mistakes.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

Not sure on Griffin. But yeah... that whole ordeal is pretty cringeworthy. I don't know if anything will ever top what the Celtics did to Isaiah Thomas... but the Clippers were pretty cold-blooded with Blake Griffin last summer/fall.

What did Boston do to Thomas??

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:Just got done watching the Bucks butcher, and i mean butcher the nets in Brooklyn. Since AD has listed the Bucks as someone he would sign with long term, they at least have to try. I'd offer Middleton, DJ Wilson, Thon Maker, Divencenzo, and Sterling Brown. And then take on a bad contract and add a couple #1 picks. Giannis / Davis / Brogdon / Bledsoe / Lopez = Eastern Conference Champions

Then again, the Bucks are leading the East with what they have with supporting depth and draft picks for the future. Middleton is a floor stretcher and ball-handler to complement Giannis. Then there's the issue of AD's durability or lack thereof. I don't know. Maybe the Bucks should take a pass.

Well they are good, no doubt. But if you've got Giannis and Davis you are almost certain to contend for the next 5 years regardless who you line up next to them. And of course those two would also act as a magnet for another star. I'm not saying they should do it, just that it's worth making the call.

I hear you, Cool. It would be a close call for me. I was just making the case against the deal you suggested. But I could see myself making the deal if I were the Bucks' PBO. If I were the Pelicans, I'd take the deal with the Lakers.

Sorry Cool but I don't think that Bucks package is gonna get it done if the Lakers are basically offering everything.

I agree with you Monster, it's not as much as the Lakers package if they are going to give up everything. But the Bucks package includes an all star whereas the Lakers does not. If the Bucks added Brogdon, in my opinion that's two all star level players. I mean there is a reason Milwaukee is 39-13. They have a lot of good assets that no one knows about. But I bet the Pelicans do.

I was with you until you said Brogdon was an All-Star.