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Camden wrote:
TheSP wrote:
Camden wrote:When it comes to re-signing players or even signing free agents, I'm now on the side that thinks that isn't as big of an issue as it once was in Minnesota. Call it the Jimmy Butler effect. I think he's well-respected throughout the entire league, he's played with and against the top talent in the league on Team USA, we've seen how that can create good relationships, and overall Jimmy's just an awesome guy on and off the court. I think he's an attractive piece for more reasons than just his individual game.


Don't you think Thibs is offsetting that positive influence? Unless you're signed to be one of the top 8 you won't play often, and if you are you'll play virtually the entire game.


I don't. I still believe that Thibodeau is an elite coach in this league and that has value in itself. I also think players would tend to like having their head coach also be the decision maker in terms of management. One less relationship they have to worry about.


I think it works both ways.

Sure, some might dig it. Others might dig having another option to go to when things don't go well with the coach.

For example, Crawford seems to have thought he'd be getting more run after sitting down with Thibodeau the GM. Now that Thibodeau the coach is playing him near career-low minutes... where can he turn?
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Camden wrote:When it comes to re-signing players or even signing free agents, I'm now on the side that thinks that isn't as big of an issue as it once was in Minnesota. Call it the Jimmy Butler effect. I think he's well-respected throughout the entire league, he's played with and against the top talent in the league on Team USA, we've seen how that can create good relationships, and overall Jimmy's just an awesome guy on and off the court. I think he's an attractive piece for more reasons than just his individual game.


I agree. It's still a bit worrisome to have a bunch of really worthwhile players all having team options at the same time. Heck its not an ironclad guantee that Butler is going to resign here. I absolutely think he will but its not absolutely certain.
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Camden wrote:There was a handful of guys I would have been just fine with at our draft spot -- Justin Patton and John Collins being two of them. I liked both of them and would have been happy either way.

I see Patton as the Clint Capela type big man. Nothing too special, but damn good in his role. Highly efficient on offense despite having a somewhat limited skill set. Relies on length and fluidity for a big. Very versatile defender. It remains to be seen if Patton can get to the level Capela's at right now, but I think that's the vision with him. He needs to get stronger, stay healthy obviously, and stay in his lane. I like his chances, personally.


He probably has better offensive upside than Capela in terms of post moves and passing, but defensively....oof....I'm just not sure. I think one of the hardest things to project in a young big man is his long term defensive potential....So, so hard to figure out if they will eventually learn all the nuances and techniques of proper positioning.


I like the Capela comp because I think they move really similar. The difference in their ability offensively is as you alluded to is possibly significant with Patton's ability to shoot and even handle the ball some. Capela played in 12 games his rookie year for a total of 90 minutes. He progressed and is still only 23 and while putting up crazy good numbers still plays bench level minutes which I don't quite get. What amount will Patton progress? Only time will tell.
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Chicago wins their 6th straight; Dunn leading the way with 22 points. I'm not sure I've seen a team that started off so poorly over quite a long stretch reel off six straight like this. It would almost be like Philly or Brooklyn winning six straight a couple years ago. Just totally unexpected.
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This board was very hard on Dunn last year, so was Tibs. He's a player. Ingram has really improved. He so much stronger with the ball. He's gonna be a stud. I honestly doubt Wiggins would make my top 30 players under 23 or 23, however old he is. Worhless player.
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AbeVigodaLive wrote:
Camden wrote:
TheSP wrote:
Camden wrote:When it comes to re-signing players or even signing free agents, I'm now on the side that thinks that isn't as big of an issue as it once was in Minnesota. Call it the Jimmy Butler effect. I think he's well-respected throughout the entire league,
Q12543 wrote:Chicago wins their 6th straight; Dunn leading the way with 22 points. I'm not sure I've seen a team that started off so poorly over quite a long stretch reel off six straight like this. It would almost be like Philly or Brooklyn winning six straight a couple years ago. Just totally unexpected.


Mirotic has been really good and Portis was out for a number of games early too. But MIrotic has put up some really good numbers since returning. Tonight he put up a 22-13 stat line in 26 mins...off the bench. Portis had 12-10 in 22 mins. Jerian Grant has a pretty solid stat line this year. No disrespect the the 76ers because they still have a good ream but they aren't quite the same team without Embiid. Obviously a 6 game streak is nothing to sneeze at. No teams this year (assuming no catastrophic injuries) is a pushover this year.
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Q12543 wrote:Chicago wins their 6th straight; Dunn leading the way with 22 points. I'm not sure I've seen a team that started off so poorly over quite a long stretch reel off six straight like this. It would almost be like Philly or Brooklyn winning six straight a couple years ago. Just totally unexpected.


They're so terrible yet they've done something we haven't done in what, 13 years? Super depressing.
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Camden0916 wrote:
TheSP wrote:
Camden wrote:When it comes to re-signing players or even signing free agents, I'm now on the side that thinks that isn't as big of an issue as it once was in Minnesota. Call it the Jimmy Butler effect. I think he's well-respected throughout the entire league, he's played with and against the top talent in the league on Team USA, we've seen how that can create good relationships, and overall Jimmy's just an awesome guy on and off the court. I think he's an attractive piece for more reasons than just his individual game.


Don't you think Thibs is offsetting that positive influence? Unless you're signed to be one of the top 8 you won't play often, and if you are you'll play virtually the entire game.


I don't. I still believe that Thibodeau is an elite coach in this league and that has value in itself. I also think players would tend to like having their head coach also be the decision maker in terms of management. One less relationship they have to worry about.

Also, Thibs would gladly play his bench more if he had legitimate options. Crawford, Muhammad, George-Hunt, Aldrich. Those aren't guys you want playing 20 MPG anyway. Jones deserves some more minutes, and Bjelica has nights where he should get more run, sure, but besides them, the cupboard isn't full. We need to make a couple more moves.

Last summer, however, Thibs did seem to sure up the starting lineup. That unit has been just fine, collectively.


What about Thibs makes you believe he is an elite coach? His highlights are being an assistant for the Celtics with the first "formed" big three with a defensive game changer in KG - also why Doc gets any credit as a decent coach.

Then he has the Bulls with anothet stalwart paint defender in Noah, a true top talent in Rose (unfortunate injury luck), a grinder in Butler, and great complimentary players in Gibson, Deng, Hinrich, dunleavy.

None of these players were his choosing, and he wore on those bulls players after a few years.

Any coach is bringing that team deep into the playoffs in the east at that time. Thibs rode the train, he didn't get over any humps.

He may love the game and spend more time than anyone else in the office, but his lack of flexibility kills improvement possibilities.

The other end is " he would play the bench if he trusted them". The guy created this bench. He has nobody else to point the finger at..

What's more is that he chose to create a 2 pt iso offensive team when the league is turning to a spread offense with one big man holding down the middle. Trading LaVine ( our only true 3 pt threat - Belly is always hurt) was straight stupid. It also killed our depth/capital.

We actually have the perfect C for this league. Yet Thibs continues to run offense outside - outside with iffy shooters.

KAT should be fed the ball all the time in the fourth - no exceptions. I'll take him one on one on offense inside every damn play. Then when they double or triple, you have him surrounded with shooters at the 3 or cutters. Its too obvious.
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TheFuture wrote:
Camden0916 wrote:
TheSP wrote:
Camden wrote:When it comes to re-signing players or even signing free agents, I'm now on the side that thinks that isn't as big of an issue as it once was in Minnesota. Call it the Jimmy Butler effect. I think he's well-respected throughout the entire league, he's played with and against the top talent in the league on Team USA, we've seen how that can create good relationships, and overall Jimmy's just an awesome guy on and off the court. I think he's an attractive piece for more reasons than just his individual game.


Don't you think Thibs is offsetting that positive influence? Unless you're signed to be one of the top 8 you won't play often, and if you are you'll play virtually the entire game.


I don't. I still believe that Thibodeau is an elite coach in this league and that has value in itself. I also think players would tend to like having their head coach also be the decision maker in terms of management. One less relationship they have to worry about.

Also, Thibs would gladly play his bench more if he had legitimate options. Crawford, Muhammad, George-Hunt, Aldrich. Those aren't guys you want playing 20 MPG anyway. Jones deserves some more minutes, and Bjelica has nights where he should get more run, sure, but besides them, the cupboard isn't full. We need to make a couple more moves.

Last summer, however, Thibs did seem to sure up the starting lineup. That unit has been just fine, collectively.


What about Thibs makes you believe he is an elite coach? His highlights are being an assistant for the Celtics with the first "formed" big three with a defensive game changer in KG - also why Doc gets any credit as a decent coach.

Then he has the Bulls with anothet stalwart paint defender in Noah, a true top talent in Rose (unfortunate injury luck), a grinder in Butler, and great complimentary players in Gibson, Deng, Hinrich, dunleavy.

None of these players were his choosing, and he wore on those bulls players after a few years.

Any coach is bringing that team deep into the playoffs in the east at that time. Thibs rode the train, he didn't get over any humps.

He may love the game and spend more time than anyone else in the office, but his lack of flexibility kills improvement possibilities.

The other end is " he would play the bench if he trusted them". The guy created this bench. He has nobody else to point the finger at..


Not saying thibs is the greatest coach ever but he took a young team in his Bulls and made them into to 2nd best team in the east for a stretch of time.

Rose, taj, noah, ask all on there rookie deals when Thibs for there. Butler was not even there yet and it is hard to say dies thibs get a lot credit for developing butler who he is today. Made boozer into a respectable defender. Got things of journeyman point guards in robinson, Augustin and brooks.

He was credit for the defensive genius in Boston. And Kerr was quoted in a recent BS podcast that Thibs was the mastermind on how defensive schemes are played throughout the NBA today.

Has he been good for the wolves hard to say. Do I enjoy watching them, they are a grind to watch and there are some red flags but we are the 4 seed currently. Off to the 3rd best start in franchise history.

Even though they are not fun to watch we are winning games and the best team in the none contenders category.
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Q12543 wrote:Chicago wins their 6th straight; Dunn leading the way with 22 points. I'm not sure I've seen a team that started off so poorly over quite a long stretch reel off six straight like this. It would almost be like Philly or Brooklyn winning six straight a couple years ago. Just totally unexpected.



Let's not forget Miami last season.

10 - 31... and then they won 13 straight games.
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