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I'd be interested to hear how people compare/value Monk vs Jamal Murray. I haven't got a good feel for Monk I wasn't paying attention to him when I was watching UK Games and I had seen a lot more of Murray last year.
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monsterpile wrote:I'd be interested to hear how people compare/value Monk vs Jamal Murray. I haven't got a good feel for Monk I wasn't paying attention to him when I was watching UK Games and I had seen a lot more of Murray last year.


The ringer nba show podcast just talked about Monk. Said he is a very good athlete and can shoot but besides that can't do that much. They said his best case nba comp was Lou Williams and Zach LaVine. Worried about his size though because he has point gaurd size but didn't have to show those skills at Kentucky.

One guy said he would not draft him high because you can find just as good of shooters later in the draft. And if Monk isn't going to get 10+ shots a game or not a top 3 option on offense is he really valuable because he dosen't do much else (they said this on the context of the 76ers drafting him)
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monsterpile wrote:I'd be interested to hear how people compare/value Monk vs Jamal Murray. I haven't got a good feel for Monk I wasn't paying attention to him when I was watching UK Games and I had seen a lot more of Murray last year.


I think Murray is a better prospect. Better shooter and creator. The drawback with Murray was his athleticism. With Monk it's his size. He's probably gonna need to pull a Steph and learn how to play PG if he's gonna be a successful starter in the league.
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I'm curious for those who are really high on Issac what they would see his ideal role next year on the team? I'd be extremely worried if the plan was to give him more than 20mins/game as the back up 4. I can see him molding into a player with the right environment but it seems like it would be a slog to watch him learn the NBA 4 with where he is at on both sides of the ball right now. I hope and pray we can find a serviceable option at the 4 this offeseason otherwise I fear we are in for another challenging year without that compliment to take some pressure of KAT especially on the defensive side of the ball. We got to put some real money to that role one way or another.
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thedoper wrote:I'm curious for those who are really high on Issac what they would see his ideal role next year on the team? I'd be extremely worried if the plan was to give him more than 20mins/game as the back up 4. I can see him molding into a player with the right environment but it seems like it would be a slog to watch him learn the NBA 4 with where he is at on both sides of the ball right now. I hope and pray we can find a serviceable option at the 4 this offeseason otherwise I fear we are in for another challenging year without that compliment to take some pressure of KAT especially on the defensive side of the ball. We got to put some real money to that role one way or another.


Personally I think people will be surprised how Isaac will be able to be somewhat productive in limited minutes. No I wouldnt expect him to play more than 20mpg either. Regardless I'm not picking the guy for what he came do this year I am picking him for what he is likely going to be able to do a year or 2 down the road and his fit with this team. If Thibs and Layden can't find at worst some combo forward in FA that can help us at least as a rotational guy...man they suck. I'd guess they sign someone that will help regardless of how much Isaac can or can't help this season.
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thedoper wrote:I'm curious for those who are really high on Issac what they would see his ideal role next year on the team? I'd be extremely worried if the plan was to give him more than 20mins/game as the back up 4. I can see him molding into a player with the right environment but it seems like it would be a slog to watch him learn the NBA 4 with where he is at on both sides of the ball right now. I hope and pray we can find a serviceable option at the 4 this offeseason otherwise I fear we are in for another challenging year without that compliment to take some pressure of KAT especially on the defensive side of the ball. We got to put some real money to that role one way or another.

hopefully he doesn't have much of a role on this team next season (and I say that about any rookie they draft)
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WildWolf2813 wrote:
thedoper wrote:I'm curious for those who are really high on Issac what they would see his ideal role next year on the team? I'd be extremely worried if the plan was to give him more than 20mins/game as the back up 4. I can see him molding into a player with the right environment but it seems like it would be a slog to watch him learn the NBA 4 with where he is at on both sides of the ball right now. I hope and pray we can find a serviceable option at the 4 this offeseason otherwise I fear we are in for another challenging year without that compliment to take some pressure of KAT especially on the defensive side of the ball. We got to put some real money to that role one way or another.

hopefully he doesn't have much of a role on this team next season (and I say that about any rookie they draft)


I hear you there. It seems like every year the pool of players is more raw than the previous. KAT and Wiggins were both to have elite defensive potential that is yet to materialize. This offseason is really huge for us more in our culture than anything it seems like.
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thedoper wrote:I'm curious for those who are really high on Issac what they would see his ideal role next year on the team? I'd be extremely worried if the plan was to give him more than 20mins/game as the back up 4. I can see him molding into a player with the right environment but it seems like it would be a slog to watch him learn the NBA 4 with where he is at on both sides of the ball right now. I hope and pray we can find a serviceable option at the 4 this offeseason otherwise I fear we are in for another challenging year without that compliment to take some pressure of KAT especially on the defensive side of the ball. We got to put some real money to that role one way or another.


He's be backing up Wiggins at the 3 and playing spot minutes at the 4 when the opposing team goes small. He'd basically be replacing Bazz so 20 minutes a night is probably the most he'd see without an injury.
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kekgeek1 wrote:
monsterpile wrote:I'd be interested to hear how people compare/value Monk vs Jamal Murray. I haven't got a good feel for Monk I wasn't paying attention to him when I was watching UK Games and I had seen a lot more of Murray last year.


The ringer nba show podcast just talked about Monk. Said he is a very good athlete and can shoot but besides that can't do that much. They said his best case nba comp was Lou Williams and Zach LaVine. Worried about his size though because he has point gaurd size but didn't have to show those skills at Kentucky.

One guy said he would not draft him high because you can find just as good of shooters later in the draft. And if Monk isn't going to get 10+ shots a game or not a top 3 option on offense is he really valuable because he dosen't do much else (they said this on the context of the 76ers drafting him)


That would be my take on Monk from the times I've seen him, including both games and highlight videos. He's not a particularly good ballhandler for a guard. He'll get on highlight reels on the receiving end of alleyoops. He can possibly be a volume scorer with a decent 3-point shot in the NBA, but as a 39% shooter at the college level he's not elite in that area. I think Zach is a better perimeter shooter and faster with the ball than Monk. As I've mentioned before, I'd be very surprised if Monk ended up getting picked in the top 6. I think he'll end up going in the 10-15 range.
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thedoper wrote:I'm curious for those who are really high on Issac what they would see his ideal role next year on the team? I'd be extremely worried if the plan was to give him more than 20mins/game as the back up 4. I can see him molding into a player with the right environment but it seems like it would be a slog to watch him learn the NBA 4 with where he is at on both sides of the ball right now. I hope and pray we can find a serviceable option at the 4 this offeseason otherwise I fear we are in for another challenging year without that compliment to take some pressure of KAT especially on the defensive side of the ball. We got to put some real money to that role one way or another.


I see him as a SF both short term and long term. In the short term, I see him as a 15 minute per game sub off the bench. Longer term I see him as a major part of our wing rotation with Wiggins and LaVine. I disagree with the pundits who have him slated long term as a PF. He has a guard's skill set having been a guard in high school before a late growth changed his position. He has the length of an NBA PF. He'll eventually have the width/strength of an NBA SF. Add to that a SG's skills and you have the makings of a potentially very good maybe allstar caliber NBA SF in a few years.
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