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Re: Trade season

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60WinTim wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 1:44 pm I'm pretty skeptical on the Wolves making any trades. There are just too many "buyers" and not enough "sellers" on the market. The Hornets are on an absolute roll -- why would the trade Sexton?!? And the handful of guys that might be available will have lots of suiters. One of the few things that fall in TC's favor is if some GM has a hankering for Dilly...

I think the Wolves are more likely to look towards the buyout market.
I think if the Wolves don't make a trade, it means there was no interest in Rob and Lenny (or Mike if necessary) which is entirely plausible.

What is Jarrett Culver up to? Dominating the Japanese league? Maybe he is ready to come home and be the next NAW.
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Here's another factor for TC to consider in any trade. The Wolves have 10 players under contract for next season and will be roughly 12 mil below the 2nd apron. That's 12 mil to spend on 4 players. If you figure spending the vet mil on 3 of those players, that leaves something like 7 mil to spend on that player you hope can be part of the rotation.

So, any trade that brings back a player with money beyond this year, or that you hope to re-sign this offseason needs to fit into that 7 mil limit. Of course, if you use Dilly in a trade, that adds another 7 mil to your space below the 2nd apron because Dilly's 7 mil will not longer be there next year.

It's all part of the complexities of building this roster, and a reason I've wondered if trading one of the core 6 players might be on the table...
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Re: Trade season

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AussieWolf3 wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 2:25 pm
FNG wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 1:55 pm
60WinTim wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 1:44 pm I'm pretty skeptical on the Wolves making any trades. There are just too many "buyers" and not enough "sellers" on the market. The Hornets are on an absolute roll -- why would the trade Sexton?!? And the handful of guys that might be available will have lots of suiters. One of the few things that fall in TC's favor is if some GM has a hankering for Dilly...

I think the Wolves are more likely to look towards the buyout market.
Yeah, I agree. And the Hornets helped us out today by beating the Spurs...they and the Clippers are the two hottest teams in the Association! Sexton's game today was exactly why a lot of teams would covet him but why I wouldn't want him. He scored 21 points on only 8 shots (!), but still was a -4 in a 5 point win. I don't think he does enough to help his team win. But yeah, they are hot and gunning for a playoff spot, so I don't see them trading Sexton.
That's too much of an assumption from single plus/minus.

There could be a lot of reason that the team scored 4 less point with him on the floor that was not a product of poor play on his part
He's a -.3 Net Rating on the season (or -2.1 depending on the source...one is NBA.com and the latter is Basketball-Reference). That's not bad on a team that is 21-28.

Sexton is one of these guys that has always had a fairly poor net rating but he's always played for some really bad teams. How would he look like with Naz, Clark, and two other non-Ant starters on the floor when Ant is on the bench?? That's the question Connelly has to think about when it comes to the one-way offensive guards that he might be able to trade for. Is Sexton really a worse defender than Bones? Is Coby White a worse defender than Bones?
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I wasn't sure where to post this, but I just saw that Juzang only has 4 more games he can be active . I guess I never thought about it, but all these games where he did not play, but was active on the bench, counted towards the limit of games he could be on the bench.

A couple of reasons this is interesting: #1 - the trade deadline is upcoming. I'm not sure if his contract in anyway can be utilized in a trade? I'm not sure what the possibilities are there? Convert and trade?

And #2 - Juzang is rather useless if he can no longer be active on the bench. It sure seems like he will be released as a 2-way player and TC can sign someone else to a 2-way contract.
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FNG wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 10:54 am WF, if you think that scoring is what this team needs, then Coby White might be your guy. But when you already have two elite scorers in Ant and Ju, plus three guys in Jaden, Donte and Naz capable of getting you 20 on any night, I don't think scoring is what we need. And I don't want him taking shots away from our two best scorers.

I agree that we could use someone who can facilitate and doesn't turn the ball over, especially at the end of games. But that ain't Coby. His assist to turnover ratio is a paltry 1.6. Compare that to some of other point guards: Mike (4.8), Bones (2.8), Donte (2.8). Heck, even Rob is slightly better. And then there is Coby's defense...statmuse has him at a disastrous 120.2 this season. Compare that to our guys: Mike (115.7), Bones (114) and Donte (112.9). Some of us have noticed Donte's defense this year, and 112.9 matches the eye test. Coby's stat also matches the eye test.

So the question is: how much are we willing to give up for a guy who is a good scorer (albeit not as efficient as several players on our roster), but turns the ball over and doesn't play defense...and is due for a payday next year? I agree that he seems to be the most likely trade candidate for us (although Chicago is in the playoffs and he is their high scorer), but I will not be happy if we trade for him. Further, will Coby be happy? NBA players don't generally like going from top scorer on a team to becoming a 3rd, 4th or even 5th option.
I agree with Q's response but I'll also add that life would be easier for a Coby White or Sexton playing with Ju and Ant in our offense. They take a lot of the teams best defenders and/or doubles and that just leaves everything either open or more open with weaker defenders on them. As far as the defensive stats a lot of that is a team thing as well. Playing with Rudy and other elite defenders is also much easier.

I think whatever PG is playing on our squad has the best chance to be successful on both ends. I think you'd see the best version of name your PG trade target on our squad.
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AussieWolf3 wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 2:25 pm
FNG wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 1:55 pm
60WinTim wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 1:44 pm I'm pretty skeptical on the Wolves making any trades. There are just too many "buyers" and not enough "sellers" on the market. The Hornets are on an absolute roll -- why would the trade Sexton?!? And the handful of guys that might be available will have lots of suiters. One of the few things that fall in TC's favor is if some GM has a hankering for Dilly...

I think the Wolves are more likely to look towards the buyout market.
Yeah, I agree. And the Hornets helped us out today by beating the Spurs...they and the Clippers are the two hottest teams in the Association! Sexton's game today was exactly why a lot of teams would covet him but why I wouldn't want him. He scored 21 points on only 8 shots (!), but still was a -4 in a 5 point win. I don't think he does enough to help his team win. But yeah, they are hot and gunning for a playoff spot, so I don't see them trading Sexton.
That's too much of an assumption from single plus/minus.

There could be a lot of reason that the team scored 4 less point with him on the floor that was not a product of poor play on his part
Oh, I agree. But it seems to happen so much with him...I've never viewed him as a winning player. Take a look at some of his deep analytics...his total VORP for 8 years is only 2.5. The rest of your game has to be dreadful if you've averaged almost 23 points per 36 your whole career but have such a crappy VORP, and if you watch him on defense, you can see why. Donte over the same 8 years is close to 10. I don't think the Hornets are going to move him when everything is going well for them right now, and that's a relief for me.
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Q-is-here wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 2:51 pm
AussieWolf3 wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 2:25 pm
FNG wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 1:55 pm

Yeah, I agree. And the Hornets helped us out today by beating the Spurs...they and the Clippers are the two hottest teams in the Association! Sexton's game today was exactly why a lot of teams would covet him but why I wouldn't want him. He scored 21 points on only 8 shots (!), but still was a -4 in a 5 point win. I don't think he does enough to help his team win. But yeah, they are hot and gunning for a playoff spot, so I don't see them trading Sexton.
That's too much of an assumption from single plus/minus.

There could be a lot of reason that the team scored 4 less point with him on the floor that was not a product of poor play on his part
He's a -.3 Net Rating on the season (or -2.1 depending on the source...one is NBA.com and the latter is Basketball-Reference). That's not bad on a team that is 21-28.

Sexton is one of these guys that has always had a fairly poor net rating but he's always played for some really bad teams. How would he look like with Naz, Clark, and two other non-Ant starters on the floor when Ant is on the bench?? That's the question Connelly has to think about when it comes to the one-way offensive guards that he might be able to trade for. Is Sexton really a worse defender than Bones? Is Coby White a worse defender than Bones?
My eye test and defensive rating at StatMuse says yes...both White and Sexton are worse defenders than Bones.
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Sexton is super underrated. I would really like him. Like has been stated, he has been on really bad teams. He consistently shoots it at 48 percent from the field for the last 4 years. I think that would be better with Ant taking the attention away from him. One of the most competetitive high motor guys that you will find. He's the guy we need.

Coby on the other hand. When you look at team message boards and I see fans that are excited to trade him that doesn't sit well with me. Fans are usually a pretty good judge of if that player contributes to winning or not.
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FNG wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 3:34 pm
Q-is-here wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 2:51 pm
AussieWolf3 wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 2:25 pm

That's too much of an assumption from single plus/minus.

There could be a lot of reason that the team scored 4 less point with him on the floor that was not a product of poor play on his part
He's a -.3 Net Rating on the season (or -2.1 depending on the source...one is NBA.com and the latter is Basketball-Reference). That's not bad on a team that is 21-28.

Sexton is one of these guys that has always had a fairly poor net rating but he's always played for some really bad teams. How would he look like with Naz, Clark, and two other non-Ant starters on the floor when Ant is on the bench?? That's the question Connelly has to think about when it comes to the one-way offensive guards that he might be able to trade for. Is Sexton really a worse defender than Bones? Is Coby White a worse defender than Bones?
My eye test and defensive rating at StatMuse says yes...both White and Sexton are worse defenders than Bones.
The StatMuse and any Def rating type of info out there is going to be obfuscated by team mates. Elite defenders like Rudy or Caruso will always do well in those stats since they are so good defensively that they lift everyone else's rating, but everyone else is just as much impacted by team mates as their own effectiveness.

KAT is a great example of a "before-during-after" affect of team mates on defensive rating. Look at his defensive rating before playing with Rudy, during his time with Rudy, and after playing with Rudy.

While I don't disagree that Coby and Colin aren't great (or even good) defenders, you have to compare each of them to Bones if they were in his shoes right now with the same team mates, coaching staff, and culture. I don't think you are putting enough weight on those other factors, not to mention the other end of the court.
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FNG wrote: Sat Jan 31, 2026 10:54 am WF, if you think that scoring is what this team needs, then Coby White might be your guy. But when you already have two elite scorers in Ant and Ju, plus three guys in Jaden, Donte and Naz capable of getting you 20 on any night, I don't think scoring is what we need. And I don't want him taking shots away from our two best scorers.

I agree that we could use someone who can facilitate and doesn't turn the ball over, especially at the end of games. But that ain't Coby. His assist to turnover ratio is a paltry 1.6. Compare that to some of other point guards: Mike (4.8), Bones (2.8), Donte (2.8). Heck, even Rob is slightly better. And then there is Coby's defense...statmuse has him at a disastrous 120.2 this season. Compare that to our guys: Mike (115.7), Bones (114) and Donte (112.9). Some of us have noticed Donte's defense this year, and 112.9 matches the eye test. Coby's stat also matches the eye test.

So the question is: how much are we willing to give up for a guy who is a good scorer (albeit not as efficient as several players on our roster), but turns the ball over and doesn't play defense...and is due for a payday next year? I agree that he seems to be the most likely trade candidate for us (although Chicago is in the playoffs and he is their high scorer), but I will not be happy if we trade for him. Further, will Coby be happy? NBA players don't generally like going from top scorer on a team to becoming a 3rd, 4th or even 5th option.
Even though i do not not want Coby, i am going to argue that his defensive rating on this team, would most likely be similar to Bones' on this squad vs the Bulls.
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