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kekgeek1 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

PorkChop wrote:Bobby Portis or TJ Warren anyone?

If we got these 2 and re-signed Prince I'd be very happy. Portis and Beverly would be a fun combo.

Would love either of these 2 for the MLE or even PJ Tucker on a 1 year deal. Warren worries me though with his injury history.

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Q-was-here wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

thedoper wrote:Beasley and ?? for John Collins.

John Collins was the guy I wanted the Wolves to draft when they drafted Justin Patton instead. And he's proven me right by putting up terrific numbers since coming got the NBA. Yet, I don't want the Wolves to pursue him. There must be issues with Collins we don't know about. The Hawks have been shopping him for several years now, in spite of numbers that suggest he should be a guy they build around. Something seems strange here and I'd look elsewhere for Wolves trade targets.

Yup, you absolutely called John Collins Lip. You were also all over the low hanging fruit of Portis and Hartenstein before others nabbed them and they turned out to be extremely productive rotation bigs on the cheap.

It is odd how Collins' star has fallen a bit.

Thanks for the recognition, Q. And that's for leaving out all my misses - like Anthony Edwards and LaMello Ball, etc. :)

So not I'm going to put my hard-earned credibility on the line and make a pitch for signing Jalen Smith. We all get excited over college prospects leading up to the NBA draft each year based on reviews, physical data, limited college video clips and college stats. It's worth recalling that Smith had the sort of college stats that we'd all get excited about. He averaged 10.5 rebounds and 2.4 blocks and 15.5 points per game. He hit 53.8% of his FG attempts and nearly 37% of his 3-point attempts, albeit on limited volume. He has the mobility of a PF, but has the length of an NBA center with a 7'2" standing reach.

Those college numbers are a good staring place for a guy who still hasn't had a lot of NBA experience to get a full measure of him as an NBA player. He's been in the League only two seasons and he averaged only 5.8 minutes his first season. Looking at his 2nd NBA season when he averaged 18 minutes per game, you see a stat line that's consistent with his impressive stats as a college sophomore. He averaged 6 rebounds, 0.8 blocks and 9.2 points in those 18 minutes per game last season. On a 36-minute equivalent basis, that's 12 rebounds, 1.6 blocks and 18.4 points. Importantly, Jalen's stats improved with more minutes later in the season after he was traded to Indiana. In his 24.7 minutes per game with the Pacers, he averaged 7.6 rebounds, 1.0 blocks and 13.4 points. And he hit 37.3% of his 3-point attempts on nearly 84 attempts in his 22 games there.

Watching video of him last season, you see a very mobile, fast and high-motor PF who can shoot and rebound. I don't think there's any question that the Wolves should pursue signing him as a free agent. The question is whether Indiana wants him back and how much it would cost to sign him. He made around $4 million last year. I have no sense of where his market value is right now. I'm sure it's more than $4 million per year. But does it go all the way up to $10.2M, which I believe to be the full MLE?

I was first on Hartenstein and Lip joined me on the bandwagon last year. Also I would also like nobody to bring up any of my misses! :) I really like Jalen Smith too. It going to be interesting to see what his market is.

Monster - Thanks for letting my on your Hartenstein bandwagon last year. And welcome to my Jalen Smith bandwagons this year. :)

I'll give you credit for banging harder on the Jalen Smith drum than me but I think we were both honing in on him at around the seem time and there was at least another poster on this board that has been in him him too regardless of us.

I think you have been more willing to be optimistic about adding various guys to the roster than me. I'm usually optimistic but when it comes to FA I tend to I guess take the field on that. :) I will be quite happy if we get either Smith or Hartenstein this summer.

WildWolf2813 wrote:

KiwiMatt wrote:I still like the idea of acquiring Jonathan Isaac. Yes there are questions on his health, but he could be a good 'buy low' acquisition. With a glut of big men and point guards Orlando really need some depth and shooting at the wing position.

Maybe Malik Beasley and a future 2nd (or two) might be enough to get a deal done?

The other issue with Isaac is that he's a polarizing guy in the locker room.

D-Loser wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

PorkChop wrote:Bobby Portis or TJ Warren anyone?

If we got these 2 and re-signed Prince I'd be very happy. Portis and Beverly would be a fun combo.

Would love either of these 2 for the MLE or even PJ Tucker on a 1 year deal. Warren worries me though with his injury history.

I got shot down pretty hard for suggesting portis would be my #1 target a couple weeks ago... something about not realistic blah blah. Just shows it matters more who's saying it than what's being said :)

D-Loser wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:

KiwiMatt wrote:I still like the idea of acquiring Jonathan Isaac. Yes there are questions on his health, but he could be a good 'buy low' acquisition. With a glut of big men and point guards Orlando really need some depth and shooting at the wing position.

Maybe Malik Beasley and a future 2nd (or two) might be enough to get a deal done?

The other issue with Isaac is that he's a polarizing guy in the locker room.

If towns and these other clowns can pull all their liberal snowflake bs, why can't Isaac speak up about his conservative views? I'm tired of this double standard.

monsterpile wrote:

D-Loser wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:

KiwiMatt wrote:I still like the idea of acquiring Jonathan Isaac. Yes there are questions on his health, but he could be a good 'buy low' acquisition. With a glut of big men and point guards Orlando really need some depth and shooting at the wing position.

Maybe Malik Beasley and a future 2nd (or two) might be enough to get a deal done?

The other issue with Isaac is that he's a polarizing guy in the locker room.

If towns and these other clowns can pull all their liberal snowflake bs, why can't Isaac speak up about his conservative views? I'm tired of this double standard.

FWIW and I don't honestly care that much but I have not heard about anything Isaac having issues in the locker room. I may disagree with some of his stances but he has also seemed respectful stating his thoughts. Maybe that changed since I last paid attention but he also wasn't playing either so maybe nobody was really asking him.

kekgeek1 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

D-Loser wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:

KiwiMatt wrote:I still like the idea of acquiring Jonathan Isaac. Yes there are questions on his health, but he could be a good 'buy low' acquisition. With a glut of big men and point guards Orlando really need some depth and shooting at the wing position.

Maybe Malik Beasley and a future 2nd (or two) might be enough to get a deal done?

The other issue with Isaac is that he's a polarizing guy in the locker room.

If towns and these other clowns can pull all their liberal snowflake bs, why can't Isaac speak up about his conservative views? I'm tired of this double standard.

FWIW and I don't honestly care that much but I have not heard about anything Isaac having issues in the locker room. I may disagree with some of his stances but he has also seemed respectful stating his thoughts. Maybe that changed since I last paid attention but he also wasn't playing either so maybe nobody was really asking him.

I think Isaac has done a great job articulating his views on subjects even though I personally disagree with them. He is in his right. I think the thing that it comes down to is how much Kat cares about this stuff. Right or wrong Kat is sort of the NBA poster boy when it comes to Covid and vaccines. Can Isaac and Kat coexist, none of us no that. In terms of basketball I love Isaac game

lipoli390 wrote:Portis was the guy I wanted the Wolves to sign when Rosas instead decided to re-sign Juancho. Portis would be a great fit for the Wolves and, at the time, he was definitely gettable. But I don't see him signing with the Wolves now. I suspect he'll stay in Milwaukee. He loves it there and they love him. They have his Bird rights, so they're not limited on what they can pay him. So the Portis ship has sailed. If we're looking to add a big, here are what I'd consider the realistic options that might be worth pursuing:

1. Sign one of the following free agents: Jalen Smith, Hartenstein Montrezl Harrell, Andre Drummond or JaVale McGee

2. Trade Beasley and Naz (maybe with a future pick) for Myles Turner, Richaun Holmes, Steven Adams, or Jonathan Isaac.

3. Trade Naz Reid and maybe a 2nd-round pick for Alex Len

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:Portis was the guy I wanted the Wolves to sign when Rosas instead decided to re-sign Juancho. Portis would be a great fit for the Wolves and, at the time, he was definitely gettable. But I don't see him signing with the Wolves now. I suspect he'll stay in Milwaukee. He loves it there and they love him. They have his Bird rights, so they're not limited on what they can pay him. So the Portis ship has sailed. If we're looking to add a big, here are what I'd consider the realistic options that might be worth pursuing:

1. Sign one of the following free agents: Jalen Smith, Hartenstein Montrezl Harrell, Andre Drummond or JaVale McGee

2. Trade Beasley and Naz (maybe with a future pick) for Myles Turner, Richaun Holmes, Steven Adams, or Jonathan Isaac.

3. Trade Naz Reid and maybe a 2nd-round pick for Alex Len

FWIW Lawrence Frank's said their top priority was resigning their FAs. I would think to keep Hartenstein they would have to use an exception to do it.

If the Wolves want Alex Len they should be able to get him by just taking him in with a trade exception and sending the Kings the rights to Paulo Prestes or something. I can't imagine giving up anything of value to trade for Alex Len. I'm not saying he sucks but he isn't that much better than someone who will be available for the vet min. One guy I don't think anyone has mentioned in a while is Wille Cauley Stein.