2022 Off-Season Around the League

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Lip question for you and anyone else on this board. Let's say you could trade all three 2nd rounders for say #29 would you do it?

Firstly, it depends on who's available at 29 (or whatever) and who might end up being available roughly 11 picks later at 40. For example, let's say E.J. Liddell unexpectedly slides on draft night and he's sitting there at 29 on the top of my board. I'd be more inclined to make the trade.

Secondly, there's the added benefit of locking that first-rounder into a rookie scale, four-year deal versus negotiating with a second-round pick and potentially paying slightly more for said talent. It's not necessarily a deal-breaker, but it's absolutely something to consider.

Lastly, I like using Kevin Pelton's draft pick value chart as a baseline for trades of this type. The 29th pick, for instance, has a value of 690. The 40th pick has a value of 480. The 48th pick has a value of 380. And the 50th pick has a value of 350. We'd be sending 1,210 for 690 in numerical value. Teams generally have to overpay to move up in the draft, but that might be giving up too much.

For example, in 2015 the Timberwolves traded 31, 36, and their second-round pick in 2019 (40) to the Cavaliers for the 24th overall pick-- Tyus Jones. Minnesota sent approximately 1,630 (future draft picks typically have lower value due to the uncertainty of draft slot) for 930.

I think I'd rather have two or three dart throws in the second round, but it ultimately depends on the player you'd be trading up for. This may not answer your question, but I hope it provides some insight.

[Monster]

Lip question for you and anyone else on this board. Let's say you could trade all three 2nd rounders for say #29 would you do it?

Firstly, it depends on who's available at 29 (or whatever) and who might end up being available roughly 11 picks later at 40. For example, let's say E.J. Liddell unexpectedly slides on draft night and he's sitting there at 29 on the top of my board. I'd be more inclined to make the trade.

Secondly, there's the added benefit of locking that first-rounder into a rookie scale, four-year deal versus negotiating with a second-round pick and potentially paying slightly more for said talent. It's not necessarily a deal-breaker, but it's absolutely something to consider.

Lastly, I like using Kevin Pelton's draft pick value chart as a baseline for trades of this type. The 29th pick, for instance, has a value of 690. The 40th pick has a value of 480. The 48th pick has a value of 380. And the 50th pick has a value of 350. We'd be sending 1,210 for 690 in numerical value. Teams generally have to overpay to move up in the draft, but that might be giving up too much.

For example, in 2015 the Timberwolves traded 31, 36, and their second-round pick in 2019 (40) to the Cavaliers for the 24th overall pick-- Tyus Jones. Minnesota sent approximately 1,630 (future draft picks typically have lower value due to the uncertainty of draft slot) for 930.

I think I'd rather have two or three dart throws in the second round, but it ultimately depends on the player you'd be trading up for. This may not answer your question, but I hope it provides some insight.

I thanks for the reply Cam. I proposed the question because it's interesting to hear what others think in regards to value. Thanks for bringing up Pelton's draft chart.

Let's look back a bit on the Tyus Jones deal. At this point Tyus Jones is at least a really valuable backup that can fill in for a starter for more than a couple games and be worthwhile. That's not exactly a home run but to turn a bunch of 2nd round picks into that type of guy is worthwhile. Would I rather have Cede Osman and 2 other dart throws? Maybe but if I remember right the players picked with the other 2nds were out of the league pretty quickly. I'm not going to look it up again because I think the picks and players were traded a few times. Looking back at the rest of the 2nd round there were several worthwhile players available to take at 36. I know Norman Powell was a guy I really liked so that would have a nice 2nd round draft.

Meanwhile Connelly in one draft picked Morris in the 50's and he is of similar value to Tyus a good backup/solid starting level player.

FWIW looking back at a few drafts there isn't many drafts and stash guys taken in the later half of the 2nd round. Is that maybe a missed opportunity or are teams trading into those picks to get players?

[WildWolf2813]

If there's a guy they must have, move up. Otherwise, it's time this team look for these gems who could take this team to another level. The best ones seem to find them. Show & prove

[Lipoli390]

Another rumor swirling is that the Wizards are trying to trade up with the Kings for their #4 pick to get Jaden Ivey. Here's the speculation on what the Wizards would be giving up:

"What would a trade package coming back to Sacramento look like?

For starters, you would think it would need to include the No. 10 pick this season, plus possibly Kyle Kuzma and one of Deni Avidija or Rui Hachimura, with maybe even another future protected first round pick coming to the Kings. For Sacramento, this package would keep them in the lottery and give them a chance to draft a promising rookie while adding to their currently barren wing depth."

Ivey does show signs of star potential. You can see it in his raw speed and athleticism. But you also see it in some of his college stats as a sophomore, including nearly 6 free-throw attempts and 5 rebounds per game to go with 46% FG shooting on relatively high volume. His less than a steal per game isn't impressive for a player with his attributes and that would give me some pause. Meanwhile his 17 points per game are good, but not elite for a college sophomore who goes on to become an NBA star. But one of the key stats for me is Ivey's trips to the line. If you look back at the college stats of current NBA star wings or guards, you'll tend to see that stat standing out.

On the other hand, Kuzma, Avidija, Hachimura and #10 would be a lot to give up and it's not clear that would be enough. So I have another option for the Wizards. DLO,

[Lipoli390]

If there's a guy they must have, move up. Otherwise, it's time this team look for these gems who could take this team to another level. The best ones seem to find them. Show & prove

The problem with keeping all four picks is that the Wolves realistically don't have the roster space for more than one or at most two picks. There's no chance for a player to prove himself if he doesn't have a roster slot to play in. The Wolves might be able to draft one or two foreign stash players late in the 2nd round, but those rarely if ever pan out. The Wolves best move is to consolidate their 2nd-round picks and possibly Naz to land another 1st-round pick or move up from 19. I like giving Connelly and his team two shots, as high as possible, to land a really good player.

[KG4Ever]

We've had to deals so far this summer involving 1st-round picks in this year's draft, but we still don't have much insight into the value of his year's first rounders.

On the one hand, the price Houston paid for the Mavs' #26 pick seems pretty steep to me. That deal was basically Christian Wood for #26. The rest of the players were marginal bench players included for salary purposes. But don't think Denver deal with OKC reflects a particularly high value for the #30 pick.

At first blush, it looks like the Nuggets gave up a lot for OKC's #30 pick, but a closer look tells a different tale. The Nuggets gave up their 2027 lottery-protected 1st and JaMychal Green. But Green was a marginal player for the Nuggets, averaging only 16 minutes and 6.4 points a game last year, and he was about to exercise his $8M option for next season. So I Denver actually benefits financially from parting with Green without any significant impact on the quality of their rotation. OKC is in full rebuild mode, which means a marginal older vet means little to them. So Denver actually gave up very little for the #30 pick. They gave up a highly protected pick five years and free up an additional $8M under the luxury tax by giving up a player they won't miss. And Denver also received two further 2nd-round picks in return.

My take away is that the Wolves will have opportunities to acquire another 1st-round pick in the 25-30 range without giving up any key players. I think Naz Reid and one or two of this year's second round picks would be enough to snag another 1st-rounder in that range. That seems better than the deal OKC got for the #30 pick. If Connelly seems someone he really likes at 22, 25, 26 or 29 after making their selection at 19, then the Wolves could make a strong offer with come combination of the following:

- Naz Reid
- One or all of picks 40, 48 and 50, and
- Perhaps the Wolves lottery-protected first-round pick in 2028.

Lip question for you and anyone else on this board. Let's say you could trade all three 2nd rounders for say #29 would you do it? I would be a bit conflicted only because ai think the Wolves would use a chance with one of those 2nd to draft a guy that's worth taking a shot at who will keep playing internationally. Will a player like that work out? Idk but now that Tim Connelly around I tend to value a pick/s like that a little higher. Meanwhile it feels like there could be some worthwhile players available at #40 or maybe even at one of the later picks if we go with the best stash-able player with the first of our 2nd round picks. I think I would be cool with either direction.

I like the idea of Naz and a 2nd to move up in the first round or maybe even Naz and a later 2nd for a 2nd rounder in the 30's.

If there's a guy they must have, move up. Otherwise, it's time this team look for these gems who could take this team to another level. The best ones seem to find them. Show & prove

The problem with keeping all four picks is that the Wolves realistically don't have the roster space for more than one or at most two picks. There's no chance for a player to prove himself if he doesn't have a roster slot to play in. The Wolves might be able to draft one or two foreign stash players late in the 2nd round, but those rarely if ever pan out. The Wolves best move is to consolidate their 2nd-round picks and possibly Naz to land another 1st-round pick or move up from 19. I like giving Connelly and his team two shots, as high as possible, to land a really good player.

How do we not have roster space for upside talent? Exclusive of KAT, Ant and McDaniels, I don't see much upside talent on the roster. Maybe Vando has some value. Maybe Nowell and JMac are worth keeping. But geez, at least half the roster is very replaceable if better talent were to become available. Now, I don't advocate completely turning over the roster the way Rosas traded everyone but Kat and Okogie, but I'd like to see the roster upgraded as much as possible in the next couple years. I think we could bring in 2 or 3 rookies and 3 or 4 free agents or trade assets and keep 8 or 9 guys, no problem. This roster still needs overhauling, so there is plenty of room at the Wolves Inn.

[Monster]

We've had to deals so far this summer involving 1st-round picks in this year's draft, but we still don't have much insight into the value of his year's first rounders.

On the one hand, the price Houston paid for the Mavs' #26 pick seems pretty steep to me. That deal was basically Christian Wood for #26. The rest of the players were marginal bench players included for salary purposes. But don't think Denver deal with OKC reflects a particularly high value for the #30 pick.

At first blush, it looks like the Nuggets gave up a lot for OKC's #30 pick, but a closer look tells a different tale. The Nuggets gave up their 2027 lottery-protected 1st and JaMychal Green. But Green was a marginal player for the Nuggets, averaging only 16 minutes and 6.4 points a game last year, and he was about to exercise his $8M option for next season. So I Denver actually benefits financially from parting with Green without any significant impact on the quality of their rotation. OKC is in full rebuild mode, which means a marginal older vet means little to them. So Denver actually gave up very little for the #30 pick. They gave up a highly protected pick five years and free up an additional $8M under the luxury tax by giving up a player they won't miss. And Denver also received two further 2nd-round picks in return.

My take away is that the Wolves will have opportunities to acquire another 1st-round pick in the 25-30 range without giving up any key players. I think Naz Reid and one or two of this year's second round picks would be enough to snag another 1st-rounder in that range. That seems better than the deal OKC got for the #30 pick. If Connelly seems someone he really likes at 22, 25, 26 or 29 after making their selection at 19, then the Wolves could make a strong offer with come combination of the following:

- Naz Reid
- One or all of picks 40, 48 and 50, and
- Perhaps the Wolves lottery-protected first-round pick in 2028.

Lip question for you and anyone else on this board. Let's say you could trade all three 2nd rounders for say #29 would you do it? I would be a bit conflicted only because ai think the Wolves would use a chance with one of those 2nd to draft a guy that's worth taking a shot at who will keep playing internationally. Will a player like that work out? Idk but now that Tim Connelly around I tend to value a pick/s like that a little higher. Meanwhile it feels like there could be some worthwhile players available at #40 or maybe even at one of the later picks if we go with the best stash-able player with the first of our 2nd round picks. I think I would be cool with either direction.

I like the idea of Naz and a 2nd to move up in the first round or maybe even Naz and a later 2nd for a 2nd rounder in the 30's.

If there's a guy they must have, move up. Otherwise, it's time this team look for these gems who could take this team to another level. The best ones seem to find them. Show & prove

The problem with keeping all four picks is that the Wolves realistically don't have the roster space for more than one or at most two picks. There's no chance for a player to prove himself if he doesn't have a roster slot to play in. The Wolves might be able to draft one or two foreign stash players late in the 2nd round, but those rarely if ever pan out. The Wolves best move is to consolidate their 2nd-round picks and possibly Naz to land another 1st-round pick or move up from 19. I like giving Connelly and his team two shots, as high as possible, to land a really good player.

How do we not have roster space for upside talent? Exclusive of KAT, Ant and McDaniels, I don't see much upside talent on the roster. Maybe Vando has some value. Maybe Nowell and JMac are worth keeping. But geez, at least half the roster is very replaceable if better talent were to become available. Now, I don't advocate completely turning over the roster the way Rosas traded everyone but Kat and Okogie, but I'd like to see the roster upgraded as much as possible in the next couple years. I think we could bring in 2 or 3 rookies and 3 or 4 free agents or trade assets and keep 8 or 9 guys, no problem. This roster still needs overhauling, so there is plenty of room at the Wolves Inn.

What guys with guaranteed contracts are you cutting from the roster to bring in 5-7 players?

[KG4Ever]

We've had to deals so far this summer involving 1st-round picks in this year's draft, but we still don't have much insight into the value of his year's first rounders.

On the one hand, the price Houston paid for the Mavs' #26 pick seems pretty steep to me. That deal was basically Christian Wood for #26. The rest of the players were marginal bench players included for salary purposes. But don't think Denver deal with OKC reflects a particularly high value for the #30 pick.

At first blush, it looks like the Nuggets gave up a lot for OKC's #30 pick, but a closer look tells a different tale. The Nuggets gave up their 2027 lottery-protected 1st and JaMychal Green. But Green was a marginal player for the Nuggets, averaging only 16 minutes and 6.4 points a game last year, and he was about to exercise his $8M option for next season. So I Denver actually benefits financially from parting with Green without any significant impact on the quality of their rotation. OKC is in full rebuild mode, which means a marginal older vet means little to them. So Denver actually gave up very little for the #30 pick. They gave up a highly protected pick five years and free up an additional $8M under the luxury tax by giving up a player they won't miss. And Denver also received two further 2nd-round picks in return.

My take away is that the Wolves will have opportunities to acquire another 1st-round pick in the 25-30 range without giving up any key players. I think Naz Reid and one or two of this year's second round picks would be enough to snag another 1st-rounder in that range. That seems better than the deal OKC got for the #30 pick. If Connelly seems someone he really likes at 22, 25, 26 or 29 after making their selection at 19, then the Wolves could make a strong offer with come combination of the following:

- Naz Reid
- One or all of picks 40, 48 and 50, and
- Perhaps the Wolves lottery-protected first-round pick in 2028.

Lip question for you and anyone else on this board. Let's say you could trade all three 2nd rounders for say #29 would you do it? I would be a bit conflicted only because ai think the Wolves would use a chance with one of those 2nd to draft a guy that's worth taking a shot at who will keep playing internationally. Will a player like that work out? Idk but now that Tim Connelly around I tend to value a pick/s like that a little higher. Meanwhile it feels like there could be some worthwhile players available at #40 or maybe even at one of the later picks if we go with the best stash-able player with the first of our 2nd round picks. I think I would be cool with either direction.

I like the idea of Naz and a 2nd to move up in the first round or maybe even Naz and a later 2nd for a 2nd rounder in the 30's.

If there's a guy they must have, move up. Otherwise, it's time this team look for these gems who could take this team to another level. The best ones seem to find them. Show & prove

The problem with keeping all four picks is that the Wolves realistically don't have the roster space for more than one or at most two picks. There's no chance for a player to prove himself if he doesn't have a roster slot to play in. The Wolves might be able to draft one or two foreign stash players late in the 2nd round, but those rarely if ever pan out. The Wolves best move is to consolidate their 2nd-round picks and possibly Naz to land another 1st-round pick or move up from 19. I like giving Connelly and his team two shots, as high as possible, to land a really good player.

How do we not have roster space for upside talent? Exclusive of KAT, Ant and McDaniels, I don't see much upside talent on the roster. Maybe Vando has some value. Maybe Nowell and JMac are worth keeping. But geez, at least half the roster is very replaceable if better talent were to become available. Now, I don't advocate completely turning over the roster the way Rosas traded everyone but Kat and Okogie, but I'd like to see the roster upgraded as much as possible in the next couple years. I think we could bring in 2 or 3 rookies and 3 or 4 free agents or trade assets and keep 8 or 9 guys, no problem. This roster still needs overhauling, so there is plenty of room at the Wolves Inn.

What guys with guaranteed contracts are you cutting from the roster to bring in 5-7 players?

We've had to deals so far this summer involving 1st-round picks in this year's draft, but we still don't have much insight into the value of his year's first rounders.

On the one hand, the price Houston paid for the Mavs' #26 pick seems pretty steep to me. That deal was basically Christian Wood for #26. The rest of the players were marginal bench players included for salary purposes. But don't think Denver deal with OKC reflects a particularly high value for the #30 pick.

At first blush, it looks like the Nuggets gave up a lot for OKC's #30 pick, but a closer look tells a different tale. The Nuggets gave up their 2027 lottery-protected 1st and JaMychal Green. But Green was a marginal player for the Nuggets, averaging only 16 minutes and 6.4 points a game last year, and he was about to exercise his $8M option for next season. So I Denver actually benefits financially from parting with Green without any significant impact on the quality of their rotation. OKC is in full rebuild mode, which means a marginal older vet means little to them. So Denver actually gave up very little for the #30 pick. They gave up a highly protected pick five years and free up an additional $8M under the luxury tax by giving up a player they won't miss. And Denver also received two further 2nd-round picks in return.

My take away is that the Wolves will have opportunities to acquire another 1st-round pick in the 25-30 range without giving up any key players. I think Naz Reid and one or two of this year's second round picks would be enough to snag another 1st-rounder in that range. That seems better than the deal OKC got for the #30 pick. If Connelly seems someone he really likes at 22, 25, 26 or 29 after making their selection at 19, then the Wolves could make a strong offer with come combination of the following:

- Naz Reid
- One or all of picks 40, 48 and 50, and
- Perhaps the Wolves lottery-protected first-round pick in 2028.

Lip question for you and anyone else on this board. Let's say you could trade all three 2nd rounders for say #29 would you do it? I would be a bit conflicted only because ai think the Wolves would use a chance with one of those 2nd to draft a guy that's worth taking a shot at who will keep playing internationally. Will a player like that work out? Idk but now that Tim Connelly around I tend to value a pick/s like that a little higher. Meanwhile it feels like there could be some worthwhile players available at #40 or maybe even at one of the later picks if we go with the best stash-able player with the first of our 2nd round picks. I think I would be cool with either direction.

I like the idea of Naz and a 2nd to move up in the first round or maybe even Naz and a later 2nd for a 2nd rounder in the 30's.

If there's a guy they must have, move up. Otherwise, it's time this team look for these gems who could take this team to another level. The best ones seem to find them. Show & prove

The problem with keeping all four picks is that the Wolves realistically don't have the roster space for more than one or at most two picks. There's no chance for a player to prove himself if he doesn't have a roster slot to play in. The Wolves might be able to draft one or two foreign stash players late in the 2nd round, but those rarely if ever pan out. The Wolves best move is to consolidate their 2nd-round picks and possibly Naz to land another 1st-round pick or move up from 19. I like giving Connelly and his team two shots, as high as possible, to land a really good player.

How do we not have roster space for upside talent? Exclusive of KAT, Ant and McDaniels, I don't see much upside talent on the roster. Maybe Vando has some value. Maybe Nowell and JMac are worth keeping. But geez, at least half the roster is very replaceable if better talent were to become available. Now, I don't advocate completely turning over the roster the way Rosas traded everyone but Kat and Okogie, but I'd like to see the roster upgraded as much as possible in the next couple years. I think we could bring in 2 or 3 rookies and 3 or 4 free agents or trade assets and keep 8 or 9 guys, no problem. This roster still needs overhauling, so there is plenty of room at the Wolves Inn.

What guys with guaranteed contracts are you cutting from the roster to bring in 5-7 players?

Well, I believe we have 9 guaranteed contracts, and I'm open to moving anyone other than KAT, Ant or McDaniels in a trade to try to improve our draft capital or move up and hopefully also free up a roster spot. I am not against cutting players with guaranteed contracts if that is what it takes, but its hard to answer that question without knowing who the players coming in are.

[Monster]

We've had to deals so far this summer involving 1st-round picks in this year's draft, but we still don't have much insight into the value of his year's first rounders.

On the one hand, the price Houston paid for the Mavs' #26 pick seems pretty steep to me. That deal was basically Christian Wood for #26. The rest of the players were marginal bench players included for salary purposes. But don't think Denver deal with OKC reflects a particularly high value for the #30 pick.

At first blush, it looks like the Nuggets gave up a lot for OKC's #30 pick, but a closer look tells a different tale. The Nuggets gave up their 2027 lottery-protected 1st and JaMychal Green. But Green was a marginal player for the Nuggets, averaging only 16 minutes and 6.4 points a game last year, and he was about to exercise his $8M option for next season. So I Denver actually benefits financially from parting with Green without any significant impact on the quality of their rotation. OKC is in full rebuild mode, which means a marginal older vet means little to them. So Denver actually gave up very little for the #30 pick. They gave up a highly protected pick five years and free up an additional $8M under the luxury tax by giving up a player they won't miss. And Denver also received two further 2nd-round picks in return.

My take away is that the Wolves will have opportunities to acquire another 1st-round pick in the 25-30 range without giving up any key players. I think Naz Reid and one or two of this year's second round picks would be enough to snag another 1st-rounder in that range. That seems better than the deal OKC got for the #30 pick. If Connelly seems someone he really likes at 22, 25, 26 or 29 after making their selection at 19, then the Wolves could make a strong offer with come combination of the following:

- Naz Reid
- One or all of picks 40, 48 and 50, and
- Perhaps the Wolves lottery-protected first-round pick in 2028.

Lip question for you and anyone else on this board. Let's say you could trade all three 2nd rounders for say #29 would you do it? I would be a bit conflicted only because ai think the Wolves would use a chance with one of those 2nd to draft a guy that's worth taking a shot at who will keep playing internationally. Will a player like that work out? Idk but now that Tim Connelly around I tend to value a pick/s like that a little higher. Meanwhile it feels like there could be some worthwhile players available at #40 or maybe even at one of the later picks if we go with the best stash-able player with the first of our 2nd round picks. I think I would be cool with either direction.

I like the idea of Naz and a 2nd to move up in the first round or maybe even Naz and a later 2nd for a 2nd rounder in the 30's.

If there's a guy they must have, move up. Otherwise, it's time this team look for these gems who could take this team to another level. The best ones seem to find them. Show & prove

The problem with keeping all four picks is that the Wolves realistically don't have the roster space for more than one or at most two picks. There's no chance for a player to prove himself if he doesn't have a roster slot to play in. The Wolves might be able to draft one or two foreign stash players late in the 2nd round, but those rarely if ever pan out. The Wolves best move is to consolidate their 2nd-round picks and possibly Naz to land another 1st-round pick or move up from 19. I like giving Connelly and his team two shots, as high as possible, to land a really good player.

How do we not have roster space for upside talent? Exclusive of KAT, Ant and McDaniels, I don't see much upside talent on the roster. Maybe Vando has some value. Maybe Nowell and JMac are worth keeping. But geez, at least half the roster is very replaceable if better talent were to become available. Now, I don't advocate completely turning over the roster the way Rosas traded everyone but Kat and Okogie, but I'd like to see the roster upgraded as much as possible in the next couple years. I think we could bring in 2 or 3 rookies and 3 or 4 free agents or trade assets and keep 8 or 9 guys, no problem. This roster still needs overhauling, so there is plenty of room at the Wolves Inn.

What guys with guaranteed contracts are you cutting from the roster to bring in 5-7 players?

We've had to deals so far this summer involving 1st-round picks in this year's draft, but we still don't have much insight into the value of his year's first rounders.

On the one hand, the price Houston paid for the Mavs' #26 pick seems pretty steep to me. That deal was basically Christian Wood for #26. The rest of the players were marginal bench players included for salary purposes. But don't think Denver deal with OKC reflects a particularly high value for the #30 pick.

At first blush, it looks like the Nuggets gave up a lot for OKC's #30 pick, but a closer look tells a different tale. The Nuggets gave up their 2027 lottery-protected 1st and JaMychal Green. But Green was a marginal player for the Nuggets, averaging only 16 minutes and 6.4 points a game last year, and he was about to exercise his $8M option for next season. So I Denver actually benefits financially from parting with Green without any significant impact on the quality of their rotation. OKC is in full rebuild mode, which means a marginal older vet means little to them. So Denver actually gave up very little for the #30 pick. They gave up a highly protected pick five years and free up an additional $8M under the luxury tax by giving up a player they won't miss. And Denver also received two further 2nd-round picks in return.

My take away is that the Wolves will have opportunities to acquire another 1st-round pick in the 25-30 range without giving up any key players. I think Naz Reid and one or two of this year's second round picks would be enough to snag another 1st-rounder in that range. That seems better than the deal OKC got for the #30 pick. If Connelly seems someone he really likes at 22, 25, 26 or 29 after making their selection at 19, then the Wolves could make a strong offer with come combination of the following:

- Naz Reid
- One or all of picks 40, 48 and 50, and
- Perhaps the Wolves lottery-protected first-round pick in 2028.

Lip question for you and anyone else on this board. Let's say you could trade all three 2nd rounders for say #29 would you do it? I would be a bit conflicted only because ai think the Wolves would use a chance with one of those 2nd to draft a guy that's worth taking a shot at who will keep playing internationally. Will a player like that work out? Idk but now that Tim Connelly around I tend to value a pick/s like that a little higher. Meanwhile it feels like there could be some worthwhile players available at #40 or maybe even at one of the later picks if we go with the best stash-able player with the first of our 2nd round picks. I think I would be cool with either direction.

I like the idea of Naz and a 2nd to move up in the first round or maybe even Naz and a later 2nd for a 2nd rounder in the 30's.

If there's a guy they must have, move up. Otherwise, it's time this team look for these gems who could take this team to another level. The best ones seem to find them. Show & prove

The problem with keeping all four picks is that the Wolves realistically don't have the roster space for more than one or at most two picks. There's no chance for a player to prove himself if he doesn't have a roster slot to play in. The Wolves might be able to draft one or two foreign stash players late in the 2nd round, but those rarely if ever pan out. The Wolves best move is to consolidate their 2nd-round picks and possibly Naz to land another 1st-round pick or move up from 19. I like giving Connelly and his team two shots, as high as possible, to land a really good player.

How do we not have roster space for upside talent? Exclusive of KAT, Ant and McDaniels, I don't see much upside talent on the roster. Maybe Vando has some value. Maybe Nowell and JMac are worth keeping. But geez, at least half the roster is very replaceable if better talent were to become available. Now, I don't advocate completely turning over the roster the way Rosas traded everyone but Kat and Okogie, but I'd like to see the roster upgraded as much as possible in the next couple years. I think we could bring in 2 or 3 rookies and 3 or 4 free agents or trade assets and keep 8 or 9 guys, no problem. This roster still needs overhauling, so there is plenty of room at the Wolves Inn.

What guys with guaranteed contracts are you cutting from the roster to bring in 5-7 players?

Well, I believe we have 9 guaranteed contracts, and I'm open to moving anyone other than KAT, Ant or McDaniels in a trade to try to improve our draft capital or move up and hopefully also free up a roster spot. I am not against cutting players with guaranteed contracts if that is what it takes, but its hard to answer that question without knowing who the players coming in are.

How are you planning to bring in players that have more upside than Nowell and Naz Reid who are essentially on vet min contracts?

[KG4Ever]

We've had to deals so far this summer involving 1st-round picks in this year's draft, but we still don't have much insight into the value of his year's first rounders.

On the one hand, the price Houston paid for the Mavs' #26 pick seems pretty steep to me. That deal was basically Christian Wood for #26. The rest of the players were marginal bench players included for salary purposes. But don't think Denver deal with OKC reflects a particularly high value for the #30 pick.

At first blush, it looks like the Nuggets gave up a lot for OKC's #30 pick, but a closer look tells a different tale. The Nuggets gave up their 2027 lottery-protected 1st and JaMychal Green. But Green was a marginal player for the Nuggets, averaging only 16 minutes and 6.4 points a game last year, and he was about to exercise his $8M option for next season. So I Denver actually benefits financially from parting with Green without any significant impact on the quality of their rotation. OKC is in full rebuild mode, which means a marginal older vet means little to them. So Denver actually gave up very little for the #30 pick. They gave up a highly protected pick five years and free up an additional $8M under the luxury tax by giving up a player they won't miss. And Denver also received two further 2nd-round picks in return.

My take away is that the Wolves will have opportunities to acquire another 1st-round pick in the 25-30 range without giving up any key players. I think Naz Reid and one or two of this year's second round picks would be enough to snag another 1st-rounder in that range. That seems better than the deal OKC got for the #30 pick. If Connelly seems someone he really likes at 22, 25, 26 or 29 after making their selection at 19, then the Wolves could make a strong offer with come combination of the following:

- Naz Reid
- One or all of picks 40, 48 and 50, and
- Perhaps the Wolves lottery-protected first-round pick in 2028.

Lip question for you and anyone else on this board. Let's say you could trade all three 2nd rounders for say #29 would you do it? I would be a bit conflicted only because ai think the Wolves would use a chance with one of those 2nd to draft a guy that's worth taking a shot at who will keep playing internationally. Will a player like that work out? Idk but now that Tim Connelly around I tend to value a pick/s like that a little higher. Meanwhile it feels like there could be some worthwhile players available at #40 or maybe even at one of the later picks if we go with the best stash-able player with the first of our 2nd round picks. I think I would be cool with either direction.

I like the idea of Naz and a 2nd to move up in the first round or maybe even Naz and a later 2nd for a 2nd rounder in the 30's.

If there's a guy they must have, move up. Otherwise, it's time this team look for these gems who could take this team to another level. The best ones seem to find them. Show & prove

The problem with keeping all four picks is that the Wolves realistically don't have the roster space for more than one or at most two picks. There's no chance for a player to prove himself if he doesn't have a roster slot to play in. The Wolves might be able to draft one or two foreign stash players late in the 2nd round, but those rarely if ever pan out. The Wolves best move is to consolidate their 2nd-round picks and possibly Naz to land another 1st-round pick or move up from 19. I like giving Connelly and his team two shots, as high as possible, to land a really good player.

How do we not have roster space for upside talent? Exclusive of KAT, Ant and McDaniels, I don't see much upside talent on the roster. Maybe Vando has some value. Maybe Nowell and JMac are worth keeping. But geez, at least half the roster is very replaceable if better talent were to become available. Now, I don't advocate completely turning over the roster the way Rosas traded everyone but Kat and Okogie, but I'd like to see the roster upgraded as much as possible in the next couple years. I think we could bring in 2 or 3 rookies and 3 or 4 free agents or trade assets and keep 8 or 9 guys, no problem. This roster still needs overhauling, so there is plenty of room at the Wolves Inn.

What guys with guaranteed contracts are you cutting from the roster to bring in 5-7 players?

We've had to deals so far this summer involving 1st-round picks in this year's draft, but we still don't have much insight into the value of his year's first rounders.

On the one hand, the price Houston paid for the Mavs' #26 pick seems pretty steep to me. That deal was basically Christian Wood for #26. The rest of the players were marginal bench players included for salary purposes. But don't think Denver deal with OKC reflects a particularly high value for the #30 pick.

At first blush, it looks like the Nuggets gave up a lot for OKC's #30 pick, but a closer look tells a different tale. The Nuggets gave up their 2027 lottery-protected 1st and JaMychal Green. But Green was a marginal player for the Nuggets, averaging only 16 minutes and 6.4 points a game last year, and he was about to exercise his $8M option for next season. So I Denver actually benefits financially from parting with Green without any significant impact on the quality of their rotation. OKC is in full rebuild mode, which means a marginal older vet means little to them. So Denver actually gave up very little for the #30 pick. They gave up a highly protected pick five years and free up an additional $8M under the luxury tax by giving up a player they won't miss. And Denver also received two further 2nd-round picks in return.

My take away is that the Wolves will have opportunities to acquire another 1st-round pick in the 25-30 range without giving up any key players. I think Naz Reid and one or two of this year's second round picks would be enough to snag another 1st-rounder in that range. That seems better than the deal OKC got for the #30 pick. If Connelly seems someone he really likes at 22, 25, 26 or 29 after making their selection at 19, then the Wolves could make a strong offer with come combination of the following:

- Naz Reid
- One or all of picks 40, 48 and 50, and
- Perhaps the Wolves lottery-protected first-round pick in 2028.

Lip question for you and anyone else on this board. Let's say you could trade all three 2nd rounders for say #29 would you do it? I would be a bit conflicted only because ai think the Wolves would use a chance with one of those 2nd to draft a guy that's worth taking a shot at who will keep playing internationally. Will a player like that work out? Idk but now that Tim Connelly around I tend to value a pick/s like that a little higher. Meanwhile it feels like there could be some worthwhile players available at #40 or maybe even at one of the later picks if we go with the best stash-able player with the first of our 2nd round picks. I think I would be cool with either direction.

I like the idea of Naz and a 2nd to move up in the first round or maybe even Naz and a later 2nd for a 2nd rounder in the 30's.

If there's a guy they must have, move up. Otherwise, it's time this team look for these gems who could take this team to another level. The best ones seem to find them. Show & prove

The problem with keeping all four picks is that the Wolves realistically don't have the roster space for more than one or at most two picks. There's no chance for a player to prove himself if he doesn't have a roster slot to play in. The Wolves might be able to draft one or two foreign stash players late in the 2nd round, but those rarely if ever pan out. The Wolves best move is to consolidate their 2nd-round picks and possibly Naz to land another 1st-round pick or move up from 19. I like giving Connelly and his team two shots, as high as possible, to land a really good player.

How do we not have roster space for upside talent? Exclusive of KAT, Ant and McDaniels, I don't see much upside talent on the roster. Maybe Vando has some value. Maybe Nowell and JMac are worth keeping. But geez, at least half the roster is very replaceable if better talent were to become available. Now, I don't advocate completely turning over the roster the way Rosas traded everyone but Kat and Okogie, but I'd like to see the roster upgraded as much as possible in the next couple years. I think we could bring in 2 or 3 rookies and 3 or 4 free agents or trade assets and keep 8 or 9 guys, no problem. This roster still needs overhauling, so there is plenty of room at the Wolves Inn.

What guys with guaranteed contracts are you cutting from the roster to bring in 5-7 players?

Well, I believe we have 9 guaranteed contracts, and I'm open to moving anyone other than KAT, Ant or McDaniels in a trade to try to improve our draft capital or move up and hopefully also free up a roster spot. I am not against cutting players with guaranteed contracts if that is what it takes, but its hard to answer that question without knowing who the players coming in are.

How are you planning to bring in players that have more upside than Nowell and Naz Reid who are essentially on vet min contracts?

I don't view Naz Reid as a high upside guy and frankly he's a guy I am looking to upgrade whether its signing and trading him or just not even resigning him. Nowell, is probably a guy I want to retain and if so, we could have 10 guaranteed contracts, but that still leaves 5 open roster spots, plus we might be able to free up some open roster spots if we can shed contracts in trades and if that isn't enough open roster spaces, then the Wolves can assess whether it make sense to bring in additional players by cutting players with guaranteed contracts.