Camden wrote:Wouldn't a more prudent move by the NBA and its players be to encourage and evidently inform more people to stop committing crime and stop resisting arrest? If you do not encounter the police, the chance of you being wrongfully killed by law enforcement is zero. Why is that not the message LeBron James and others are pushing? It's common sense to many, but apparently not all. Retired NFL star Marcellus Wiley, to his credit, has been the most vocal in this regard.
What is the solution to encourage people to stop committing crimes?
Change the culture. Make education cool again. Make monogamy, loyalty, parenting, and the idea of the nuclear family a priority. Incorporate more/different avenues of study in the public education system. Teaching our youth the importance of financial literacy and responsibility. Encouragement/resources from the elites, celebrities, and those with a platform to do the right thing, to have a sense of self-worth, to find their purpose. This is specific to my beliefs, but to incorporate more religion without offending other religions. There are many ways to go about this, but the culture we are breeding is one of destruction and disrespect. If you don't believe that this will catch up to us all in the end, then I strongly disagree with you.
Edit: monster, I'm saying "you" but I don't directly mean you.
Cam does systemic racism exist in some way in the USA?
No. Systemic racism does not exist in America. There is no system in place to hinder any specific race in this country. If there was, we would not see the many black entrepreneurs, business owners, surgeons, educators, attorneys, political officials, professional athletes, etc. Systemic racism would have suppressed them from such success. We would not see blacks wrongfully charged with crimes walk free after court cases. There would not be black valedictorians and honor grads in almost every graduating class. Systemic racism also implies that another race has an advantage in life and that's another issue I find to be folly. I'm sure many will disagree with me on this too.
then you'll never understand what minorities have to go through because your sentiment couldn't be farther away from what black people feel. It absolutely exists and most of the people who feel this way can point to an incident where it's been that way for them or someone they know. Minorities have made great advancements, but there's still a long way to go in this country and a lot of scars in this country that are very visible. It's not something to flippantly dismiss. Might as well say Black people are full of shit and let's see how that works out.
Camden wrote:Wouldn't a more prudent move by the NBA and its players be to encourage and evidently inform more people to stop committing crime and stop resisting arrest? If you do not encounter the police, the chance of you being wrongfully killed by law enforcement is zero. Why is that not the message LeBron James and others are pushing? It's common sense to many, but apparently not all. Retired NFL star Marcellus Wiley, to his credit, has been the most vocal in this regard.
What is the solution to encourage people to stop committing crimes?
Change the culture. Make education cool again. Make monogamy, loyalty, parenting, and the idea of the nuclear family a priority. Incorporate more/different avenues of study in the public education system. Teaching our youth the importance of financial literacy and responsibility. Encouragement/resources from the elites, celebrities, and those with a platform to do the right thing, to have a sense of self-worth, to find their purpose. This is specific to my beliefs, but to incorporate more religion without offending other religions. There are many ways to go about this, but the culture we are breeding is one of destruction and disrespect. If you don't believe that this will catch up to us all in the end, then I strongly disagree with you.
Edit: monster, I'm saying "you" but I don't directly mean you.
Thanks for the response and thanks for the clarification. There are a lot of good things here I can agree with. I specifically like the idea you mentioned about having more avenues of study in public education. What would be one tangible way you would work towards any of the things you put forth here?
There is a divisiveness in this country right now...but lets not kid ourselves its not exactly new. There was some horrendous rhetoric in the past too. That should likely be acknowledged and learned from. Meanwhile I'd like to see more dialog where we can find out what each of us really believes in instead of judging someone based on some comment they make or stance or a social media post. We aren't going to agree on everything but maybe we can agree on enough and find a way towards making some real change. Does everyone agree there needs to be change even if we aren't all sure we agree on what it is or how to get there?
Cam does systemic racism exist in some way in the USA?
No. Systemic racism does not exist in America. There is no system in place to hinder any specific race in this country. If there was, we would not see the many black entrepreneurs, business owners, surgeons, educators, attorneys, political officials, professional athletes, etc. Systemic racism would have suppressed them from such success. We would not see blacks wrongfully charged with crimes walk free after court cases. There would not be black valedictorians and honor grads in almost every graduating class. Systemic racism also implies that another race has an advantage in life and that's another issue I find to be folly. I'm sure many will disagree with me on this too.
then you'll never understand what minorities have to go through because your sentiment couldn't be farther away from what black people feel. It absolutely exists and most of the people who feel this way can point to an incident where it's been that way for them or someone they know. Minorities have made great advancements, but there's still a long way to go in this country and a lot of scars in this country that are very visible. It's not something to flippantly dismiss. Might as well say Black people are full of shit and let's see how that works out.
But you do realize there are many blacks (and other minorities) that dismiss the idea of systemic racism and its existence in America today. Should we ignore them since they don't fit the narrative? You may disagree as is your right, but telling me that I'm being dismissive is hypocritical as you're doing the same to the likes of many without even realizing it.
Whether it is intentional/systematic or not, there are 3 times more white men then all blacks in the USA. People will inherently favor, relate to, and treat people that look like them better. This has been proven in a multitude of psychological studies. On top of that there are pure evil white racist morons like Kyle Rittenhouse and whoever raised him. It is incumbent on ethical white people who have a great advantage even if it is solely out of proximity (even though it is not solely that) to understand their inherent bias and actively combat that for the sake of equality. It doesnt matter what label you put on it, when you are the overwhelming majority in a democracy, the structure will benefit you.
Camden wrote:Wouldn't a more prudent move by the NBA and its players be to encourage and evidently inform more people to stop committing crime and stop resisting arrest? If you do not encounter the police, the chance of you being wrongfully killed by law enforcement is zero. Why is that not the message LeBron James and others are pushing? It's common sense to many, but apparently not all. Retired NFL star Marcellus Wiley, to his credit, has been the most vocal in this regard.
1. you'd be absolving these officers of doing what they did.
2. Resisting arrest is not a crime punishable by death. If a police officer (or group of them cannot restrain one man), that is police department issue that is caused by piss poor training.
3. We've also seen too many instances where the victim didn't commit a crime at all and still these things happened. What was Philando Castille's crime? Announcing he had a registered firearm in his car? What was Amadou Diallo's crime? Pulling out a wallet? What was Botham Jean's crime? Eating ice cream in his house? If the message is, "hey black kids if you don't commit crimes, cops won't bother you," well that damn sure ain't true.
thedoper wrote:Whether it is intentional/systematic or not, there are 3 times more white men then all blacks in the USA. People will inherently favor, relate to, and treat people that look like them better. This has been proven in a multitude of psychological studies. On top of that there are pure evil white racist morons like Kyle Rittenhouse and whoever raised him. It is incumbent on ethical white people who have a great advantage even if it is solely out of proximity (even though it is not solely that) to understand their inherent bias and actively combat that for the sake of equality. It doesnt matter what label you put on it, when you are the overwhelming majority in a democracy, the structure will benefit you.
Cite these studies. Provide your sources, not just your findings. I could Google it myself, but what point would that serve.
Camden wrote:Wouldn't a more prudent move by the NBA and its players be to encourage and evidently inform more people to stop committing crime and stop resisting arrest? If you do not encounter the police, the chance of you being wrongfully killed by law enforcement is zero. Why is that not the message LeBron James and others are pushing? It's common sense to many, but apparently not all. Retired NFL star Marcellus Wiley, to his credit, has been the most vocal in this regard.
1. you'd be absolving these officers of doing what they did.
2. Resisting arrest is not a crime punishable by death. If a police officer (or group of them cannot restrain one man), that is police department issue that is caused by piss poor training.
3. We've also seen too many instances where the victim didn't commit a crime at all and still these things happened. What was Philando Castille's crime? Announcing he had a registered firearm in his car? What was Amadou Diallo's crime? Pulling out a wallet? What was Botham Jean's crime? Eating ice cream in his house? If the message is, "hey black kids if you don't commit crimes, cops won't bother you," well that damn sure ain't true.
Correct, but once you make yourself a potential threat to others it's a different situation entirely. One where lethal force is authorized and just. For some reason, that tends to always get ignored when an instance like this is trending in the country.
thedoper wrote:Whether it is intentional/systematic or not, there are 3 times more white men then all blacks in the USA. People will inherently favor, relate to, and treat people that look like them better. This has been proven in a multitude of psychological studies. On top of that there are pure evil white racist morons like Kyle Rittenhouse and whoever raised him. It is incumbent on ethical white people who have a great advantage even if it is solely out of proximity (even though it is not solely that) to understand their inherent bias and actively combat that for the sake of equality. It doesnt matter what label you put on it, when you are the overwhelming majority in a democracy, the structure will benefit you.
Cite these studies. Provide your sources, not just your findings. I could Google it myself, but what point would that serve.
Here's a great one for you to start on Cam:
Children and prejudice
Frances E Aboud
B. Blackwell, 1988
If you want me to list some of the 2000+ articles which cite this work I can but clearly you know how to google and come to conclusions in a matter of minutes.
I should have realized that you were there and that's how you knew exactly how wrong Jacob Blake was. I made the mistake of thinking you were just getting your information of your detailed retelling of the incident off the internet.
Cam does systemic racism exist in some way in the USA?
No. Systemic racism does not exist in America. There is no system in place to hinder any specific race in this country. If there was, we would not see the many black entrepreneurs, business owners, surgeons, educators, attorneys, political officials, professional athletes, etc. Systemic racism would have suppressed them from such success. We would not see blacks wrongfully charged with crimes walk free after court cases. There would not be black valedictorians and honor grads in almost every graduating class. Systemic racism also implies that another race has an advantage in life and that's another issue I find to be folly. I'm sure many will disagree with me on this too.
then you'll never understand what minorities have to go through because your sentiment couldn't be farther away from what black people feel. It absolutely exists and most of the people who feel this way can point to an incident where it's been that way for them or someone they know. Minorities have made great advancements, but there's still a long way to go in this country and a lot of scars in this country that are very visible. It's not something to flippantly dismiss. Might as well say Black people are full of shit and let's see how that works out.
But you do realize there are many blacks (and other minorities) that dismiss the idea of systemic racism and its existence in America today. Should we ignore them since they don't fit the narrative? You may disagree as is your right, but telling me that I'm being dismissive is hypocritical as you're doing the same to the likes of many without even realizing it.
There's a term for black people like that. It's the black person who thinks that because they avoided these familiar pitfalls that in hindsight they didn't exist. It's the black person who feels that when they reach a level of privilege in life that it gives them the right to be snobby to everyone else whose shoes that person was in. It's the person who thinks racism ended when they got their lucky break. It's the person who craves the nourishment of white acceptance and believes in every negative connotation that comes with the melanin he or she has. It's the person far removed from anyone who looks like him or her and would rather keep it that way. It's the person who thinks that by disagreeing with other black people that it doesn't make their opinion different, but rather it makes them "special." From Sage Steele to Jason Whitlock to Stacey Dash to even Jonathan Isaac to a lesser degree, they exist, and they can be lumped into the same group with little objection from them. I know, because those are the ones who get more dislike than even the most racist white person.
Now I have no idea where you're from and how you were raised. That can shape a person's world view drastically (which is why I'm trying to be very respectful towards you. That and we've been here for years.) I'll just say it's always be easy for you to dismiss the idea of systemic racism because luckily for you, you'll never know firsthand what that feels like.
