Would you trade Towns

[TheFuture]

All I know is that if the Wolves can simply land a couple more #1 draft pick/max guys... we're definitely, maybe, possibly going to have a legitimately promising future.

The whole point is a complete lack of direction.

Our organization goes middle on everything.

You do not win that way. In anything.

Unless you're a woman and threesomes are your thing.

[AbeVigodaLive]

So as fans of the worst franchise in league history just have to wait two more years before we can finally begin the next rebuild in earnest?

Ok. Fair enough. After all, nobody knows the drill better than we do...

[AbeVigodaLive]

All I know is that if the Wolves can simply land a couple more #1 draft pick/max guys... we're definitely, maybe, possibly going to have a legitimately promising future.

The whole point is a complete lack of direction.

Our organization goes middle on everything.

You do not win that way. In anything.

Unless you're a woman and threesomes are your thing.

Ok. So I see a disconnect there. I guess I thought trading young guys for a top 20ish player and giving a max to Wiggins were actually pretty bold moves.

You see it as a half-measure take? What would a non-middle trade scenario look like back then...

[TheFuture]

All I know is that if the Wolves can simply land a couple more #1 draft pick/max guys... we're definitely, maybe, possibly going to have a legitimately promising future.

The whole point is a complete lack of direction.

Our organization goes middle on everything.

You do not win that way. In anything.

Unless you're a woman and threesomes are your thing.

Ok. So I see a disconnect there. I guess I thought trading young guys for a top 20ish player and giving a max to Wiggins were actually pretty bold moves.

You see it as a half-measure take? What would a non-middle trade scenario look like back then...

I believe you continue to draft until you're actually halfway relevant before you splurge on a big name like Jimmy.

We literally had the #7 pick and fans thought trading for Jimmy was going to do something...

With a 2nd year coach, who happened to also be the POBO. I believe he signed Gorgui to a reckless contract. Teague too. Gibson. Traded his #5 from the previous year and #7 pick, with another previous lottery pick for his injury ridden man-crush.

If we were fringe playoff or an 8th seed at the time, I'd get it. There was no reason to believe we still wouldn't half-suck.

If you want to non-middle right now then offer Gorgui, Teague, and this year's first to OKC for Chris Paul + change. Test it. If it fails, then offload RoCo next s season, KAT the year after, let Paul and Wiggins expire and embrace the full rebuild again.

[Wolvesfan21]

I hated the Butler deal as well. I hated signing Wiggins to the max too. I would have kept LaVine around and just kept adding pieces through the draft (of course resigning KAT, duh). Never overpaying for older players to sort of "win now." Hopefully by playing the long game you end up with Doncic and you are golden.

I never agreed with shoving all in to "win now". That was a poor move by Thibs the coach who couldn't accept more losing seasons while eventually building a contending team.

[AbeVigodaLive]

All I know is that if the Wolves can simply land a couple more #1 draft pick/max guys... we're definitely, maybe, possibly going to have a legitimately promising future.

The whole point is a complete lack of direction.

Our organization goes middle on everything.

You do not win that way. In anything.

Unless you're a woman and threesomes are your thing.

Ok. So I see a disconnect there. I guess I thought trading young guys for a top 20ish player and giving a max to Wiggins were actually pretty bold moves.

You see it as a half-measure take? What would a non-middle trade scenario look like back then...

I believe you continue to draft until you're actually halfway relevant before you splurge on a big name like Jimmy.

We literally had the #7 pick and fans thought trading for Jimmy was going to do something...

With a 2nd year coach, who happened to also be the POBO. I believe he signed Gorgui to a reckless contract. Teague too. Gibson. Traded his #5 from the previous year and #7 pick, with another previous lottery pick for his injury ridden man-crush.

If we were fringe playoff or an 8th seed at the time, I'd get it. There was no reason to believe we still wouldn't half-suck.

If you want to non-middle right now then offer Gorgui, Teague, and this year's first to OKC for Chris Paul + change. Test it. If it fails, then offload RoCo next s season, KAT the year after, let Paul and Wiggins expire and embrace the full rebuild again.

The team had TWO #1 draft picks (and max contract guys).

I guess I don't know what else could reasonably be expected from an up-and-coming team.

As noted... FOUR #1 draft pick superstars?


[Note: Just curious... how long have you been following the Wolves? Did you suffer through all those losing seasons? It might shed some context into our difference of opinion...]

[TheFuture]

All I know is that if the Wolves can simply land a couple more #1 draft pick/max guys... we're definitely, maybe, possibly going to have a legitimately promising future.

The whole point is a complete lack of direction.

Our organization goes middle on everything.

You do not win that way. In anything.

Unless you're a woman and threesomes are your thing.

Ok. So I see a disconnect there. I guess I thought trading young guys for a top 20ish player and giving a max to Wiggins were actually pretty bold moves.

You see it as a half-measure take? What would a non-middle trade scenario look like back then...

I believe you continue to draft until you're actually halfway relevant before you splurge on a big name like Jimmy.

We literally had the #7 pick and fans thought trading for Jimmy was going to do something...

With a 2nd year coach, who happened to also be the POBO. I believe he signed Gorgui to a reckless contract. Teague too. Gibson. Traded his #5 from the previous year and #7 pick, with another previous lottery pick for his injury ridden man-crush.

If we were fringe playoff or an 8th seed at the time, I'd get it. There was no reason to believe we still wouldn't half-suck.

If you want to non-middle right now then offer Gorgui, Teague, and this year's first to OKC for Chris Paul + change. Test it. If it fails, then offload RoCo next s season, KAT the year after, let Paul and Wiggins expire and embrace the full rebuild again.

The team had TWO #1 draft picks (and max contract guys).

I guess I don't know what else could reasonably be expected from an up-and-coming team.

As noted... FOUR #1 draft pick superstars?


[Note: Just curious... how long have you been following the Wolves? Did you suffer through all those losing seasons? It might shed some context into our difference of opinion...]

You're glossing over my main point about when adding talent makes sense. You don't do it when you suck, especially when you have super teams sitting in front of you. It's not that difficult to understand.

"I personally love watching my franchise reach the playoffs. I know they'll inevitably lose, but it entertains me for another week. That was fun. Try again next year boys!".

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

All I know is that if the Wolves can simply land a couple more #1 draft pick/max guys... we're definitely, maybe, possibly going to have a legitimately promising future.

The whole point is a complete lack of direction.

Our organization goes middle on everything.

You do not win that way. In anything.

Unless you're a woman and threesomes are your thing.

Ok. So I see a disconnect there. I guess I thought trading young guys for a top 20ish player and giving a max to Wiggins were actually pretty bold moves.

You see it as a half-measure take? What would a non-middle trade scenario look like back then...

I believe you continue to draft until you're actually halfway relevant before you splurge on a big name like Jimmy.

We literally had the #7 pick and fans thought trading for Jimmy was going to do something...

With a 2nd year coach, who happened to also be the POBO. I believe he signed Gorgui to a reckless contract. Teague too. Gibson. Traded his #5 from the previous year and #7 pick, with another previous lottery pick for his injury ridden man-crush.

If we were fringe playoff or an 8th seed at the time, I'd get it. There was no reason to believe we still wouldn't half-suck.

If you want to non-middle right now then offer Gorgui, Teague, and this year's first to OKC for Chris Paul + change. Test it. If it fails, then offload RoCo next s season, KAT the year after, let Paul and Wiggins expire and embrace the full rebuild again.

We had two number one picks beginning their rookie max contracts. There literally isn't a better time to land a 3rd star with that duo. You have them locked up for 5 years and you get to get them playoff experience ahead of schedule to know what it takes to win in this league. That was literally the time you are supposed to make the move. You have the most flexibility you will have with their fresh max deals over waiting a few years as those deals get even bigger. The Jimmy/veteran plan worked for 1 year. We made the playoffs, Towns and Wiggins got slapped around by a real team and we were supposed to take that into the following year where they continued to improve their play with steady vets around them giving them competent play to work with. Jimmy blew it up before that could happen, but that's exactly what you want to do with two young players you treat as your foundation.

Nobody else is the Warriors with 3 building blocks and the opportunity to add a Durant without losing one of the 3. The Sixers have Embiid and Simmons. The Bucks have Giannis and Middleton. The Celtics have Tatum and Brown. The Nuggets have Jokic and Murray. The Trailblazers have Dame and CJ. The Rockets have Luka and Porzingas. The Rockets had Harden and CP3/now Westbrook. The Jazz have Gobert and Mitchell. You don't get 3 building blocks outside of being the Warriors. You get 2 and some teams are lucky enough to add a 3rd guy to their 2 pieces and we took that chance when we had it. It didn't work out, but that's exactly the move you are supposed to make in this league to keep you team good and your young talent playing good basketball so they maybe, just maybe will stay at the end of these deals. Jimmy Butler is leading the second best team in the East right now. While the West is tougher I would put Jimmy/Wiggins/KAT of this season against any team in the West not located in LA and those LA teams are fragile and could fall apart in any game with an injury opening the door for the rest of the conference.

Jimmy blew it up. That sucks. That doesn't make it the wrong move.

[TheFuture]

All I know is that if the Wolves can simply land a couple more #1 draft pick/max guys... we're definitely, maybe, possibly going to have a legitimately promising future.

The whole point is a complete lack of direction.

Our organization goes middle on everything.

You do not win that way. In anything.

Unless you're a woman and threesomes are your thing.

Ok. So I see a disconnect there. I guess I thought trading young guys for a top 20ish player and giving a max to Wiggins were actually pretty bold moves.

You see it as a half-measure take? What would a non-middle trade scenario look like back then...

I believe you continue to draft until you're actually halfway relevant before you splurge on a big name like Jimmy.

We literally had the #7 pick and fans thought trading for Jimmy was going to do something...

With a 2nd year coach, who happened to also be the POBO. I believe he signed Gorgui to a reckless contract. Teague too. Gibson. Traded his #5 from the previous year and #7 pick, with another previous lottery pick for his injury ridden man-crush.

If we were fringe playoff or an 8th seed at the time, I'd get it. There was no reason to believe we still wouldn't half-suck.

If you want to non-middle right now then offer Gorgui, Teague, and this year's first to OKC for Chris Paul + change. Test it. If it fails, then offload RoCo next s season, KAT the year after, let Paul and Wiggins expire and embrace the full rebuild again.

We had two number one picks beginning their rookie max contracts. There literally isn't a better time to land a 3rd star with that duo. You have them locked up for 5 years and you get to get them playoff experience ahead of schedule to know what it takes to win in this league. That was literally the time you are supposed to make the move. You have the most flexibility you will have with their fresh max deals over waiting a few years as those deals get even bigger. The Jimmy/veteran plan worked for 1 year. We made the playoffs, Towns and Wiggins got slapped around by a real team and we were supposed to take that into the following year where they continued to improve their play with steady vets around them giving them competent play to work with. Jimmy blew it up before that could happen, but that's exactly what you want to do with two young players you treat as your foundation.

Nobody else is the Warriors with 3 building blocks and the opportunity to add a Durant without losing one of the 3. The Sixers have Embiid and Simmons. The Bucks have Giannis and Middleton. The Celtics have Tatum and Brown. The Nuggets have Jokic and Murray. The Trailblazers have Dame and CJ. The Rockets have Luka and Porzingas. The Rockets had Harden and CP3/now Westbrook. The Jazz have Gobert and Mitchell. You don't get 3 building blocks outside of being the Warriors. You get 2 and some teams are lucky enough to add a 3rd guy to their 2 pieces and we took that chance when we had it. It didn't work out, but that's exactly the move you are supposed to make in this league to keep you team good and your young talent playing good basketball so they maybe, just maybe will stay at the end of these deals. Jimmy Butler is leading the second best team in the East right now. While the West is tougher I would put Jimmy/Wiggins/KAT of this season against any team in the West not located in LA and those LA teams are fragile and could fall apart in any game with an injury opening the door for the rest of the conference.

Jimmy blew it up. That sucks. That doesn't make it the wrong move.

It is called not being stupid.

When you see the writing on the wall that is GSW, LeBron, Houston, etc. You absolutely do not push all your chips in.

Unless you're stupid...

Wiggins wasn't showing a semblance of stardom. KAT was only an offensive player (still is). We add an abrasive coach/POBO who brings in half his old team because he actually can't be a HEAD COACH.

[kekgeek]

All I know is that if the Wolves can simply land a couple more #1 draft pick/max guys... we're definitely, maybe, possibly going to have a legitimately promising future.

The whole point is a complete lack of direction.

Our organization goes middle on everything.

You do not win that way. In anything.

Unless you're a woman and threesomes are your thing.

Ok. So I see a disconnect there. I guess I thought trading young guys for a top 20ish player and giving a max to Wiggins were actually pretty bold moves.

You see it as a half-measure take? What would a non-middle trade scenario look like back then...

I believe you continue to draft until you're actually halfway relevant before you splurge on a big name like Jimmy.

We literally had the #7 pick and fans thought trading for Jimmy was going to do something...

With a 2nd year coach, who happened to also be the POBO. I believe he signed Gorgui to a reckless contract. Teague too. Gibson. Traded his #5 from the previous year and #7 pick, with another previous lottery pick for his injury ridden man-crush.

If we were fringe playoff or an 8th seed at the time, I'd get it. There was no reason to believe we still wouldn't half-suck.

If you want to non-middle right now then offer Gorgui, Teague, and this year's first to OKC for Chris Paul + change. Test it. If it fails, then offload RoCo next s season, KAT the year after, let Paul and Wiggins expire and embrace the full rebuild again.

We had two number one picks beginning their rookie max contracts. There literally isn't a better time to land a 3rd star with that duo. You have them locked up for 5 years and you get to get them playoff experience ahead of schedule to know what it takes to win in this league. That was literally the time you are supposed to make the move. You have the most flexibility you will have with their fresh max deals over waiting a few years as those deals get even bigger. The Jimmy/veteran plan worked for 1 year. We made the playoffs, Towns and Wiggins got slapped around by a real team and we were supposed to take that into the following year where they continued to improve their play with steady vets around them giving them competent play to work with. Jimmy blew it up before that could happen, but that's exactly what you want to do with two young players you treat as your foundation.

Nobody else is the Warriors with 3 building blocks and the opportunity to add a Durant without losing one of the 3. The Sixers have Embiid and Simmons. The Bucks have Giannis and Middleton. The Celtics have Tatum and Brown. The Nuggets have Jokic and Murray. The Trailblazers have Dame and CJ. The Rockets have Luka and Porzingas. The Rockets had Harden and CP3/now Westbrook. The Jazz have Gobert and Mitchell. You don't get 3 building blocks outside of being the Warriors. You get 2 and some teams are lucky enough to add a 3rd guy to their 2 pieces and we took that chance when we had it. It didn't work out, but that's exactly the move you are supposed to make in this league to keep you team good and your young talent playing good basketball so they maybe, just maybe will stay at the end of these deals. Jimmy Butler is leading the second best team in the East right now. While the West is tougher I would put Jimmy/Wiggins/KAT of this season against any team in the West not located in LA and those LA teams are fragile and could fall apart in any game with an injury opening the door for the rest of the conference.

Jimmy blew it up. That sucks. That doesn't make it the wrong move.

These are my thoughts exactly. I will also like to point out that Thibs never traded a 1st round pick without getting one back. We in theory had 3 stars (2 All NBA guys) and every single pick going forward. Also with big contracts like Teague and Gorgui to make trades going forward.

If Wolves could of made it work they could be trading Teague and Gorgui, possibly with the 1st round pick for Chris Paul. We have a legit chance at winning the title.

It didn't work and that sucks ass but it legit gave the wolves a path to a title that I don't think Lavine, Lauri and Dunn could of done.