Danger danger danger! (Wolves vs. Cavs)
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BizarroJerry [enjin:6592520]
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Re: Danger danger danger! (Wolves vs. Cavs)
Should we tell Jimmy we're winning without him?
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crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]
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Re: Danger danger danger! (Wolves vs. Cavs)
https://twitter.com/JonKrawczynski/status/1067238047614423040
Looks like wiggys days might be numbered.
Might be best for both sides to find a deal rather than a simple benching.
Wiggs simply isnt meshing with Thibs for whatever reason. He went from a 20 ppg volume scoring 20 year old under Flip to basically a guy who stands in the corner under thibs.
Looks like wiggys days might be numbered.
Might be best for both sides to find a deal rather than a simple benching.
Wiggs simply isnt meshing with Thibs for whatever reason. He went from a 20 ppg volume scoring 20 year old under Flip to basically a guy who stands in the corner under thibs.
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khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]
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Re: Danger danger danger! (Wolves vs. Cavs)
crazy-canuck wrote:https://twitter.com/JonKrawczynski/status/1067238047614423040
Looks like wiggys days might be numbered.
Might be best for both sides to find a deal rather than a simple benching.
Wiggs simply isnt meshing with Thibs for whatever reason. He went from a 20 ppg volume scoring 20 year old under Flip to basically a guy who stands in the corner under thibs.
I mean if you look at the contracts Thibs is the one on borrowed time, not Wiggins. Also, who are you trading him for? He's one of the most difficult contracts in the league to move.
Re: Danger danger danger! (Wolves vs. Cavs)
khans2k5 wrote:crazy-canuck wrote:https://twitter.com/JonKrawczynski/status/1067238047614423040
Looks like wiggys days might be numbered.
Might be best for both sides to find a deal rather than a simple benching.
Wiggs simply isnt meshing with Thibs for whatever reason. He went from a 20 ppg volume scoring 20 year old under Flip to basically a guy who stands in the corner under thibs.
I mean if you look at the contracts Thibs is the one on borrowed time, not Wiggins. Also, who are you trading him for? He's one of the most difficult contracts in the league to move.
Also even though Wiggins didn't play good tonight. He was the only wolf with multiple rebs/asts/stls/blks. He also had 0 turnovers.
We also got to remember Wiggins is dealing with a quad issue. (Not an excuse he goes through streaks of very poor play his whole career).
Isn't this what we've always wanted from our coaches, play the guys who are playing well that game.
Wiggins is a hard contract to trade.
If okogie starts taking minutes from Wiggins then an argument might be made his days are numbered.
We are 6-2 since the Jimmy trade, it's not time to trade every player that is not playing well. Teague and Wiggins are frustrating me no doubt but we are winning. I mean 2 weeks ago people who don't like Wiggins game thought he took a step forward.
This is Wiggins, super streaky player. Good and the Bad. I do like that we are now winning games when Wiggins is shooting terribly, in part to Wiggins defense (whole team including thibs deserves credit for this turnaround). Based on eye test I would say Wiggins has made a positive impact in 3 of the last 4 games in other areas even though he is shooting terribly
Re: Danger danger danger! (Wolves vs. Cavs)
crazy-canuck wrote:https://twitter.com/JonKrawczynski/status/1067238047614423040
Looks like wiggys days might be numbered.
Might be best for both sides to find a deal rather than a simple benching.
Wiggs simply isnt meshing with Thibs for whatever reason. He went from a 20 ppg volume scoring 20 year old under Flip to basically a guy who stands in the corner under thibs.
Thibs addressed it in the post game saying Wiggs will play most 4th quarters.
https://soundcloud.com/wolves-radio/tom-thibodeau-postgame-80
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crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]
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Re: Danger danger danger! (Wolves vs. Cavs)
kekgeek1 wrote:khans2k5 wrote:crazy-canuck wrote:https://twitter.com/JonKrawczynski/status/1067238047614423040
Looks like wiggys days might be numbered.
Might be best for both sides to find a deal rather than a simple benching.
Wiggs simply isnt meshing with Thibs for whatever reason. He went from a 20 ppg volume scoring 20 year old under Flip to basically a guy who stands in the corner under thibs.
I mean if you look at the contracts Thibs is the one on borrowed time, not Wiggins. Also, who are you trading him for? He's one of the most difficult contracts in the league to move.
Also even though Wiggins didn't play good tonight. He was the only wolf with multiple rebs/asts/stls/blks. He also had 0 turnovers.
We also got to remember Wiggins is dealing with a quad issue. (Not an excuse he goes through streaks of very poor play his whole career).
Isn't this what we've always wanted from our coaches, play the guys who are playing well that game.
Wiggins is a hard contract to trade.
If okogie starts taking minutes from Wiggins then an argument might be made his days are numbered.
We are 6-2 since the Jimmy trade, it's not time to trade every player that is not playing well. Teague and Wiggins are frustrating me no doubt but we are winning. I mean 2 weeks ago people who don't like Wiggins game thought he took a step forward.
This is Wiggins, super streaky player. Good and the Bad. I do like that we are now winning games when Wiggins is shooting terribly, in part to Wiggins defense (whole team including thibs deserves credit for this turnaround). Based on eye test I would say Wiggins has made a positive impact in 3 of the last 4 games in other areas even though he is shooting terribly
He does need to get benched to send a message. His benching the other game was well warranted. You want him to do other stuff if the shot isnt falling.
Then when his shot isnt falling, but he is doing "other stuff" on the court, he gets benched in favor of a guy who was worse on both ends (Teague). Bit of a mixed message.
Re: Danger danger danger! (Wolves vs. Cavs)
I thought Thibs was right to keep Wiggins on the bench in the 4th. I would have preferred Tyus over Teague in the 4th, but we won the game so I won't complain. Wiggins was still shooting poorly and taking bad shots - i.e., long twos. And with one exception, he wasn't attacking the rim, drawing only one foul and that was out by the free throw line. But Wiggins did do other stuff tonight. I loved his two blocked shots and he also got a couple steals. I don't think Thibodeau sat him in the 4th as some kind of punishment or message. Instead, I think Thibodeau rightly concluded that given the way he was shooting, Wiggins wouldn't be a net positive asset down the stretch.
Further, it's really hard to win in the NBA today without having at least two good ballhandlers on the court. As I've mentioned several times, Covington and Wiggins don't fit well together because neither is much of a ball handler who can create shots for himself. Both are essentially 3 & D guys, except that Wiggins remains a potential 3 & D player while Covington is already a terrific 3&D guy. It's hard to see how those two can coexist long term if the Wolves are going to become a contender.
I'd still like to see Wiggins play under a better head coach because, in spite of his faults, I think Thibodeau's coaching has failed to get the most out of Wiggins' game. But I still don't see Wiggins fitting in long term here if we keep Covington. And I think it would be insane not to keep Covington at least for the duration of his contract. The problem is that it's hard to envision the Wolves getting much value in return for Wiggins given his reputation, contract and downward trajectory. Actually, if it weren't for the contract, I'd have no problem keeping Wiggins. By all accounts, he's a good teammate with a lot of talent who has proven he can score points. And while I think some exaggerate his defensive improvement, there's no doubt in my mind that his defense has improved in the past year. But that max contract is so out of synch with what Wiggins provides on the court. And his skill set just doesn't fit well paired next to a 3&D SF like Covington.
Further, it's really hard to win in the NBA today without having at least two good ballhandlers on the court. As I've mentioned several times, Covington and Wiggins don't fit well together because neither is much of a ball handler who can create shots for himself. Both are essentially 3 & D guys, except that Wiggins remains a potential 3 & D player while Covington is already a terrific 3&D guy. It's hard to see how those two can coexist long term if the Wolves are going to become a contender.
I'd still like to see Wiggins play under a better head coach because, in spite of his faults, I think Thibodeau's coaching has failed to get the most out of Wiggins' game. But I still don't see Wiggins fitting in long term here if we keep Covington. And I think it would be insane not to keep Covington at least for the duration of his contract. The problem is that it's hard to envision the Wolves getting much value in return for Wiggins given his reputation, contract and downward trajectory. Actually, if it weren't for the contract, I'd have no problem keeping Wiggins. By all accounts, he's a good teammate with a lot of talent who has proven he can score points. And while I think some exaggerate his defensive improvement, there's no doubt in my mind that his defense has improved in the past year. But that max contract is so out of synch with what Wiggins provides on the court. And his skill set just doesn't fit well paired next to a 3&D SF like Covington.
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Re: Danger danger danger! (Wolves vs. Cavs)
Late-late DVR Viewing Recap:
- I'd like to see Jeff Teague's splits by quarter. Sometimes, he starts off super aggressive and does well... only to slowly disappear and melt into pound-the-ball Teague as the game goes on. Obviously, Sexton drew his ire early and then as Sexton cooled... it seemed like Teague just went along for the ride. He made 3 or 4 (or more?) absolutely terrible plays in the 4th quarter. The over-dribbling + not taking open shots when open, only to take a much more difficult shot instead is mind-boggling at this point. Those aren't things that a veteran NBA PG should be doing. We all know this... but still.
Make or miss shots... but be aggressive. Please.
- Robert Covington is fun. He brings great energy and we have to hope his defense is contagious. I think the best play of his was merely going vertical to challenge Sexton as he drove the lane on a fast break late. He didn't try to block the shot or steal the ball... he just tried to make things more difficult for the rookie. Smart. Energy. It worked. Sexton missed.
- I thought this was one of the worst games I've seen Taj Gibson play. Maybe ever? But he got more run than he has been. Ummm... ok. Obviously, Gibson is a seasoned quality vet who expects a significant role and minutes. So what do the Wolves do with Saric? He only played 18 minutes tonight. I think both guys deserve more than 20 - 24 mpg.
- How much of the stagnant ball movement is from Teague? Towns? Thibs? I have no idea... but obviously, we're all noticing it.
- Tristan Thompson is only 27. WHAT? He seems so much older... his game. The way he looks. My memory... Will be interesting how the 2nd half of his career goes, considering he's a bit of a dinosaur in the way he plays. Obviously, his next contract will be a fraction of his current one... but we're going to be seeing him for a few more years.
- Kyle Korver was auditioning for a playoff team last night. It's amazing how guys like him and Redick can load up and fire (and hit) shots so quickly.
- I don't like Sexton's game. I didn't like it in college either.
- Rodney Hood looks really smooth. But in the end, he'll always be a bit meh as a player. That being said... he signed a 1 year $3.5M deal with Cleveland this offseason. What would Andrew Wiggins be worthy if he was on the open market this summer...
- I thought Channing Frye was done. Nope. There he was on the Cavs bench. Apparently, Gilbert didn't get the memo that LeBron James left when they signed him?
- I'd like to see Jeff Teague's splits by quarter. Sometimes, he starts off super aggressive and does well... only to slowly disappear and melt into pound-the-ball Teague as the game goes on. Obviously, Sexton drew his ire early and then as Sexton cooled... it seemed like Teague just went along for the ride. He made 3 or 4 (or more?) absolutely terrible plays in the 4th quarter. The over-dribbling + not taking open shots when open, only to take a much more difficult shot instead is mind-boggling at this point. Those aren't things that a veteran NBA PG should be doing. We all know this... but still.
Make or miss shots... but be aggressive. Please.
- Robert Covington is fun. He brings great energy and we have to hope his defense is contagious. I think the best play of his was merely going vertical to challenge Sexton as he drove the lane on a fast break late. He didn't try to block the shot or steal the ball... he just tried to make things more difficult for the rookie. Smart. Energy. It worked. Sexton missed.
- I thought this was one of the worst games I've seen Taj Gibson play. Maybe ever? But he got more run than he has been. Ummm... ok. Obviously, Gibson is a seasoned quality vet who expects a significant role and minutes. So what do the Wolves do with Saric? He only played 18 minutes tonight. I think both guys deserve more than 20 - 24 mpg.
- How much of the stagnant ball movement is from Teague? Towns? Thibs? I have no idea... but obviously, we're all noticing it.
- Tristan Thompson is only 27. WHAT? He seems so much older... his game. The way he looks. My memory... Will be interesting how the 2nd half of his career goes, considering he's a bit of a dinosaur in the way he plays. Obviously, his next contract will be a fraction of his current one... but we're going to be seeing him for a few more years.
- Kyle Korver was auditioning for a playoff team last night. It's amazing how guys like him and Redick can load up and fire (and hit) shots so quickly.
- I don't like Sexton's game. I didn't like it in college either.
- Rodney Hood looks really smooth. But in the end, he'll always be a bit meh as a player. That being said... he signed a 1 year $3.5M deal with Cleveland this offseason. What would Andrew Wiggins be worthy if he was on the open market this summer...
- I thought Channing Frye was done. Nope. There he was on the Cavs bench. Apparently, Gilbert didn't get the memo that LeBron James left when they signed him?
Re: Danger danger danger! (Wolves vs. Cavs)
crazy-canuck wrote:lipoli390 wrote:Classic. The ball in Wiggins' hands to close a quarter. Wiggins casually brings the ball up and then launches a contested long two. And misses. Wow.
Read somewhere that peterson saw a wolves practice and watched the coaching staff make wiggs shoot nothing but midrange jumpers.
Its apparently what thibs want.
Dane Moore has said that Wiggins warms up with lots of long 2's. Personally I actually don't have a problem with the shot he got at the end there. I've seen much much worse.
Re: Danger danger danger! (Wolves vs. Cavs)
A couple thoughts:
Teague went after Sexton on both ends and had some good plays helping off the ball also. Man he struggled late in the game but having him close made a lot of sense.
Wiggins did a lot of the so shot stuff people want to see. Personally I didn't hate some of the shots he took. A couple were less optimal but nobody talked about the simple easy smooth plays he made to some Towns. Yes it was against the Cavs but there were a few times he took his time and made the right play. I was actually quite happy with his play.
Jim Pete keeps harping on Towns passing. I think he is dead on. You could also wonder about if the spacing is good and holding him back. You have to wonder though if there is really a deficit there. Thibs utilizes Noah in running the offense through him. Some here have asked to see that from the elbows.
You can argue Derrick Rose is the Wolves best offensive player and that's not taking a shot at Towns. Rose was more patient at times tonight then took over at the end of the game...like a star player would. What a hell of a signing and props to Rose for improving his game.
Teague went after Sexton on both ends and had some good plays helping off the ball also. Man he struggled late in the game but having him close made a lot of sense.
Wiggins did a lot of the so shot stuff people want to see. Personally I didn't hate some of the shots he took. A couple were less optimal but nobody talked about the simple easy smooth plays he made to some Towns. Yes it was against the Cavs but there were a few times he took his time and made the right play. I was actually quite happy with his play.
Jim Pete keeps harping on Towns passing. I think he is dead on. You could also wonder about if the spacing is good and holding him back. You have to wonder though if there is really a deficit there. Thibs utilizes Noah in running the offense through him. Some here have asked to see that from the elbows.
You can argue Derrick Rose is the Wolves best offensive player and that's not taking a shot at Towns. Rose was more patient at times tonight then took over at the end of the game...like a star player would. What a hell of a signing and props to Rose for improving his game.