John kruk vs kat

[thedoper]

I dont think Cam was implying that Roco isnt a great basketball player to have on a team. I think what he's basically saying is that if he's your 2nd best player, you're going to suffer. This team cant afford to have multiple non-contributors on offense on the floor, regardless of the energy they provide. We just arent talented enough. We've missed Teague in a huge way, but oddly he is the one that most seem to want to get rid of here. The idea of looking at your most movable asset in Roco to acquire an all star level player is smart. We can look for a Roco when we're actually competing.

[Coolbreeze44]

There's no way to tiptoe around this. Robert Covington was a complete non-factor in this game and one of the many reasons why the Wolves lost. We just collectively don't like to point the finger at him for some reason -- probably because he's super likable and supposed to be the second-best player on the team. These kinds of games remind you just now limited his impact can be some nights. When you're still trying to find your stars to build around, you have to remember that this is the reality with 3/D players being considered building blocks. It's more dream than reality. They are 100-percent movable if you feel that you can get a star player, period.

I agree with this 100%. Roco is great but if he cant contribute on offense we suffer.

Isn't KAT and Wiggins suppose to create offense? Maybe Culver? Missing Teague also hurts as as much as we think he is overpaid, he's a still solid at distributing.

Still, the Wolves just shot the ball terribly. I doubt they shoot 13% from 3 or worse the rest of the season. It was just poor shooting. Blame anyone that went o-fer from 3 if you want I guess. I thought most of the 3 looks were acceptable. When you live by the 3 you can die by the 3.

I guess the point is, you will not get better by trading away your best defense and shooters, when that is your problem. Unless you get better defenders and shooting back. We can't shoot 3's so lets get rid of our 2nd best one.

We need more players like RoCo not less.

You can't trash Wiggins the way you routinely do, and then say he should be the one creating offense. First, he has been creating plenty offensively. Second, make up your mind, is he trash or should he be counted on for creating offense. You can't have it both ways.

[Wolvesfan21]

There's no way to tiptoe around this. Robert Covington was a complete non-factor in this game and one of the many reasons why the Wolves lost. We just collectively don't like to point the finger at him for some reason -- probably because he's super likable and supposed to be the second-best player on the team. These kinds of games remind you just now limited his impact can be some nights. When you're still trying to find your stars to build around, you have to remember that this is the reality with 3/D players being considered building blocks. It's more dream than reality. They are 100-percent movable if you feel that you can get a star player, period.

I agree with this 100%. Roco is great but if he cant contribute on offense we suffer.

Isn't KAT and Wiggins suppose to create offense? Maybe Culver? Missing Teague also hurts as as much as we think he is overpaid, he's a still solid at distributing.

Still, the Wolves just shot the ball terribly. I doubt they shoot 13% from 3 or worse the rest of the season. It was just poor shooting. Blame anyone that went o-fer from 3 if you want I guess. I thought most of the 3 looks were acceptable. When you live by the 3 you can die by the 3.

I guess the point is, you will not get better by trading away your best defense and shooters, when that is your problem. Unless you get better defenders and shooting back. We can't shoot 3's so lets get rid of our 2nd best one.

We need more players like RoCo not less.

You can't trash Wiggins the way you routinely do, and then say he should be the one creating offense. First, he has been creating plenty offensively. Second, make up your mind, is he trash or should he be counted on for creating offense. You can't have it both ways.

The point is that the way he is paid, at an All Star price tag, he needs to perform like one. I don't think that is too much to ask. Yes I'll give him credit for the progress this season "so far." I still think his 3 point shot is too flat to be consistent. Other then that he has been doing an acceptable job. Not All Star level, but acceptable. You can say his clutch stats are great and they are, I just want to see it more consistently throughout the game. Not have to rely on last minute heroics.

So yes he has been trash compared to his since signing the big salary, among the worst starting 2 guards in the league. This season has been better. Let's see him improve on it or keep it up.

Bottom line, Wiggins should be creating offense, if not trade him, not RoCo.

[Coolbreeze44]

There's no way to tiptoe around this. Robert Covington was a complete non-factor in this game and one of the many reasons why the Wolves lost. We just collectively don't like to point the finger at him for some reason -- probably because he's super likable and supposed to be the second-best player on the team. These kinds of games remind you just now limited his impact can be some nights. When you're still trying to find your stars to build around, you have to remember that this is the reality with 3/D players being considered building blocks. It's more dream than reality. They are 100-percent movable if you feel that you can get a star player, period.

I agree with this 100%. Roco is great but if he cant contribute on offense we suffer.

Isn't KAT and Wiggins suppose to create offense? Maybe Culver? Missing Teague also hurts as as much as we think he is overpaid, he's a still solid at distributing.

Still, the Wolves just shot the ball terribly. I doubt they shoot 13% from 3 or worse the rest of the season. It was just poor shooting. Blame anyone that went o-fer from 3 if you want I guess. I thought most of the 3 looks were acceptable. When you live by the 3 you can die by the 3.

I guess the point is, you will not get better by trading away your best defense and shooters, when that is your problem. Unless you get better defenders and shooting back. We can't shoot 3's so lets get rid of our 2nd best one.

We need more players like RoCo not less.

You can't trash Wiggins the way you routinely do, and then say he should be the one creating offense. First, he has been creating plenty offensively. Second, make up your mind, is he trash or should he be counted on for creating offense. You can't have it both ways.

The point is that the way he is paid, at an All Star price tag, he needs to perform like one. I don't think that is too much to ask. Yes I'll give him credit for the progress this season "so far." I still think his 3 point shot is too flat to be consistent. Other then that he has been doing an acceptable job. Not All Star level, but acceptable. You can say his clutch stats are great and they are, I just want to see it more consistently throughout the game. Not have to rely on last minute heroics.

So yes he has been trash compared to his since signing the big salary, among the worst starting 2 guards in the league. This season has been better. Let's see him improve on it or keep it up.

Bottom line, Wiggins should be creating offense, if not trade him, not RoCo.

Why trade anybody? And as far as performing at an all star level, you yourself has said he sucks on this forum about 150 times. So how can you have all star expectations for him? Again what's it going to be? He probably isn't going to ever live up to that contract, but wouldn't it be great if he did or came close?

[Monster]

We must have the worst defense against last second half court heaves.

Or we are a cursed team.

Or?

LMAO HAHAHA

[Wolvesfan21]

There's no way to tiptoe around this. Robert Covington was a complete non-factor in this game and one of the many reasons why the Wolves lost. We just collectively don't like to point the finger at him for some reason -- probably because he's super likable and supposed to be the second-best player on the team. These kinds of games remind you just now limited his impact can be some nights. When you're still trying to find your stars to build around, you have to remember that this is the reality with 3/D players being considered building blocks. It's more dream than reality. They are 100-percent movable if you feel that you can get a star player, period.

I agree with this 100%. Roco is great but if he cant contribute on offense we suffer.

Isn't KAT and Wiggins suppose to create offense? Maybe Culver? Missing Teague also hurts as as much as we think he is overpaid, he's a still solid at distributing.

Still, the Wolves just shot the ball terribly. I doubt they shoot 13% from 3 or worse the rest of the season. It was just poor shooting. Blame anyone that went o-fer from 3 if you want I guess. I thought most of the 3 looks were acceptable. When you live by the 3 you can die by the 3.

I guess the point is, you will not get better by trading away your best defense and shooters, when that is your problem. Unless you get better defenders and shooting back. We can't shoot 3's so lets get rid of our 2nd best one.

We need more players like RoCo not less.

You can't trash Wiggins the way you routinely do, and then say he should be the one creating offense. First, he has been creating plenty offensively. Second, make up your mind, is he trash or should he be counted on for creating offense. You can't have it both ways.

The point is that the way he is paid, at an All Star price tag, he needs to perform like one. I don't think that is too much to ask. Yes I'll give him credit for the progress this season "so far." I still think his 3 point shot is too flat to be consistent. Other then that he has been doing an acceptable job. Not All Star level, but acceptable. You can say his clutch stats are great and they are, I just want to see it more consistently throughout the game. Not have to rely on last minute heroics.

So yes he has been trash compared to his since signing the big salary, among the worst starting 2 guards in the league. This season has been better. Let's see him improve on it or keep it up.

Bottom line, Wiggins should be creating offense, if not trade him, not RoCo.

Why trade anybody? And as far as performing at an all star level, you yourself has said he sucks on this forum about 150 times. So how can you have all star expectations for him? Again what's it going to be? He probably isn't going to ever live up to that contract, but wouldn't it be great if he did or came close?

What is your goal? I want to see the Wolves win a championhip. You can't win a championship unless your players are outperforming their contracts. Wiggins isn't, so he is holding the team back by doing so. That's the simple answer.

[Coolbreeze44]

There's no way to tiptoe around this. Robert Covington was a complete non-factor in this game and one of the many reasons why the Wolves lost. We just collectively don't like to point the finger at him for some reason -- probably because he's super likable and supposed to be the second-best player on the team. These kinds of games remind you just now limited his impact can be some nights. When you're still trying to find your stars to build around, you have to remember that this is the reality with 3/D players being considered building blocks. It's more dream than reality. They are 100-percent movable if you feel that you can get a star player, period.

I agree with this 100%. Roco is great but if he cant contribute on offense we suffer.

Isn't KAT and Wiggins suppose to create offense? Maybe Culver? Missing Teague also hurts as as much as we think he is overpaid, he's a still solid at distributing.

Still, the Wolves just shot the ball terribly. I doubt they shoot 13% from 3 or worse the rest of the season. It was just poor shooting. Blame anyone that went o-fer from 3 if you want I guess. I thought most of the 3 looks were acceptable. When you live by the 3 you can die by the 3.

I guess the point is, you will not get better by trading away your best defense and shooters, when that is your problem. Unless you get better defenders and shooting back. We can't shoot 3's so lets get rid of our 2nd best one.

We need more players like RoCo not less.

You can't trash Wiggins the way you routinely do, and then say he should be the one creating offense. First, he has been creating plenty offensively. Second, make up your mind, is he trash or should he be counted on for creating offense. You can't have it both ways.

The point is that the way he is paid, at an All Star price tag, he needs to perform like one. I don't think that is too much to ask. Yes I'll give him credit for the progress this season "so far." I still think his 3 point shot is too flat to be consistent. Other then that he has been doing an acceptable job. Not All Star level, but acceptable. You can say his clutch stats are great and they are, I just want to see it more consistently throughout the game. Not have to rely on last minute heroics.

So yes he has been trash compared to his since signing the big salary, among the worst starting 2 guards in the league. This season has been better. Let's see him improve on it or keep it up.

Bottom line, Wiggins should be creating offense, if not trade him, not RoCo.

Why trade anybody? And as far as performing at an all star level, you yourself has said he sucks on this forum about 150 times. So how can you have all star expectations for him? Again what's it going to be? He probably isn't going to ever live up to that contract, but wouldn't it be great if he did or came close?

What is your goal? I want to see the Wolves win a championhip. You can't win a championship unless your players are outperforming their contracts. Wiggins isn't, so he is holding the team back by doing so. That's the simple answer.

We have the same goal. And again, you keep going back to the same rhetoric. You've made it very clear you don't think he is any good. All I'm saying is if that's the case, believe your own words and stop beating the dead horse. Who are you trying to convince at this point? Yourself?

[Wolvesfan21]

There's no way to tiptoe around this. Robert Covington was a complete non-factor in this game and one of the many reasons why the Wolves lost. We just collectively don't like to point the finger at him for some reason -- probably because he's super likable and supposed to be the second-best player on the team. These kinds of games remind you just now limited his impact can be some nights. When you're still trying to find your stars to build around, you have to remember that this is the reality with 3/D players being considered building blocks. It's more dream than reality. They are 100-percent movable if you feel that you can get a star player, period.

I agree with this 100%. Roco is great but if he cant contribute on offense we suffer.

Isn't KAT and Wiggins suppose to create offense? Maybe Culver? Missing Teague also hurts as as much as we think he is overpaid, he's a still solid at distributing.

Still, the Wolves just shot the ball terribly. I doubt they shoot 13% from 3 or worse the rest of the season. It was just poor shooting. Blame anyone that went o-fer from 3 if you want I guess. I thought most of the 3 looks were acceptable. When you live by the 3 you can die by the 3.

I guess the point is, you will not get better by trading away your best defense and shooters, when that is your problem. Unless you get better defenders and shooting back. We can't shoot 3's so lets get rid of our 2nd best one.

We need more players like RoCo not less.

You can't trash Wiggins the way you routinely do, and then say he should be the one creating offense. First, he has been creating plenty offensively. Second, make up your mind, is he trash or should he be counted on for creating offense. You can't have it both ways.

The point is that the way he is paid, at an All Star price tag, he needs to perform like one. I don't think that is too much to ask. Yes I'll give him credit for the progress this season "so far." I still think his 3 point shot is too flat to be consistent. Other then that he has been doing an acceptable job. Not All Star level, but acceptable. You can say his clutch stats are great and they are, I just want to see it more consistently throughout the game. Not have to rely on last minute heroics.

So yes he has been trash compared to his since signing the big salary, among the worst starting 2 guards in the league. This season has been better. Let's see him improve on it or keep it up.

Bottom line, Wiggins should be creating offense, if not trade him, not RoCo.

Why trade anybody? And as far as performing at an all star level, you yourself has said he sucks on this forum about 150 times. So how can you have all star expectations for him? Again what's it going to be? He probably isn't going to ever live up to that contract, but wouldn't it be great if he did or came close?

What is your goal? I want to see the Wolves win a championhip. You can't win a championship unless your players are outperforming their contracts. Wiggins isn't, so he is holding the team back by doing so. That's the simple answer.

We have the same goal. And again, you keep going back to the same rhetoric. You've made it very clear you don't think he is any good. All I'm saying is if that's the case, believe your own words and stop beating the dead horse. Who are you trying to convince at this point? Yourself?

Making the most obvious point which should be common sense. People are saying to trade RoCo. He's not or hasn't been the problem with the team though, Wiggins has been. If you want to say RoCo is injury prone and his career is trending down, I might buy that better then just saying he is the problem. The problem has been Wiggins not performing, so obviously trading him is the first priority unless he shows improvement, even from this standard he is at currently this season. He could continue to get better though, that is possible.

[Coolbreeze44]

I haven't said anything about ROCO. And I'm for any trade that brings back better value in return. My problem is the expectations you have for a player who you don't believe is any good. It's like criticizing an 80 year old for a poor 40 yard dash time. Last time: if you think he sucks, stop having high expectations for him. Otherwise you're talking out both sides of your mouth. His contract is irrelevant at this point. It's done and there isn't anything that can be done about it. And I'd be the first to say he hasn't lived up to it.

[Coolbreeze44]

Well, maybe not the first :(,