Losing in LA - Wolves @ Lakers

[TheFuture]

That's the same mindset fans had on here last year and they were very happy with the moves for Aldrich and Rush. I don't think conservative moves like that will be enough to move the needle

Agree 100%

Not exactly the same scenario. Aldrich and Rush were vets signed by a brand new dual threat front office hire in Thibodeau. Were people pleasantly surprised with the signings then? I'd say so. Was anybody ecstatic thinking we got a major haul? No. The worry around here was having Thibs come in and make drastic moves right away, without having a feel for the roster. The optimism seemed to stem from his approach last offseason.

Now, I never said that we shouldn't consider any offers that come our way. I'd trade anyone not named Wiggins, LaVine, or Towns for the right deal. I was stating that we should only seek out a trade for Dieng, Aldrich, and Tyus. Dunn's value needs time to recoup otherwise we are selling way low, and Rubio's importance to this team at the PG spot is likely going to out-value any offer we go looking for.

I also question where you expect to move the needle in a trade with one of our key cogs? Does anybody realistically believe we can contend next season against the likes of GSW, SA, Houston, Cleveland, Boston, Toronto while having at least 2 of our core members being 22 years old? A Wiggins or LaVine and Dunn for Butler or George trade doesn't put us over the top. Those trades definitely will narrow our long term window though. I'd prefer 6+ years of control over Towns, Wiggins, and LaVine and expect in 2+ years that we will be looking at making some real noise in the playoffs.

People here argue that they're sick of us doing the same thing, conservative moves, losers mindset, etc.

Reality is that we have NEVER been in this position before. The previous failures were all about failing to pair Garnett and Love with a second star. If we had Wiggins with Garnett or Love at the same age we never would consider trading him. Towns came into the league with his second fiddle in Wiggins, a third in LaVine, and a good PG. Yet we want to rush it this time around. In my opinion, calculated "conservative" moves are the exact way to go in order to acquire depth.

[AbeVigodaLive]

That's the same mindset fans had on here last year and they were very happy with the moves for Aldrich and Rush. I don't think conservative moves like that will be enough to move the needle

Agree 100%

Not exactly the same scenario. Aldrich and Rush were vets signed by a brand new dual threat front office hire in Thibodeau. Were people pleasantly surprised with the signings then? I'd say so. Was anybody ecstatic thinking we got a major haul? No. The worry around here was having Thibs come in and make drastic moves right away, without having a feel for the roster. The optimism seemed to stem from his approach last offseason.

Now, I never said that we shouldn't consider any offers that come our way. I'd trade anyone not named Wiggins, LaVine, or Towns for the right deal. I was stating that we should only seek out a trade for Dieng, Aldrich, and Tyus. Dunn's value needs time to recoup otherwise we are selling way low, and Rubio's importance to this team at the PG spot is likely going to out-value any offer we go looking for.

I also question where you expect to move the needle in a trade with one of our key cogs? Does anybody realistically believe we can contend next season against the likes of GSW, SA, Houston, Cleveland, Boston, Toronto while having at least 2 of our core members being 22 years old? A Wiggins or LaVine and Dunn for Butler or George trade doesn't put us over the top. Those trades definitely will narrow our long term window though. I'd prefer 6+ years of control over Towns, Wiggins, and LaVine and expect in 2+ years that we will be looking at making some real noise in the playoffs.

People here argue that they're sick of us doing the same thing, conservative moves, losers mindset, etc.

Reality is that we have NEVER been in this position before. The previous failures were all about failing to pair Garnett and Love with a second star. If we had Wiggins with Garnett or Love at the same age we never would consider trading him. Towns came into the league with his second fiddle in Wiggins, a third in LaVine, and a good PG. Yet we want to rush it this time around. In my opinion, calculated "conservative" moves are the exact way to go in order to acquire depth.

To be fair... The Garnett + Marbury pairing had a ton of promise.

The difference was that those teams improved significantly and were playoff caliber immediately... and then improved again. To be fair, they had Gugliotta, too. But the aura of soon-to-be-Western-power was umistakable. These Wolves are on a plateau after two seasons.

I know young guys all mature and grow at a different rates, but it's not great any way we slice it that this team with a completely healthy Wiggins and Towns are going to win only 2 more games in their second year together. It's embarrassing that they're battling with Sacramento who is inept AND traded its superstar 30+ games ago for an uneven rookie.

It's simply not the type of progression that a team with TWO possibly elite players makes. Fluke? Anomaly?

Hopefully.