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AbeVigodaLive wrote:SLOW DOWN... READ THIS SLOWLY SO YOU UNDERSTAND...REREAD IF NECESSARY...

For the umpteenth time:

1. I never said I didn't watch basketball. I never said I didn't watch A LOT of basketball. Try again.
2. I never said I didn't research every stat I've ever posted. Try again.
3. I never claimed I know more than everybody else. Try again.
4. We finally have our reason for your venom...

You're "butthurt" because I must have refuted something you said at some point or another. Dude... are you really upset that I use evidence to support my takes? Think about how stupid that reads. You'd rather me make random claims that have no factual basis? Really?

If you want to make superficial, reactionary takes... you better accept being refuted if they're myopic, silly, misguided or fucking stupid. I don't post maliciously. (until a little bit right now)

That's why I TRY to use tangible evidence to support my analysis or takes. I don't see how that's a bad thing. If that hurts your feelings, or you can't handle somebody else having a differing opinion... too fucking bad. Either grow a pair or learn more about the game.

There... that felt better.



[Note: Now maybe you can stop LYING about things I never wrote. I'll put up with a lot on a message board. But not people lying about things I never wrote. I'll call you out on it... which is what I'm doing here. Fair enough?]

For the umpteenth time....
You said you can't get LeaguePass because of a girlfriend that won't let you, or gave that as the reason because you decided it sounds better than the real reason. Which means you only see games on basic cable (which to your credit you admitted). Which means you are missing out (how much can be argued, because even if one has LeaguePass, they still can't in theory watch every game). Which means when you say "player X is a good defender because I said so and that is more important than any PER or Roland", it is "superficial, reactionary, myopic, silly, misguided, or fucking stupid" take. It's actually "making random claims that have no factual basis". And I don't post that maliciously, even now.

I never said you NEVER researched. But your research is very sloppy and shortsighted designed to REFUTE, but doesn't do more than contradicts. And sorry, on a base level, when you ATTEMPT to refute someone, you are saying "AT LEAST ON THIS PARTICULAR SUBJECT, I do know more than you", whether you are right or wrong. That's just life.

And once again, you contradict, you don't refute. Refuting would mean that it is universally agreed that YOUR OPINION, which once again, does not come from watching as much basketball as you could, means more than PER and/or Roland. I'm not seeing a great deal of people doing that.

AND SOME POINT YOU CONTRADICTED SOMETHING I SAID?!??!?!? When have you not? Which is your right. Just as it is mine to point out not only how wrong you are but how sad your basis for this actually is.

Once again, this started because you ADMITTED not watching as much basketball as you could while giving a reason that may or may not be the real reason, and then very shortly thereafter, taking about your millionth shot at PER and/or Roland. All I'm saying is that if you think your half/assed, basic cable knowledge of the NBA is better than those that MAKE A LIVING AT IT and WE SHOULD LISTEN TO YOU, good luck with that.

And starting a new entry to respond is still responding.

I don't think I've ever used PER to make an argument. I know I've ripped ESPN and Hollinger often about it though. I even questioned Stevenson's PER today, in relations to others. I think it's a gimmick stat. And I don't even know what Roland measures. I know I've never used that one.

Maybe you're so incensed you have me confused with somebody else? Take a break. Breathe.
Come back with a clearer head. And fewer lies.

Happy New Years!

I finally was able to attend a game so here's my observations.

I wonder if the people who say we lost because Rubio only scored 4 points watched the game? Rubio kept pressure on the defense even though he didn't score, it wasn't like we were playing 4 on 5 on offense. In fact I would say Rubio out played Calderon (who is a pretty solid pass first PG) by a wide margin. Rubio's ability to run the offense smoothly by getting the ball to his teammates on time and in the right spot was outstanding. Pek is a good player but I actually think Rubio makes him look a little better than he would otherwise be by getting him easy baskets.

As for Shved I think there's a couple issues. First he looks like he's having zero fun out there and looks worried he'll get pulled after his first mistake. Second he is not comfortable playing with JJ at all, JJ doesn't all him to create. There's a reason his best stretch of play was while Rubio was out.

There's a number of reasons why we lost, you can blame Adelman for not putting Rubio back in or the refs missing the foul to end the game, but these are singular events. I put the loss on our interior defense, the number of uncontested or barely contested shots around the rim was ridiculous. This mostly on Love and Pek because they're around the rim the most but as a team we're just bad at it. The entire Dallas team helped out around the rim, we could barely get our bigs to do anything. We have players more than capable of challenging shots around the basket so I don't know if it's effort or poor defensive coaching but something there needs to change.

The Rage Monster wrote:I finally was able to attend a game so here's my observations.

I wonder if the people who say we lost because Rubio only scored 4 points watched the game? Rubio kept pressure on the defense even though he didn't score, it wasn't like we were playing 4 on 5 on offense. In fact I would say Rubio out played Calderon (who is a pretty solid pass first PG) by a wide margin. Rubio's ability to run the offense smoothly by getting the ball to his teammates on time and in the right spot was outstanding. Pek is a good player but I actually think Rubio makes him look a little better than he would otherwise be by getting him easy baskets.

As for Shved I think there's a couple issues. First he looks like he's having zero fun out there and looks worried he'll get pulled after his first mistake. Second he is not comfortable playing with JJ at all, JJ doesn't all him to create. There's a reason his best stretch of play was while Rubio was out.

There's a number of reasons why we lost, you can blame Adelman for not putting Rubio back in or the refs missing the foul to end the game, but these are singular events. I put the loss on our interior defense, the number of uncontested or barely contested shots around the rim was ridiculous. This mostly on Love and Pek because they're around the rim the most but as a team we're just bad at it. The entire Dallas team helped out around the rim, we could barely get our bigs to do anything. We have players more than capable of challenging shots around the basket so I don't know if it's effort or poor defensive coaching but something there needs to change.

To be fair Rage... I don't think many people were pinning the loss on Rubio. Most of the slights toward Rubio were in a far more general sense that extended beyond last night's game.

NBA admits foul should have been called on Marion. Love should have had two FTs to tie the game. Fuck the NBA. Instead of having these post-game apologies, how about the league review shit like this? Or maybe we need more refs on the court. Something has to be done. That loss could easily be the difference in someone making the playoffs or not.

Camden wrote:NBA admits foul should have been called on Marion. Love should have had two FTs to tie the game. Fuck the NBA. Instead of having these post-game apologies, how about the league review shit like this? Or maybe we need more refs on the court. Something has to be done. That loss could easily be the difference in someone making the playoffs or not.

Unfortunately, more officials woudn't help. There were two with a clear view.

Accountability would help. But the NBA has the most corrupt officiating in pro sports. A guy was gambling on games just a few years ago... and we're supposed to forget overnight?

There are ex-convicts officiating games... yet they are the people upholding the integrity of the game? (I don't care if it was only lying about taxes... bringing all those guys back was a disgrace.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:I don't think I've ever used PER to make an argument. I know I've ripped ESPN and Hollinger often about it though. I even questioned Stevenson's PER today, in relations to others. I think it's a gimmick stat. And I don't even know what Roland measures. I know I've never used that one.

Maybe you're so incensed you have me confused with somebody else? Take a break. Breathe.
Come back with a clearer head. And fewer lies.

Happy New Years!

OK. First off, enough with the "Stop Lying about what I said" Bullshit. Anyone can read what you said. So that doesn't really work. And if reading what you said didn't concern you, you wouldn't keep saying I was lying.

I never said you use PER to make an argument. As a matter of fact, I said the exact opposite, which is you think your OPINION, and not a very informed one, is better than PER. Once again, good luck with that in the new year.

Once again, your opinion, which is based on whatever games they are showing on basic cable and not LeaguePass, SUCKS compared to PER or ROLAND, even once you learn what Roland is, and I'm am going to keep pointing it out. And if you keep coming at me, I might even keep pointing it out even when you agree with me.

You are the one confused, and maybe you should stop breathing.

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:I don't think I've ever used PER to make an argument. I know I've ripped ESPN and Hollinger often about it though. I even questioned Stevenson's PER today, in relations to others. I think it's a gimmick stat. And I don't even know what Roland measures. I know I've never used that one.

Maybe you're so incensed you have me confused with somebody else? Take a break. Breathe.
Come back with a clearer head. And fewer lies.

Happy New Years!

OK. First off, enough with the "Stop Lying about what I said" Bullshit. Anyone can read what you said. So that doesn't really work. And if reading what you said didn't concern you, you wouldn't keep saying I was lying.

I never said you use PER to make an argument. As a matter of fact, I said the exact opposite, which is you think your OPINION, and not a very informed one, is better than PER. Once again, good luck with that in the new year.

Once again, your opinion, which is based on whatever games they are showing on basic cable and not LeaguePass, SUCKS compared to PER or ROLAND, even once you learn what Roland is, and I'm am going to keep pointing it out. And if you keep coming at me, I might even keep pointing it out even when you agree with me.

You are the one confused, and maybe you should stop breathing.

I'm not meaning to jump in this between you and Abe, but PER's a god awful "stat". I can't call it a stat without putting quotes around it. That's how low I think of PER. Basically, it's a made up figure from Hollinger, which doesn't make sense at all when used for defense-oriented players.

And I'm just now commenting to this, but did you really say Lin was better than Thompson/Stephenson/Gordon? What NBA are you watching, if any? All three of those guys are superior players to Lin.

Q12543 wrote:We were down 4 when JJ entered the game for Rubio. We then proceeded to take the lead during JJ's stint and then lose it again because we couldn't hit a freakin' open shot to save our lives. We were down 5 when Rubio came back in. I would hardly "guarantee" that we would win if Rubio had been subbed in a few minutes earlier. Also, Rubio made a crucial turnover in the closing minute that helped cost us the game. Adelman probably made a mistake by not getting Ricky back in shortly after our momentum stopped after taking the lead briefly. But I don't think that's what cost us the game.

i think it's kinda easy to pick on BAREA when he has 4 other guys on his 2nd unit who should be in the D-LEAGUE or nba janitors. Barea has basically looked like crap bc every other NBA COACH knows when he comes in with his so called 2nd unit all you gotta do is double team him and make him beat you. if barea passes the ball it results in nothing but bricks from his 2nd unit teammates. barea needs another legit scorer in there with him at all times to take the pressure off of him. thats why im all for at least seeing what shabazz can do & i know barea wants him in there 2. should of never traded d-will he was good with jj.

So you all want Flip to coach next year. Good luck with that