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AbeVigodaLive wrote:Kurt Rambis is the worst NBA coach I've ever seen. And I've watched Sidney Lowe on the sidelines.

The man started Darko Milicic AND Ryan Hollins over Love. Yes, at the same time.

Rip Love all you want. Protect Taylor all your want. But, claiming any coach is worse than Rambis will incite a response from me every time. I'm 100% serious.

A guy with absolutely no good qualities. Wasn't a X's and O's guy, wasn't a developer of talent, players AND management hated the guy. I would rather have Adelman on Skype while he's on the toliet over Rambis

lipoli390 wrote:

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

The Rage Monster wrote:He's made some mistakes and said some dumb things in the past but I'm not understanding the resentment towards Taylor based on these comments. Everything he said is accurate, this isn't like the KG situation where he was clearly just bitter and said things that weren't even true. Love forced his way out when the team finally gained some upward momentum, to make Taylor out to be the bad guy in this situation based on truthful comments he made is ridiculous.

It's not about "telling the truth"... it's about public relations or protecting the "brand". Regardless in how truthful his comments were, they are perceived poorly. Because they make the Wolves look petty.

There was no reason... no positive end game... to rip the 2nd best player in franchise history on the way out the door. Just move on.

Exactly, Abe! Even worse that much of what Taylor said was either factually inaccurate, incredibly petty or simply riduculous.

As for the inaccurate and absurd : Love is not foul prone. And it's beyond absurd to suggest that a top 5-10 player in the entire League by every objective measure and every subjective expert opinion is only the third best player on the Cavs behind the still largely unproven Kyrie Irving. It's also at least arguable whether Love is injury prone.

Finally, it was beyond petty to say that the Cavs should be concerned about giving Love a 5-year deal because of Love's injury history -- especially after saying he would have given the five year deal himself in retrospect.

The only protecting that needs to be done is to make sure the right people are in charge of making decisions. Taylor did an especially poor job of this when he kept Kahn, Rambis, and even Adelman around for so long. Outside of making comments similar to Sterling there is nothing he can say to ruin the brand if he has good people making important basketball decisions.

As far as his comments being factually inaccurate, I'm not buying it. Taylor mentioned Love being foul prone after saying he think Love will be asked to play more defense. There's not a stat for fouls per Love's attempt to play defense but if there was the rate would be rather high. If the Cavs ask Love to protect the rim he will commit a lot of fouls due to his lack of athleticism.

I'm also pretty sure Taylor never said Love was the third best player, I believe he simply said he would be the third player. I don't think he was referring to the quality of player here but the fact Love will most likely be third in line offensively. Irving is not a pass first PG, to expect him to all of a sudden become is unrealistic. The fact the ball starts in Irving's hand already give him the advantage over Love and I would not be surprised at all if Irving takes more shots per game than Love.

I wouldn't use the term injury prone but he has had injuries and I don't believe he's ever played a full 82 game season, plus he's never made the playoffs so he's always had those extra months to rest and recover. When talking about giving someone a 5 year max you're talking about a ton of money, you'd be crazy not to consider everything. In the end you'd take that risk because Love is that good, he's worth the risk, Taylor essential said that by admitting he'd sign him to a 5 year deal.

60WinTim wrote:sjm - I can't blame Adelman for the post Rubio-ACL debacle. The Wolves actually held their own at first, until Pek went down, followed by even more injuries (Beasley and Love). That year was completely sabatoged by injuries to many players.

Tim, they were 2-8 in games that they had both Love and Pek. Regardless though, this wasn't about comparing Adelman's coaching ability as much as stating that his approach concerning the roster and veteran role players has had more to do with were the wolves found themselves coming into this preseason. His refusal to develop players has likely put this team back several years. I still fault Kahn and Flip for caving into his whims, but I also know it wouldn't have gone over well had they disregarded his wishes.

To be clear, I think Rambis was a complete putz while coaching here, but he didn't have Rubio on the squad, and that seems to be a major factor in Adelman being able to coach the team to wins.

I agree with Long, that it seems like Ricky has a lot more to do with the direction of this team. Like him, I am actually feeling a little opTIMistic about our chances next season.

Alex, I am giving zero credit to Adelman for Love and Pek. I watched a fair amount of video on Pek well before he came over and he is the same player today that he was in Europe. The only difference was he learned he couldn't run over guys in the NBA. Love made his improvements in the off-season, so I don't know exactly what that has to do with Adelman. If you are going to give credit to Adelman for Love and Pek (who hasn't improved), are you going to blame him for Ricky's lack of development. How about the team as a whole. We complete transformed it to what he believed he needed, and this team wasn't any better this season than they were in Ricky's rookie year.

sjm34 wrote:

60WinTim wrote:sjm - I can't blame Adelman for the post Rubio-ACL debacle. The Wolves actually held their own at first, until Pek went down, followed by even more injuries (Beasley and Love). That year was completely sabatoged by injuries to many players.

Tim, they were 2-8 in games that they had both Love and Pek. Regardless though, this wasn't about comparing Adelman's coaching ability as much as stating that his approach concerning the roster and veteran role players has had more to do with were the wolves found themselves coming into this preseason. His refusal to develop players has likely put this team back several years. I still fault Kahn and Flip for caving into his whims, but I also know it wouldn't have gone over well had they disregarded his wishes.

To be clear, I think Rambis was a complete putz while coaching here, but he didn't have Rubio on the squad, and that seems to be a major factor in Adelman being able to coach the team to wins.

I agree with Long, that it seems like Ricky has a lot more to do with the direction of this team. Like him, I am actually feeling a little opTIMistic about our chances next season.

Alex, I am giving zero credit to Adelman for Love and Pek. I watched a fair amount of video on Pek well before he came over and he is the same player today that he was in Europe. The only difference was he learned he couldn't run over guys in the NBA. Love made his improvements in the off-season, so I don't know exactly what that has to do with Adelman. If you are going to give credit to Adelman for Love and Pek (who hasn't improved), are you going to blame him for Ricky's lack of development. How about the team as a whole. We complete transformed it to what he believed he needed, and this team wasn't any better this season than they were in Ricky's rookie year.

who are the guys that adelman didn't develop that went on to other teams to be something?

alexftbl8181 wrote:
who are the guys that adelman didn't develop that went on to other teams to be something?

Considering there are only a couple guys who have been traded away, Wes seems to have turned it around, and DW immediately posted significantly better efficiency upon landing with SAC. Unfortunately for DW they traded for Gay which limited his shot opportunities.

Who has he developed?

Why hasn't the team improved in the 3 years he's been here?

sjm34 wrote:

alexftbl8181 wrote:
who are the guys that adelman didn't develop that went on to other teams to be something?

Considering there are only a couple guys who have been traded away, Wes seems to have turned it around, and DW immediately posted significantly better efficiency upon landing with SAC. Unfortunately for DW they traded for Gay which limited his shot opportunities.

Who has he developed?

Why hasn't the team improved in the 3 years he's been here?

The year before adelman took over they won 17 games. In 3 years they won 40 so in fact they did improve

alexftbl8181 wrote:

sjm34 wrote:

alexftbl8181 wrote:
who are the guys that adelman didn't develop that went on to other teams to be something?

Considering there are only a couple guys who have been traded away, Wes seems to have turned it around, and DW immediately posted significantly better efficiency upon landing with SAC. Unfortunately for DW they traded for Gay which limited his shot opportunities.

Who has he developed?

Why hasn't the team improved in the 3 years he's been here?

The year before adelman took over they won 17 games. In 3 years they won 40 so in fact they did improve

Sure they improved because of Rubio, but what has Adelman done to improve the team?

Are you trying to tell me that he improved the team by 23 wins in training camp that first season? Get real.

Who has he developed??

sjm34 wrote:

alexftbl8181 wrote:

sjm34 wrote:

alexftbl8181 wrote:
who are the guys that adelman didn't develop that went on to other teams to be something?

Considering there are only a couple guys who have been traded away, Wes seems to have turned it around, and DW immediately posted significantly better efficiency upon landing with SAC. Unfortunately for DW they traded for Gay which limited his shot opportunities.

Who has he developed?

Why hasn't the team improved in the 3 years he's been here?

The year before adelman took over they won 17 games. In 3 years they won 40 so in fact they did improve

Sure they improved because of Rubio, but what has Adelman done to improve the team?

Are you trying to tell me that he improved the team by 23 wins in training camp that first season? Get real.

Who has he developed??

Love and pek. Dieng as well

AbeVigodaLive wrote:Kurt Rambis is the worst NBA coach I've ever seen. And I've watched Sidney Lowe on the sidelines.

The man started Darko Milicic AND Ryan Hollins over Love. Yes, at the same time.

Rip Love all you want. Protect Taylor all your want. But, claiming any coach is worse than Rambis will incite a response from me every time. I'm 100% serious.

+1

Rambis didn't do ANYTHING well as a HC. His system sucked and didn't fit his players. He wasn't good in game situations. Guys didn't play well together AT ALL. Rambis was absolutely terrible and an absolute failure regardless how bad the talent was or wasn't he even underachieved either way.

Didn't Beasley have his best season here under Rambis?