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sjm34 wrote:

TheGrey08 wrote:Travis Lyle Czech
@DarrenWolfson had a question, if your the 5 year designated player does that have to be the max $? Or can you do like 5/60?

Darren Wolfson @DarrenWolfson
@TravLyleCzech Max. Good question. I think there's a lot of confusion on that.
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Sooo.. that has me wondering if he meant the 5th year had to be for the max or the entire contract. Based on the question regarding 5/60 I'd assume he meant the whole deal. If that's the case that's really stupid imo.

The first year of the deal has to be for the max, but I think the remaining years could decrease. The wolves could give Ricky a five year deal making him the designated player, but then have his salary decrease each year over the final four seasons. Something like 15, 14, 13, 12, and ending at 11 mil for the final season. Five years for 65 mil would be the total. I would be OK with that, mainly because it gives us more cap space when we are most likely to need it. I see more teams structuring deals this way.

I think even keeping the money even year to year instead of the pay increases every year in pretty good too. That's assuning you have a guy taking less than the max he can get. I actually like the way Pek's contract is pretty even with his last year being less than 12 million. Like you said we can get more flexibility later in the deal.

Bringing up Cuban as a big player for Rubio is a good point. I think he would go as hard after him as anyone.

Wait, people think Ricky is worth more than ~$10 million a year?! Is this what it looks like when a fanbase throws in the towel? Lock up our only marketable player, even if he's deeply flawed, to the tune of "whatever the hell he wants"?

Kyle Lowry is set to make $12 million per, and he is a markedly better player than Rubio. If Ricky won't stay here for $10 million per, let him become a RFA. If he somehow manages to snag a near-max offer, we can think about matching IF he improves his shooting. Otherwise? Let him walk. He's a decent young player with some upside, but he's not even a top ten point guard in this league right now - and there's no real guarantee he ever will be either.

The Wolves are going to continue to suck so long as we continue to pay marginal/average guys 20-50% more than their market value. We overpaid drastically for Pek. We overpaid for Martin. We overpaid for Brewer, Buddinger, Barea. You can't overpay everyone on your team and hope to accomplish anything - especially when none of them are bonafied superstars. And the fantastically unfunny part: the one guy we SHOULD have paid APPROPRIATELY? We low-balled him.

Horrible franchise, and it feels like the fans are starting to internalize and identify with the losing strategy.

I still dont get why so many people say that PEK is overpaid, look around the league how much are bigs getting paid, he is beast and holds his own on D, yeah he is not help defender but with right PF it should not be that much of issue ..
his biggest weakness is Love at PF, but it is about management to put together pieces which mesh together, before last offseason my idea was that we should move PEK to get some real wing player and sign or trade for some rim protection, as our offensive big is Love and one dimensional defensive Cs are 5-6 mil ballpark, but whatever ..
i guess i just dont understand bball enough and, i definitely dont understand wolves management since Khan was named our GM ..

Now to the topic i would not offer more than 10mil per year to Rubio as market with guards is different animal than with bigs, and i would not expect any team in the league to offer more than 10mil per year next year if Rubio does not improve dramatically his finishing skills, if he does improve then i would gladly match any offer, isnt it what RFA is meant for?

horatio81 wrote:Wait, people think Ricky is worth more than ~$10 million a year?! Is this what it looks like when a fanbase throws in the towel? Lock up our only marketable player, even if he's deeply flawed, to the tune of "whatever the hell he wants"?

Kyle Lowry is set to make $12 million per, and he is a markedly better player than Rubio. If Ricky won't stay here for $10 million per, let him become a RFA. If he somehow manages to snag a near-max offer, we can think about matching IF he improves his shooting. Otherwise? Let him walk. He's a decent young player with some upside, but he's not even a top ten point guard in this league right now - and there's no real guarantee he ever will be either.

The Wolves are going to continue to suck so long as we continue to pay marginal/average guys 20-50% more than their market value. We overpaid drastically for Pek. We overpaid for Martin. We overpaid for Brewer, Buddinger, Barea. You can't overpay everyone on your team and hope to accomplish anything - especially when none of them are bonafied superstars. And the fantastically unfunny part: the one guy we SHOULD have paid APPROPRIATELY? We low-balled him.

Horrible franchise, and it feels like the fans are starting to internalize and identify with the losing strategy.

Amen....was beginning to think I was on my own here.

Lowry is markedly better? I am actually concerned about him now that he got paid. Before this last season, he wasnt wanted by Houston or Toronto. He was on the block for awhile in Houston and Toronto was looking to move him earlier in the year. He seems to have a lot of ups and downs and could very well be one of those cases of great production on a contract year followed by a steady falling off. I dont see that happening with Ricky.

Around 12 million would be fine. By the time it kicks in it'll be less a % of the cap than what Curry got on his deal and people love to mention that as a steal (about 19% compared to 18.5% assuming the cap rises by 4.4% next season) That's not even taking into consideration where the cap could rise to after the next CBA/TV deal. It's not inconceivable that at that number Ricky's contract becomes a better value in its last season or two than it would be closer to the start.

It's the same reason all these short contracts and early terminations are being rumored; agents/players know bigger money should be coming down the pipe.

Something to remember: we are losing Kevin Love (no debate on this, he will be gone at some point) because we held on to this MAX deal for Ricky. If you then refuse to pay him that contract (resulting in possibly losing him), where are you then? While I agree with the side that he isn't necessarily WORTH a MAX, I personally believe he is someone you can build around.

Honestly, a little (albeit expensive) hope is WAAAAY more important to me than no hope at all.

Phenom's_Revenge wrote:Lowry is markedly better? I am actually concerned about him now that he got paid. Before this last season, he wasnt wanted by Houston or Toronto. He was on the block for awhile in Houston and Toronto was looking to move him earlier in the year. He seems to have a lot of ups and downs and could very well be one of those cases of great production on a contract year followed by a steady falling off. I dont see that happening with Ricky.

Ricky first has to have great production before we worry about it falling off. First things first.:)

Seeing Hayward and Parsons get max to near max the past two days the wolves may need to just bite the bullet on any number below the max and avoid RFA. It'll be interesting to see if Bledsoe gets a big offer sheet as well.

foye2smith wrote:Seeing Hayward and Parsons get max to near max the past two days the wolves may need to just bite the bullet on any number below the max and avoid RFA. It'll be interesting to see if Bledsoe gets a big offer sheet as well.

I don't know what Dallas payroll will be next summer but if Cuban has a max slot, I could certainly see him giving it to Ricky. Lock him up Flip.