TheSP wrote:We talked earlier about what the Vikes should do this offseason with Teddy still an unknown, Sam barely able to stay healthy, and Keenum a career backup. One of the players that was thrown around was Kirk Cousins, who single handedly handed the Saints a win after being up big today. Keenum has no special ability, but surrounded by the right talent and with the right coaches all he does is win!
They said Zimmer expected Keenum would falter last week and they would turn the team over to Teddy then, now Case has lead the team to six consecutive victories! If you're Zim and Speilman and you believe Teddy is the better answer over the next 4 years but Case continues leading this team to wins, potentially big playoff wins, you're going to have a big question to answer this offseason!!
What Case has been able to do that's impressive (considering he is supposed to just be a backup) is extend plays and get out of trouble using his athletic ability and then also make some throws. Its now back to back 70% completion weeks for him. He wasn't amazing today but he also was backed up a bunch of times with penalties and overcame them a few times and gained a few yards drawing the Rams offsides.
I'm glad I don't have to make the decision of what to do with these QBs and while having the information they have that I don't is probably good for making the decision...I don't think it's gonna be easy. The Detroit game is a big one. Honestly I don't see how you can play Teddy in that game you NEED to win over Case.
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I don't keep up with a lot of the beat reporting on the VIkes....Is there really any question about THIS season who the starting quarterback should be the rest of the way? Or is this just fans and pundits trying to create a QB controversy where there is none?
I get why there may be some questions heading into NEXT season, but right now it would seem borderline irrational to start Teddy over Case.
TheSP wrote:We talked earlier about what the Vikes should do this offseason with Teddy still an unknown, Sam barely able to stay healthy, and Keenum a career backup. One of the players that was thrown around was Kirk Cousins, who single handedly handed the Saints a win after being up big today. Keenum has no special ability, but surrounded by the right talent and with the right coaches all he does is win!
They said Zimmer expected Keenum would falter last week and they would turn the team over to Teddy then, now Case has lead the team to six consecutive victories! If you're Zim and Speilman and you believe Teddy is the better answer over the next 4 years but Case continues leading this team to wins, potentially big playoff wins, you're going to have a big question to answer this offseason!!
What Case has been able to do that's impressive (considering he is supposed to just be a backup) is extend plays and get out of trouble using his athletic ability and then also make some throws. Its now back to back 70% completion weeks for him. He wasn't amazing today but he also was backed up a bunch of times with penalties and overcame them a few times and gained a few yards drawing the Rams offsides.
I'm glad I don't have to make the decision of what to do with these QBs and while having the information they have that I don't is probably good for making the decision...I don't think it's gonna be easy. The Detroit game is a big one. Honestly I don't see how you can play Teddy in that game you NEED to win over Case.
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I don't keep up with a lot of the beat reporting on the VIkes....Is there really any question about THIS season who the starting quarterback should be the rest of the way? Or is this just fans and pundits trying to create a QB controversy where there is none?
I get why there may be some questions heading into NEXT season, but right now it would seem borderline irrational to start Teddy over Case.
Thanks for your perspective Q. I'm guessing there is some combination of people making assumptions and maybe some inside info. Plenty of fans and media types didn't believe in Keenum some started the season not even believing he was a worthy backup. Now he has been exceeding expectations playing at a level at the very least a solid starter. I bet there were people in the Vikings organization that figured it was a matter of time till if Teddy was healthy they would go to him because Keenum would have served his purpose and reverted back to looking like a backup. That has not happened. He keeps looking like an average NFL starter. Meanwhile Teddy is a week removed from crying on the sidelines being active for his first game (an event certainly worthy of showing emotion). Let him have some more time at least to just take this all in. At this point it seems like Teddy playing this year is: in garbage time, if Keenum starts sucking or gets hurt or if they already have home field advantage locked up (not presuming that's gonna happen). If the defense is really damn good and there is enough on the offensive end of the ball to score points (it has) then why not make a run this year with a guy that has been an average NFL starter for how many games now? Teddy is one hit away from being the guy.
Monster, We've seen other teams make Super Bowl runs with "game managers" as QBs. The common thread is they all had super elite defenses. The thing about Case is he has been more than a game manager. He has made some big-time throws in the midst of this run. May be he's just never had the right set of weapons and O-line around him in his prior stops (?).
Either way, Teddy never proved himself to be MORE than a game manager in his first two seasons. So why after not playing for nearly two years is he suddenly going to come in and be an upgrade? Not this season at least.....
If Case keeps this up we'll get to see Teddy anyways because we'll already have a playoff spot locked down. 1 game is still better than no games to figure out a deal this summer. The narrative just changes from benching Keenum to resting him and making sure he's healthy for the playoffs.
Q12543 wrote:Monster, We've seen other teams make Super Bowl runs with "game managers" as QBs. The common thread is they all had super elite defenses. The thing about Case is he has been more than a game manager. He has made some big-time throws in the midst of this run. May be he's just never had the right set of weapons and O-line around him in his prior stops (?).
Either way, Teddy never proved himself to be MORE than a game manager in his first two seasons. So why after not playing for nearly two years is he suddenly going to come in and be an upgrade? Not this season at least.....
If the weapons and line are significant factors in Case's great play that would also apply to Teddy who never had a line and had questionable targets. We really don't know what Teddy could be with this elite supporting cast. All we know is he was middle of the road, but very accurate with a subpar supporting cast. I think Case has earned the spot until he gives it up over multiple games, but there is reason to believe Teddy could be an upgrade with this new supporting cast and this style of offense.
Q12543 wrote:Monster, We've seen other teams make Super Bowl runs with "game managers" as QBs. The common thread is they all had super elite defenses. The thing about Case is he has been more than a game manager. He has made some big-time throws in the midst of this run. May be he's just never had the right set of weapons and O-line around him in his prior stops (?).
Either way, Teddy never proved himself to be MORE than a game manager in his first two seasons. So why after not playing for nearly two years is he suddenly going to come in and be an upgrade? Not this season at least.....
I agree Q. Keenum is more than a game manager. What I think has been a surprise (even to me who liked adding him this offseason) about his game is:
1. He has the arm to get the ball down the field and actually takes shots down there.
2. Athletic ability to get out of trouble,extend plays and then make throws. I like how he has been willing to actully run for some yards the last 2 games.
Physically Keenum has more than enough to make the plays and is all you can ask for except being a couple inches taller.
This offense is pretty good and Keenum is both benefiting and should get credit for doing what he is doing. The offense and Shurmer is playing to his strengths which helps. It seems like if I remember right in Houston the WR situation was deteriorating as Andre Johnson was either hurt or in the downward end of his career so I'm not sure how good the situation was there. I'm looking forward to seeing him keep running out there.
Just listened to a Keenum/Teddy discussion on Barreiro. Dan referred to Jerry Johnson on the post game yesterday saying it was silly to even consider changing QBs at this juncture, and Dan agreed. He also blamed Zimmer for inciting some of the discussion by not being positive enough to the media about Case. Apparently he said Case was a little lucky yesterday, I'm guessing referring to the duck he completed to Thielen on the left side after scrambling, the bullet he completed to Rudolph in triple coverage and the 65 yard TD pass he got when the cornerback made a poor decision. Personally I thought Case was a little lucky on those plays too, but the fact of the matter is he made them...and he has made them all season. He now has the highest QBR among active QBs!
Yes, there can be no discussion about Case not starting now...he's been terrific this season. Let's just enjoy the ride and the comfort of knowing, unlike most other teams in the league, if our starting QB gets hurt, we may even have a better option ready to replace him. What a luxury!
Q12543 wrote:Monster, We've seen other teams make Super Bowl runs with "game managers" as QBs. The common thread is they all had super elite defenses. The thing about Case is he has been more than a game manager. He has made some big-time throws in the midst of this run. May be he's just never had the right set of weapons and O-line around him in his prior stops (?).
Either way, Teddy never proved himself to be MORE than a game manager in his first two seasons. So why after not playing for nearly two years is he suddenly going to come in and be an upgrade? Not this season at least.....
If the weapons and line are significant factors in Case's great play that would also apply to Teddy who never had a line and had questionable targets. We really don't know what Teddy could be with this elite supporting cast. All we know is he was middle of the road, but very accurate with a subpar supporting cast. I think Case has earned the spot until he gives it up over multiple games, but there is reason to believe Teddy could be an upgrade with this new supporting cast and this style of offense.
longstrangetrip wrote:Just listened to a Keenum/Teddy discussion on Barreiro. Dan referred to Jerry Johnson on the post game yesterday saying it was silly to even consider changing QBs at this juncture, and Dan agreed. He also blamed Zimmer for inciting some of the discussion by not being positive enough to the media about Case. Apparently he said Case was a little lucky yesterday, I'm guessing referring to the duck he completed to Thielen on the left side after scrambling, the bullet he completed to Rudolph in triple coverage and the 65 yard TD pass he got when the cornerback made a poor decision. Personally I thought Case was a little lucky on those plays too, but the fact of the matter is he made them...and he has made them all season. He now has the highest QBR among active QBs!
Yes, there can be no discussion about Case not starting now...he's been terrific this season. Let's just enjoy the ride and the comfort of knowing, unlike most other teams in the league, if our starting QB gets hurt, we may even have a better option ready to replace him. What a luxury!
LST I just watched Zimmers comments after the game. All his comments about Case that could be talking about him being lucky was in reference to that player where he duck dived dodged and threw up a prayer. He seemed more lime he was joking around and reporters were basically asking him for a sound bite. Lol
There was at least one national show that was asking rhetorically if Maybe Keenum feeds off not really being guaranteed anything and Zimmer is using that to everyone's advantage by not really praising him too much. It's an interesting theory.
longstrangetrip wrote:Just listened to a Keenum/Teddy discussion on Barreiro. Dan referred to Jerry Johnson on the post game yesterday saying it was silly to even consider changing QBs at this juncture, and Dan agreed. He also blamed Zimmer for inciting some of the discussion by not being positive enough to the media about Case. Apparently he said Case was a little lucky yesterday, I'm guessing referring to the duck he completed to Thielen on the left side after scrambling, the bullet he completed to Rudolph in triple coverage and the 65 yard TD pass he got when the cornerback made a poor decision. Personally I thought Case was a little lucky on those plays too, but the fact of the matter is he made them...and he has made them all season. He now has the highest QBR among active QBs!
Yes, there can be no discussion about Case not starting now...he's been terrific this season. Let's just enjoy the ride and the comfort of knowing, unlike most other teams in the league, if our starting QB gets hurt, we may even have a better option ready to replace him. What a luxury!
LST I just watched Zimmers comments after the game. All his comments about Case that could be talking about him being lucky was in reference to that player where he duck dived dodged and threw up a prayer. He seemed more lime he was joking around and reporters were basically asking him for a sound bite. Lol
There was at least one national show that was asking rhetorically if Maybe Keenum feeds off not really being guaranteed anything and Zimmer is using that to everyone's advantage by not really praising him too much. It's an interesting theory.
Thx for that, monster...I haven't seen the press conference, so I only had Dan's comments. I was at the game with a friend who is a Case supporter, but he really got down on him about that "duck", and said he was really lucky. I defended our QB and said he made a terrific play to escape the rush, and must have known that the receiver had nobody within 20 yards of him...and that a "duck" would still be successful.
