lipoli390 wrote:Latest report has the Wolves simply swapping Love for Wiggins, Bennett and a 2018 first round pick. I was hoping for something a little better -- at least getting the Miami or Memphis first round pick or Waiters.
There must be a separate deal with another team in the works to offload JJ and possibly someone else. We will have to clear at least one roster spot just to take on both Wiggins and Bennett. Then we'll have to clear yet another spot to make room for Glen Robinson.
Hmm, I think we can all agree that wiggins/bennet and a pick is the surest thing we would get in a deal with cavs. I suspect that which picks will be involved is still up for negotaition as well as a 3rd team to take back salary from us.
Personally Wiggins and Benntt plus a 1st rounder sounds kinda good because it should give us some possible salary room at some point in the process either this year or next. I watched the Cavs vs Sixers SL game last night and yeah I'd take Bennett as a prospect. Wiggins is raw on offense but as silly as he looks at times on offense he makes guys look more silly with his defense. I like his post entry passing its pretty good and. With. His length he can see over some defenders he will see fairly easy. Dellavedova is a nice backup PG he knows how to play. Congrats also to Will Cherry who played well and got a guaranteed deal from the Raps.
lipoli390 wrote:Latest report has the Wolves simply swapping Love for Wiggins, Bennett and a 2018 first round pick. I was hoping for something a little better -- at least getting the Miami or Memphis first round pick or Waiters.
There must be a separate deal with another team in the works to offload JJ and possibly someone else. We will have to clear at least one roster spot just to take on both Wiggins and Bennett. Then we'll have to clear yet another spot to make room for Glen Robinson.
I wonder if that is just more lazy reporting, lip...naming the main pieces in the deal but nor al of them. I haven't run the numbers, but that doesn't sound like enough salary coming back for Love.
Also, I don't think Robinson (another SF would be Flip's first priority to fill out the roster). I would think he needs to look for a PF. I don't think he wants to go into the season with Bennett, Hummel and LMaM as the only potential PF's, especially when Hummel and Luc are more tweeners than legit PF's.
lipoli390 wrote:Latest report has the Wolves simply swapping Love for Wiggins, Bennett and a 2018 first round pick. I was hoping for something a little better -- at least getting the Miami or Memphis first round pick or Waiters.
There must be a separate deal with another team in the works to offload JJ and possibly someone else. We will have to clear at least one roster spot just to take on both Wiggins and Bennett. Then we'll have to clear yet another spot to make room for Glen Robinson.
I wonder if that is just more lazy reporting, lip...naming the main pieces in the deal but nor al of them. I haven't run the numbers, but that doesn't sound like enough salary coming back for Love.
Also, I don't think Robinson (another SF would be Flip's first priority to fill out the roster). I would think he needs to look for a PF. I don't think he wants to go into the season with Bennett, Hummel and LMaM as the only potential PF's, especially when Hummel and Luc are more tweeners than legit PF's.
I agree, Long. I'm really looking forward to the end if this 30-day waiting period.
KiwiMatt wrote:Brewer is a great fit for Cleveland though. He could almost start at SG for them. Irving - Brewer - James - Love - Varejao gives them a nice balance of offense and defence.
I'd be willing to send them Brewer if we got Waiters or Young in return. But wouldn't just throw him in as a salary dump. Brewer earned his contract last season.
That's exactly what I've been thinking. He was never a throw-in in my trade scenario. He was the key to getting Cleveland to give up Waiters either directly to us or to the Sixers to land Thad Young. Corey would be a great fit in Cleveland surrounded by three scorers (Love, LeBron, Kyrie) and two ball-handlers (LeBron, Kyrie).
lipoli390 wrote:Latest report has the Wolves simply swapping Love for Wiggins, Bennett and a 2018 first round pick. I was hoping for something a little better -- at least getting the Miami or Memphis first round pick or Waiters.
There must be a separate deal with another team in the works to offload JJ and possibly someone else. We will have to clear at least one roster spot just to take on both Wiggins and Bennett. Then we'll have to clear yet another spot to make room for Glen Robinson.
I wonder if that is just more lazy reporting, lip...naming the main pieces in the deal but nor al of them. I haven't run the numbers, but that doesn't sound like enough salary coming back for Love.
Also, I don't think Robinson (another SF would be Flip's first priority to fill out the roster). I would think he needs to look for a PF. I don't think he wants to go into the season with Bennett, Hummel and LMaM as the only potential PF's, especially when Hummel and Luc are more tweeners than legit PF's.
I agree, Long. I'm really looking forward to the end if this 30-day waiting period.
Those could just be the relavent pieces coming back. Shamsports shows the. Sixers have a bunch of cheap contracts that are still not guaranteed and they say the John Lucas contract isn't guaranteed yet either. So in addition maybe there will still be a 3 team deal still or maybe some random 4th team will get in there to grab or unload a player.
I'm with you monster - Wiggins, Bennett and a future #1 pick is pretty good haul for Love, imo. Anything else is just getting greedy...
LST is right - the numbers don't quite work, which is why Cleveland acquired those non-guaranteed contracts a week ago to include in the trade, thus making the numbers work. This is also why we won't be sending any other players to Cleveland - they can't take on any more $s, and they have no other players to include in a trade (well, except for Waiters, but I don't think he's going anywhere).
Lip - your comment on the number of contracts is not quite right. Teams are not limited to 15 contracts during the off-season (it's something like 20). So the Wolves can make the trade and be sitting with 16 contracts. Of course, Flip will be working hard on a 2-1 deal to get a starting PF after the Wiggins trade (I say after because I believe Flip will need to include the #1 pick he gets from Cleveland).
As for GR3, I half expect him to be heading to Cleveland. And if not, I will be surprised if GR3 is signed this year -- let him mature elsewhere for a year and pretend he's your first round pick next year when you don't have one. How many inexperienced players does Flip want this year? Four guys with one year of NBA experience (Bennett, Shabazz, Deing and Hummel) and two rookies (Wiggins, LaVine).
TheGrey08 wrote:Jon Krawczynski
@APkrawczynski
Corey Brewer is not a candidate to be moved in a potential Wolves-Cavs deal. He's staying in Minnesota.
Uhhh okay so.. If this is true.. and Flip's indication last week that Martin had not been mentioned at all with Cleveland.. who the hell gets traded?
That leaves Bud (shooter), LRMaM, JJ, & Shved
I find that to be extremely good news. I'm a Corey guy as most of you know. I want him to stay.
Yep this would be good news it also means a couple other things.
1. If Brewer is staying and Martin also then Flip is serious about competing this year and that means no Bennett or Dieng as your starting PF someone legit will be starting there.
2. Corey and Martin staying with the Wolves make me think Waiters is staying with the Cavs because they need something besides old shooters playing SG.
Monster - I don't see the Wolves being very competitive with a starting five of Ricky, Martin, Brewer, Thad Young and Pek. We couldn't make the playoffs with that same lineup with Love instead of Thad Young at PF. I hope Flip isn't deluding himself into thinking we can be competitive with that group. Our only hope is very quick maturation of our young guys.
As for Corey's defense, if you ask the Wolves current coaching staff they won't be singing his praises. They love his energy and effort, but that's about it. Imagine Corey on the offensive end next season without Love's outlet passing. Actually, that means essentially no offense from Corey. I'm surprised he's not being included in the package to Cleveland. But Krawcsynski is very reliable and has a direct line to Flip so I have no doubt Brewer is staying here.
But this will leave us with a log jam at SF with Brewer, Shabazz, and Wiggins. And that's not counting Budinger. And I still see Thad Young as more of a SF than PF.
You do realize that Corey's biggest games last year were when Love didn't play. He scored 51 and 26 without Love's outlet passes. I think Corey will be fine without Love.
Seriously? People are willing to accept 3 assets for Love. No way. If the Wolves only get 2 players from CLE they need to come away with two 1st round picks, not just 1.
Some combination of Wiggins/Bennett/Starting PF/1st/1st as well as sending out 2-3 contracts. We're talking about the best PF in the game right now and the Wolves have the leverage.
TheGrey08 wrote:Seriously? People are willing to accept 3 assets for Love. No way. If the Wolves only get 2 players from CLE they need to come away with two 1st round picks, not just 1.
Some combination of Wiggins/Bennett/Starting PF/1st/1st as well as sending out 2-3 contracts. We're talking about the best PF in the game right now and the Wolves have the leverage.
I think the idea of accepting this package includes the idea that we dump some guys/allows the Wolves to bring in another more established player at the PF position. I keep saying this but I really think Flip has a nifty move lined up. Is that enough for Love? You make a good point it probably isn't but who knows what the final package will be and how Flip finishes off the roster.
TheGrey08 wrote:Seriously? People are willing to accept 3 assets for Love. No way. If the Wolves only get 2 players from CLE they need to come away with two 1st round picks, not just 1.
Some combination of Wiggins/Bennett/Starting PF/1st/1st as well as sending out 2-3 contracts. We're talking about the best PF in the game right now and the Wolves have the leverage.
I think the idea of accepting this package includes the idea that we dump some guys/allows the Wolves to bring in another more established player at the PF position. I keep saying this but I really think Flip has a nifty move lined up. Is that enough for Love? You make a good point it probably isn't but who knows what the final package will be and how Flip finishes off the roster.
So you think Carl Landry is headed this way, too? :)
