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crazy-canuck wrote:If thibs takes this deal, we basically traded 3 lottery picks for 4 picks in the late 20's. And people are loving it?

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:Lip if it was offered would you do an Eric Gordon and Chriss plus 4 first round picks for Butler? Keep in mind Chriss has advanced stats that showed he was a positive on the defensive end playing on the Suns...the Suns. I'm far from a Chriss believer although I saw the theory of his "upside" but I didn't think love the chances of him reaching in the draft. I think he is a decent young asset and Gordon would not be just a dead salary like Knight or Waiters.

If it's Gordon and Chriss, I can see doing that deal, provided the last three picks are not lottery protected. Chriss is still only 21 years old so I see him as a young talent with potential who's shown that he can play at the NBA level. Whether it's Gordon or Knight wouldn't matter to me. But I'd still prefer getting Richardson and Adebayo - two young talents who have proven they can play well at the NBA level. Cam said Butler's value would go up if we waited. Well, the Houston offer might drive up Butler's market value. So now is the time to strike and I strongly suspect that Pat Riley will improve his last offer. I'll take Richardson and Adebayo plus Miami's 2019 first over 4 first round picks likely to be in the 20s.

Otherwise, I wouldn't complain about getting the 4 picks from Houston plus Chriss, provided again that the last three picks aren't lottery protected. And I see Kahn's logic in suggesting Houston will become a lottery team by the time of our last couple picks.

Thanks for the response Lip. A couple things to add.

Basically for this deal to happen I don't think any of them can be protected because they have to be fulfilled in the 7 year time frame. If that's the way it is...it makes it pretty valueable because you just don't know what could happen. It also ales me a bit skeptical it's real but hell if I thought getting Butler gave me a real chance at a title the next 2 years I'd consider it.

i get that Gordon or Knight probably isn't a dealbreaker in general but Gordonnis a plus as at worst a valuable 6th man. Knight is a guy that the last season he played was a Crawford level advanced stats bad (actually so think it was even worse and doesn't bring the nifty vet leadership awesome dude vibe) plus he can't stay healthy. So you have at worst a neutral contract player instead of a massive negative. Also Gordon can absolutely play which might help Glen and Thibs pull the trigger. :)

Lol. Yep, Gordon might be the key to getting Thibodeau's buy-in. In my view, Knight's only value is his expiring contract. I'd be inclined to release him after the trade. I'd rather not have Gordon's contract for two years. By the way, take a look at Gordon's stats so far this season. They're terrible. Makes me wonder if he's having physical issues. He's always an injury waiting to happen. To the extent he stays healthy, his presence would hurt our draft position next summer. So the more I think about it, the more I'd prefer Knight over Gordon as part of this deal.

I would hope none of the deals would be lottery protected. If they were, we could lose some of them because the picks would have to be extinguished if Houston ended up in the lottery any of those years. Imagine this scenario. The first two of the four picked are lottery protected. Harden gets injured and misses the rest of this season and Houston finishes in the lottery. Now the Wolves are down to 3 picks.

Lip Knight and Gordon are both signed through next season and Knight makes actually 1.5 million more next season.

crazy-canuck wrote:If thibs takes this deal, we basically traded 3 lottery picks for 4 picks in the late 20's. And people are loving it?

crazy-canuck wrote:If thibs takes this deal, we basically traded 3 lottery picks for 4 picks in the late 20's. And people are loving it?

lipoli390 wrote:Just got a note from my friend who has a really good NBA source. I know who his source is and if you knew the name you'd realize this person would likely know what's happening. Anyway, the source confirmed that Houston has in fact offered 4 first round picks. Source said no response yet from the Wolves. Also mentioned that Miami is back in play, but not aware of any new offers.

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:If thibs takes this deal, we basically traded 3 lottery picks for 4 picks in the late 20's. And people are loving it?

And you knew that Terrell Owens was going to rip off his Jimmy Butler mask and reveal who he really is?
And lets discuss the "3 lottery picks". Dunn still isn't good and Lavine makes $20m/year. So it becomes one lottery picks for a playoff appearance/win, a pick in the teens, and four picks in the 20's, and maybe more.

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:Just got a note from my friend who has a really good NBA source. I know who his source is and if you knew the name you'd realize this person would likely know what's happening. Anyway, the source confirmed that Houston has in fact offered 4 first round picks. Source said no response yet from the Wolves. Also mentioned that Miami is back in play, but not aware of any new offers.

Same offer to MIA: 4 1sts/3 Swaps/5 2nds/anybody they want to trade to MIN for JimmyBricks/anybody else other than KAT&Okogie.