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Camden wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:I see two options. Continue the "all-in" approach that has already been started by hiring Tom Thibodeau, trading young players and assets for Jimmy Butler, signing Jeff Teague and Taj Gibson, OR go half rebuild by firing Thibs, hiring someone more devoted to player development and incremental success (Tony Bennett, Brent Barry, Jay Wright, and Ryan Saunders would be my candidates), dealing veterans Taj Gibson and Jeff Teague to playoff contending teams in need of a starting caliber plugin in hopes of getting back expirings and a first-round pick or two, and trading Jimmy Butler for a top-eight pick in this year's draft, a future pick, and a useful role player or two -- Cleveland would potentially be the perfect trade partner for this as they showed real interest in Butler last summer and could offer Brooklyn's first-round pick in 2018, Cleveland's first-round pick in 2020, Larry Nance Jr., and Jordan Clarkson.

If you choose the former, as I'm sure most Wolves fans would, then you can't be afraid to spend money this off-season or be afraid to trade Andrew Wiggins. We must get better in a plethora of areas.

If you choose the latter, you're potentially a lottery team once again or fighting for the eighth-seed at very best for the next couple of seasons, but you might have salvaged your long-term window. You also probably lose a significant portion of credibility around the league as well as within your own fan base.

Well said, Cam. You pretty much nailed it here.

WolvesFan21 wrote:I didn't see you picking a side there, but hey cover all your bases and you can be half right all the time. Nice fence riding. Unlike you I knew the team wasn't on it's way to contention, I wanted Thibs fired after making the playoffs. Traded Butler with the prime target of landing Doncic because like I said he is LeBron like minus the elite athleticism, basically you do whatever possible short of giving up KAT for him.

I only really remember Lip, Cool and I being on the fire Thibs train early on, while I believe we all would have targeted Doncic as the likely best option in the draft as well. Most were flat out against it, not Doncic per say, firing Thibs and trading Butler at the same time.

Camden wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:I didn't see you picking a side there, but hey cover all your bases and you can be half right all the time. Nice fence riding. Unlike you I knew the team wasn't on it's way to contention, I wanted Thibs fired after making the playoffs. Traded Butler with the prime target of landing Doncic because like I said he is LeBron like minus the elite athleticism, basically you do whatever possible short of giving up KAT for him.

I only really remember Lip, Cool and I being on the fire Thibs train early on, while I believe we all would have targeted Doncic as the likely best option in the draft as well. Most were flat out against it, not Doncic per say, firing Thibs and trading Butler at the same time.

There was no need to "pick a side" within my response because there is no one correct way to build a roster. And whether you like it or not, Tom Thibodeau is legitimately the main reason why this franchise doesn't have the longest active playoff drought record at this very moment. Firing him after making the playoffs was never on the table -- and neither was the Jimmy Butler for Luka Doncic trade you keep patting yourself on the back for. Kudos on thinking Doncic would be a great player. You're one of many to share that opinion.

Can we be done with this? Or is there a comment from 2012 you can dig up where you advocated trading Derrick Williams for James Harden, or something similar? Maybe you came up with the idea of trading Nikola Pekovic for Anthony Davis? This is all compelling stuff here.

WolvesFan21 wrote:

Camden wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:I didn't see you picking a side there, but hey cover all your bases and you can be half right all the time. Nice fence riding. Unlike you I knew the team wasn't on it's way to contention, I wanted Thibs fired after making the playoffs. Traded Butler with the prime target of landing Doncic because like I said he is LeBron like minus the elite athleticism, basically you do whatever possible short of giving up KAT for him.

I only really remember Lip, Cool and I being on the fire Thibs train early on, while I believe we all would have targeted Doncic as the likely best option in the draft as well. Most were flat out against it, not Doncic per say, firing Thibs and trading Butler at the same time.

There was no need to "pick a side" within my response because there is no one correct way to build a roster. And whether you like it or not, Tom Thibodeau is legitimately the main reason why this franchise doesn't have the longest active playoff drought record at this very moment. Firing him after making the playoffs was never on the table -- and neither was the Jimmy Butler for Luka Doncic trade you keep patting yourself on the back for. Kudos on thinking Doncic would be a great player. You're one of many to share that opinion.

Can we be done with this? Or is there a comment from 2012 you can dig up where you advocated trading Derrick Williams for James Harden, or something similar? Maybe you came up with the idea of trading Nikola Pekovic for Anthony Davis? This is all compelling stuff here.

Actually there was a concise and clear route. Step one fire Thibs. Step two hire competent management and coaching. Step three trade Butler for the Doncic pick (obviously includes swapping picks and/or other potential fillers like I stated). The idea of Butler for Doncic was a baseline, if Atlanta, Phoenix or Sacramento were not up for a straight swap then you negotiate from there. Acting like it was only one option is really silly as this was simply an idea which was most likely never pursued. Especially since the ogre in charge was in love with Butler.

Remember that all 3 teams didn't want Doncic with their picks, so it was legitimate to make it happen. If not get the best deal for pick/s other young talent at the time. Reloading before the draft a full year earlier.

thedoper wrote:Im still failing to see how we couldnt have drafted Doncic and signed Kawhi. We probably could have gotten PG in that route too. KAT, Doncic, Kawhi and PG. Easy.

Jester1534 wrote:

thedoper wrote:Im still failing to see how we couldnt have drafted Doncic and signed Kawhi. We probably could have gotten PG in that route too. KAT, Doncic, Kawhi and PG. Easy.

You forgot we could've had Greek Freak as well lol

kekgeek1 wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:

Camden wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:I didn't see you picking a side there, but hey cover all your bases and you can be half right all the time. Nice fence riding. Unlike you I knew the team wasn't on it's way to contention, I wanted Thibs fired after making the playoffs. Traded Butler with the prime target of landing Doncic because like I said he is LeBron like minus the elite athleticism, basically you do whatever possible short of giving up KAT for him.

I only really remember Lip, Cool and I being on the fire Thibs train early on, while I believe we all would have targeted Doncic as the likely best option in the draft as well. Most were flat out against it, not Doncic per say, firing Thibs and trading Butler at the same time.

There was no need to "pick a side" within my response because there is no one correct way to build a roster. And whether you like it or not, Tom Thibodeau is legitimately the main reason why this franchise doesn't have the longest active playoff drought record at this very moment. Firing him after making the playoffs was never on the table -- and neither was the Jimmy Butler for Luka Doncic trade you keep patting yourself on the back for. Kudos on thinking Doncic would be a great player. You're one of many to share that opinion.

Can we be done with this? Or is there a comment from 2012 you can dig up where you advocated trading Derrick Williams for James Harden, or something similar? Maybe you came up with the idea of trading Nikola Pekovic for Anthony Davis? This is all compelling stuff here.

Actually there was a concise and clear route. Step one fire Thibs. Step two hire competent management and coaching. Step three trade Butler for the Doncic pick (obviously includes swapping picks and/or other potential fillers like I stated). The idea of Butler for Doncic was a baseline, if Atlanta, Phoenix or Sacramento were not up for a straight swap then you negotiate from there. Acting like it was only one option is really silly as this was simply an idea which was most likely never pursued. Especially since the ogre in charge was in love with Butler.

Remember that all 3 teams didn't want Doncic with their picks, so it was legitimate to make it happen. If not get the best deal for pick/s other young talent at the time. Reloading before the draft a full year earlier.

Once again no team in the top 3 was trading there pick for butler straight up because they were all rebuilding.

You keep saying you would of added multiple picks plus butler to get doncic. You are criticizing thibs for not doing what no person in NBA history has done and trade an All NBA player plus multiple 1sts to move up in the draft to take an unknown player that wasn't even the consensus #1 overall prospect (I mean he went 3rd overall).

Just because Doncic became an absolute stud (congrats on nailing that) dosen't mean it was the correct decision to make. You were asking thibs to trade his best asset and future assets on the hope that Doncic is good and it is just as likely Doncic could of been the next Jan Vesley, Bender, Hezonja, Belly. In the end Doncic was an unknown with question marks.

You can blame thibs for some things (Dieng contact, Dunn pick, Patton pick even though I think he got unlucky on that) but to bash thibs for not making a trade that wasn't realistic or never been done in the NBA is silly to me.

thedoper wrote:Im still failing to see how we couldnt have drafted Doncic and signed Kawhi. We probably could have gotten PG in that route too. KAT, Doncic, Kawhi and PG. Easy.