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Q12543 wrote:Glad to hear there might be some openness by the front office of adding a legit big next to KAT. I think we need more bulk and strength than length and bounciness (e.g. Noel), as we seem to get outmuscled more than anything. McDaniels and KAT have enough nimbleness to stay with most opposing forwards. It's the Embiids, Jokics, Valancunias, etc. that just kill us because KAT is simply weaker than those guys and can't afford to get in foul trouble.

I agree on both points, Q. Glad our front office is interested in adding a defensive big and agree that we need strength/build more than we need length and bounciness. But above all, we need a defensive presence inside. Turner would fill that need; Collins would not. My ideal would be Steven Adams. Some other NBA centers with size and strength include Nurkic and Alex Len.

lipoli390 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:Glad to hear there might be some openness by the front office of adding a legit big next to KAT. I think we need more bulk and strength than length and bounciness (e.g. Noel), as we seem to get outmuscled more than anything. McDaniels and KAT have enough nimbleness to stay with most opposing forwards. It's the Embiids, Jokics, Valancunias, etc. that just kill us because KAT is simply weaker than those guys and can't afford to get in foul trouble.

I agree on both points, Q. Glad our front office is interested in adding a defensive big and agree that we need strength/build more than we need length and bounciness. But above all, we need a defensive presence inside. Turner would fill that need; Collins would not. My ideal would be Steven Adams. Some other NBA centers with size and strength include Nurkic and Alex Len.

Just watching part if the first half of the Nuggets Suns game...as Q alluded to in a way I think Jokic might be part of the reason the Wolves might have more interest in a legit Center sized guy. Jokic is going to be a problem and at this point in time Towns just isn't strong or big enough to deal with him for 30mpg especially in a series. That doesn't mean you have the theoretical big guy play 30mpg but start the game and give you around 20-25 mpg a chunk of it guarding Jokic would be a good plan. My guess is Jokic would manhandle a guy like Noel and move around the floor to much for a guy that isn't mobile enough so adding a guy in that regard is going to be tough. There are a lot of teams that have problems guarding Jokic but I don't think playing small is going to work. He is just too big.

lipoli390 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:Glad to hear there might be some openness by the front office of adding a legit big next to KAT. I think we need more bulk and strength than length and bounciness (e.g. Noel), as we seem to get outmuscled more than anything. McDaniels and KAT have enough nimbleness to stay with most opposing forwards. It's the Embiids, Jokics, Valancunias, etc. that just kill us because KAT is simply weaker than those guys and can't afford to get in foul trouble.

I agree on both points, Q. Glad our front office is interested in adding a defensive big and agree that we need strength/build more than we need length and bounciness. But above all, we need a defensive presence inside. Turner would fill that need; Collins would not. My ideal would be Steven Adams. Some other NBA centers with size and strength include Nurkic and Alex Len.

Yup, Adams would be awesome. Turner has some issues with health as you pointed out, but on paper, he'd be a great fit too. Rashaun Holmes would be an outstanding addition. Daniel Theis would be an option if the top Center targets are off the table.

Q12543 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:Glad to hear there might be some openness by the front office of adding a legit big next to KAT. I think we need more bulk and strength than length and bounciness (e.g. Noel), as we seem to get outmuscled more than anything. McDaniels and KAT have enough nimbleness to stay with most opposing forwards. It's the Embiids, Jokics, Valancunias, etc. that just kill us because KAT is simply weaker than those guys and can't afford to get in foul trouble.

I agree on both points, Q. Glad our front office is interested in adding a defensive big and agree that we need strength/build more than we need length and bounciness. But above all, we need a defensive presence inside. Turner would fill that need; Collins would not. My ideal would be Steven Adams. Some other NBA centers with size and strength include Nurkic and Alex Len.

Yup, Adams would be awesome. Turner has some issues with health as you pointed out, but on paper, he'd be a great fit too. Rashaun Holmes would be an outstanding addition. Daniel Theis would be an option if the top Center targets are off the table.

I like the two guys you mentioned, especially Holmes. I think they're bot free agents, but their likely market value means the Wolves would need a sign-and-trade to get either one. So it will take trades to get any of the four, whether it's Adams, Turner, Holmes or Theis.

lipoli390 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:Glad to hear there might be some openness by the front office of adding a legit big next to KAT. I think we need more bulk and strength than length and bounciness (e.g. Noel), as we seem to get outmuscled more than anything. McDaniels and KAT have enough nimbleness to stay with most opposing forwards. It's the Embiids, Jokics, Valancunias, etc. that just kill us because KAT is simply weaker than those guys and can't afford to get in foul trouble.

I agree on both points, Q. Glad our front office is interested in adding a defensive big and agree that we need strength/build more than we need length and bounciness. But above all, we need a defensive presence inside. Turner would fill that need; Collins would not. My ideal would be Steven Adams. Some other NBA centers with size and strength include Nurkic and Alex Len.

Yup, Adams would be awesome. Turner has some issues with health as you pointed out, but on paper, he'd be a great fit too. Rashaun Holmes would be an outstanding addition. Daniel Theis would be an option if the top Center targets are off the table.

I like the two guys you mentioned, especially Holmes. I think they're bot free agents, but their likely market value means the Wolves would need a sign-and-trade to get either one. So it will take trades to get any of the four, whether it's Adams, Turner, Holmes or Theis.

I don't think Theis would require a sign and trade. His last contract was 2 years 10 million. Would the wolves want to clear some space to stay under the tax? Sure but I think that would be more likely than a sign and trade. Theis's career is another example of a path of getting a worthwhile player with little investment.

I do wonder if Adam's is reasonably gettable. His contract is pretty reasonable the last 2 years. If they lost Lonzo Ball and they felt like Adam's wasn't really working for them maybe they would have interest in Rubio for Adams plus some sort of sweetener. That feels both reasonable and like I'm being to optimistic.

Another cheap option to consider if the best they can do is a vet min type guy is Willy Hernagomez. It seems like he was more effective all around this year especially as a defender. He certainly isn't plan A or B or even C maybe not even plan D lol but he might be a worthwhile addition for the vet min.

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:Glad to hear there might be some openness by the front office of adding a legit big next to KAT. I think we need more bulk and strength than length and bounciness (e.g. Noel), as we seem to get outmuscled more than anything. McDaniels and KAT have enough nimbleness to stay with most opposing forwards. It's the Embiids, Jokics, Valancunias, etc. that just kill us because KAT is simply weaker than those guys and can't afford to get in foul trouble.

I agree on both points, Q. Glad our front office is interested in adding a defensive big and agree that we need strength/build more than we need length and bounciness. But above all, we need a defensive presence inside. Turner would fill that need; Collins would not. My ideal would be Steven Adams. Some other NBA centers with size and strength include Nurkic and Alex Len.

Yup, Adams would be awesome. Turner has some issues with health as you pointed out, but on paper, he'd be a great fit too. Rashaun Holmes would be an outstanding addition. Daniel Theis would be an option if the top Center targets are off the table.

I like the two guys you mentioned, especially Holmes. I think they're bot free agents, but their likely market value means the Wolves would need a sign-and-trade to get either one. So it will take trades to get any of the four, whether it's Adams, Turner, Holmes or Theis.

I don't think Theis would require a sign and trade. His last contract was 2 years 10 million. Would the wolves want to clear some space to stay under the tax? Sure but I think that would be more likely than a sign and trade. Theis's career is another example of a path of getting a worthwhile player with little investment.

I do wonder if Adam's is reasonably gettable. His contract is pretty reasonable the last 2 years. If they lost Lonzo Ball and they felt like Adam's wasn't really working for them maybe they would have interest in Rubio for Adams plus some sort of sweetener. That feels both reasonable and like I'm being to optimistic.

Another cheap option to consider if the best they can do is a vet min type guy is Willy Hernagomez. It seems like he was more effective all around this year especially as a defender. He certainly isn't plan A or B or even C maybe not even plan D lol but he might be a worthwhile addition for the vet min.

Adams is just not a great fit next to Zion because he clogs up the paint and doesn't have a 3-ball. Zion absolutely needs to play with another stretch big to open up the paint more for him. So I definitely think Adams could be obtained via trade, but we'd have to give up something more than just cap filler (e.g. Rubio) I imagine.

Q12543 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:Glad to hear there might be some openness by the front office of adding a legit big next to KAT. I think we need more bulk and strength than length and bounciness (e.g. Noel), as we seem to get outmuscled more than anything. McDaniels and KAT have enough nimbleness to stay with most opposing forwards. It's the Embiids, Jokics, Valancunias, etc. that just kill us because KAT is simply weaker than those guys and can't afford to get in foul trouble.

I agree on both points, Q. Glad our front office is interested in adding a defensive big and agree that we need strength/build more than we need length and bounciness. But above all, we need a defensive presence inside. Turner would fill that need; Collins would not. My ideal would be Steven Adams. Some other NBA centers with size and strength include Nurkic and Alex Len.

Yup, Adams would be awesome. Turner has some issues with health as you pointed out, but on paper, he'd be a great fit too. Rashaun Holmes would be an outstanding addition. Daniel Theis would be an option if the top Center targets are off the table.

I like the two guys you mentioned, especially Holmes. I think they're bot free agents, but their likely market value means the Wolves would need a sign-and-trade to get either one. So it will take trades to get any of the four, whether it's Adams, Turner, Holmes or Theis.

I don't think Theis would require a sign and trade. His last contract was 2 years 10 million. Would the wolves want to clear some space to stay under the tax? Sure but I think that would be more likely than a sign and trade. Theis's career is another example of a path of getting a worthwhile player with little investment.

I do wonder if Adam's is reasonably gettable. His contract is pretty reasonable the last 2 years. If they lost Lonzo Ball and they felt like Adam's wasn't really working for them maybe they would have interest in Rubio for Adams plus some sort of sweetener. That feels both reasonable and like I'm being to optimistic.

Another cheap option to consider if the best they can do is a vet min type guy is Willy Hernagomez. It seems like he was more effective all around this year especially as a defender. He certainly isn't plan A or B or even C maybe not even plan D lol but he might be a worthwhile addition for the vet min.

Adams is just not a great fit next to Zion because he clogs up the paint and doesn't have a 3-ball. Zion absolutely needs to play with another stretch big to open up the paint more for him. So I definitely think Adams could be obtained via trade, but we'd have to give up something more than just cap filler (e.g. Rubio) I imagine.

Obviously I think Adams is more valueable than Rubio overall but what will the market be for centers? Will there be other teams that want a guy like Adams to make the Wolves have to give up something more than Rubio? MAYBE the Pels would prefer Culver and Juancho over Rubio plus another sweetener. That wouldn't help the Wolves in terms of the Lux tax but I think I'd be willing to pay Glen or whoever's money if we could bring in Adams for a relatively cheap cost in terms of assets. Horford would cost more money but might cost nothing in terms of assets...hmmm...would he fit next to Zion? What do the Pels think of Jaxson Hayes? Is he possibly the future or is he not a fit either? Could he be had and is he any good?

I think the most realistic deal for Adams that would make sense for the Wolves would be Rubio and either Juancho or Culver plus a future 2nd-round pick. I think that would be fair value for New Orleans given the other players on their roster. Whether New Orleans would be interested would depend on the market for Adams. He's not the type of center in high demand around the League. He only makes sense for a team like the Wolves that already has an elite offensive big man who can stretch the floor. Here's the value proposition for New Orleans:

1. Adams doesn't make much sense for them given the fact that they're building around Zion, who is primarily an inside player. With two years $35M left on Adams' contract, I would think New Orleans's front office is interested in moving him.

2. Ricky would give New Orleans a solid veteran PG, which they don't have. Ricky's playmaking and leadership have value for Zion. Also, Ricky has only one year left on his deal, which would give New Orleans $17M in salary-cap relief after next season compared to Adams.

3. Culver would give New Orleans a flier on a young talent with only a one-year commitment at a reasonable salary. As an alternative Juancho would give New Orleans a stretch big who could fit well with Zion. Juancho woudl also give the Pelicans a brother combo, which they might view as having some value.

4. A future 2nd round pick would be a little extra sweetener.

There Pelicans might get better offers. But if they don't, I think they'd do the deal I've outlined.

lipoli390 wrote:I think the most realistic deal for Adams that would make sense for the Wolves would be Rubio and either Juancho or Culver plus a future 2nd-round pick. I think that would be fair value for New Orleans given the other players on their roster. Whether New Orleans would be interested would depend on the market for Adams. He's not the type of center in high demand around the League. He only makes sense for a team like the Wolves that already has an elite offensive big man who can stretch the floor. Here's the value proposition for New Orleans:

1. Adams doesn't make much sense for them given the fact that they're building around Zion, who is primarily an inside player. With two years $35M left on Adams' contract, I would think New Orleans's front office is interested in moving him.

2. Ricky would give New Orleans a solid veteran PG, which they don't have. Ricky's playmaking and leadership have value for Zion. Also, Ricky has only one year left on his deal, which would give New Orleans $17M in salary-cap relief after next season compared to Adams.

3. Culver would give New Orleans a flier on a young talent with only a one-year commitment at a reasonable salary. As an alternative Juancho would give New Orleans a stretch big who could fit well with Zion. Juancho woudl also give the Pelicans a brother combo, which they might view as having some value.

4. A future 2nd round pick would be a little extra sweetener.

There Pelicans might get better offers. But if they don't, I think they'd do the deal I've outlined.

I honestly don't think the Wolves need to give up all that for Adams. We give the Pelicans cap relief one year earlier.

I know I brought it up but I think this Rubio for Adams swap might be an reasonable excellent move for the Wolves

kekgeek1 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:I think the most realistic deal for Adams that would make sense for the Wolves would be Rubio and either Juancho or Culver plus a future 2nd-round pick. I think that would be fair value for New Orleans given the other players on their roster. Whether New Orleans would be interested would depend on the market for Adams. He's not the type of center in high demand around the League. He only makes sense for a team like the Wolves that already has an elite offensive big man who can stretch the floor. Here's the value proposition for New Orleans:

1. Adams doesn't make much sense for them given the fact that they're building around Zion, who is primarily an inside player. With two years $35M left on Adams' contract, I would think New Orleans's front office is interested in moving him.

2. Ricky would give New Orleans a solid veteran PG, which they don't have. Ricky's playmaking and leadership have value for Zion. Also, Ricky has only one year left on his deal, which would give New Orleans $17M in salary-cap relief after next season compared to Adams.

3. Culver would give New Orleans a flier on a young talent with only a one-year commitment at a reasonable salary. As an alternative Juancho would give New Orleans a stretch big who could fit well with Zion. Juancho woudl also give the Pelicans a brother combo, which they might view as having some value.

4. A future 2nd round pick would be a little extra sweetener.

There Pelicans might get better offers. But if they don't, I think they'd do the deal I've outlined.

I honestly don't think the Wolves need to give up all that for Adams. We give the Pelicans cap relief one year earlier.

I know I brought it up but I think this Rubio for Adams swap might be an reasonable excellent move for the Wolves

That would be a ridiculously good move for us. Adams is such a good fit for our roster.