lipoli390 wrote:Crowder just committed two consecutive turnovers that led to buckets by the Nuggets. Just shows you that being an experienced veteran with playoff experience might be overrated. Give me talent and players with high basketball IQs and I don't care a lot about how many years they've been in the League, how many playoff games they've played or how many rings they have.
Drawing such a strong opinion based on two possessions makes me understand why you enjoy Stephen A's hyperbole so much!
Boy, I guess the team that can stay healthy may be the one that wins it all. AD for the Lakers; Murray for Denver; Harden and now Irving for Brooklyn; Conley for Utah.... If all these guys could stay healthy, it would make for one of the deepest set of teams in playoff history.
lipoli390 wrote:Crowder just committed two consecutive turnovers that led to buckets by the Nuggets. Just shows you that being an experienced veteran with playoff experience might be overrated. Give me talent and players with high basketball IQs and I don't care a lot about how many years they've been in the League, how many playoff games they've played or how many rings they have.
Drawing such a strong opinion based on two possessions makes me understand why you enjoy Stephen A's hyperbole so much!
lipoli390 wrote:Crowder just committed two consecutive turnovers that led to buckets by the Nuggets. Just shows you that being an experienced veteran with playoff experience might be overrated. Give me talent and players with high basketball IQs and I don't care a lot about how many years they've been in the League, how many playoff games they've played or how many rings they have.
Drawing such a strong opinion based on two possessions makes me understand why you enjoy Stephen A's hyperbole so much!
Crowder also has 4 blocks in the first half.
And 10 rebounds for the game, which was also impressive. He's a tough, talented role player. That's who he's always been since coming into the League. I'd like to have him on the Wolves based on the talents and toughness he brings to the court. I just don't put a lot of stock in his years of experience as a big selling point.
monsterpile wrote:Jokic ejected...I didn't think it warranted that but it was a dumb thing to do by him. I guess this game is over.
Edit: credit to the Nuggets for keeping this game somewhat interesting till the last couple minutes even with Chris Paul going off.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate CP3? Sure, he's constantly whining to the officials about calls and trying to snake his dribble to bait defenders into fouls, but man, it's impressive to see him as a 36 year old with a long career of injuries still able to bounce back from the shoulder in the first series to really put this series away with four straight great games. At a time when the rest of the league treats the midrange like it's anathema, he makes his living there. There isn't really anybody like him any more.
monsterpile wrote:Jokic ejected...I didn't think it warranted that but it was a dumb thing to do by him. I guess this game is over.
Edit: credit to the Nuggets for keeping this game somewhat interesting till the last couple minutes even with Chris Paul going off.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate CP3? Sure, he's constantly whining to the officials about calls and trying to snake his dribble to bait defenders into fouls, but man, it's impressive to see him as a 36 year old with a long career of injuries still able to bounce back from the shoulder in the first series to really put this series away with four straight great games. At a time when the rest of the league treats the midrange like it's anathema, he makes his living there. There isn't really anybody like him any more.
Yep that's why I said in the "if you could pick one player for one season" thread I would legit consider a guaranteed healthy Chris Paul. It was funny when Reggie miller said "They should put a picture of Chris paul on that same spot on the floor in every arena.
monsterpile wrote:Jokic ejected...I didn't think it warranted that but it was a dumb thing to do by him. I guess this game is over.
Edit: credit to the Nuggets for keeping this game somewhat interesting till the last couple minutes even with Chris Paul going off.
Can we just take a moment to appreciate CP3? Sure, he's constantly whining to the officials about calls and trying to snake his dribble to bait defenders into fouls, but man, it's impressive to see him as a 36 year old with a long career of injuries still able to bounce back from the shoulder in the first series to really put this series away with four straight great games. At a time when the rest of the league treats the midrange like it's anathema, he makes his living there. There isn't really anybody like him any more.
He's been awesome. Let's see if he can keep staying healthy as obviously their chances shrink considerably if he goes down.
As for the mid-range, I still think it's a really key shot to playoff success these days. Paul is one example. But just look at how Brooklyn plays off of Giannis. They literally give him wide open looks all the way down to about 10-12 feet away from the basket. He's broken out a bit these last two games, but that lack of ANY kind of outside shot is problematic.
Also, just watching the Clippers operate against a tough Utah team, Leonard and George are very often forced into mid-range pull-ups because that's all the defense gives them.
If you are trying to get to an elite level of playoff success, you gotta have a mid-range game IMO.
lipoli390 wrote:Crowder just committed two consecutive turnovers that led to buckets by the Nuggets. Just shows you that being an experienced veteran with playoff experience might be overrated. Give me talent and players with high basketball IQs and I don't care a lot about how many years they've been in the League, how many playoff games they've played or how many rings they have.
Crowder has a whopping 66 TOs in 82 career playoff games... has had 1 or fewer TOs in 68 out of 82 playoff games... and has never had more than 8 TOs in any playoff series.
So it's kinda ironic his entire career is being ripped for a one minute stretch where he had 2 TOs.
[Note: As for "high basketball IQ" ... sometimes it comes from playing many years in the league. It isn't always the case... but sometimes, the two are connected.]
lipoli390 wrote:Crowder just committed two consecutive turnovers that led to buckets by the Nuggets. Just shows you that being an experienced veteran with playoff experience might be overrated. Give me talent and players with high basketball IQs and I don't care a lot about how many years they've been in the League, how many playoff games they've played or how many rings they have.
Crowder has a whopping 66 TOs in 82 career playoff games... has had 1 or fewer TOs in 68 out of 82 playoff games... and has never had more than 8 TOs in any playoff series.
So it's kinda ironic his entire career is being ripped for a one minute stretch where he had 2 TOs.
[Note: As for "high basketball IQ" ... sometimes it comes from playing many years in the league. It isn't always the case... but sometimes, the two are connected.]
I think with a guy like Crowder, the term "knows his role" fits best. And I do think that comes from some level of experience. He probably realized pretty early that he wasn't going to be a star, so he honed in on defense and improving his 3-point shot. PJ Tucker, Trevor Ariza, Dorian Finney-Smith, Royce O'Neal, Mikal Bridges, Robert Covington....the list goes on, but just SUPER valuable players to a team that already has a couple of high usage stars. Where these guys have succeeded is where our version of that guy - Josh Okogie - has failed, being a total non-factor from outsdie the arc despite having multiple offseasons to get better in that area.
