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lipoli390 wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:No coach could get 20 wins out of this roster as long as KAT is sitting.

I don't really disagree with you in theory but the wolves are not even competitive

Blame the players or the front office then. Why is this bad roster and the players failure to execute, in your mind, primarily Ryan's fault? A new coach won't solve anything.

This isn't an either/or issue. This roster, especially without KAT, is pretty bad. But that doesn't mean the team wouldn't be better than it's been if it had a better head coach. Ryan is even clueless when it comes to using challenges. He's in way over his head. However, I agree that we have a fundamental roster problem. This all ties back to Rosas. This team is headed for a total rebuild under a new front office. It's just a matter of when.

I agree. I am expecting Ryan to get fired but unless the front office is changed and the team is rebuilt through the draft, the Wolves will continue to field a bottom dwelling team. Another year will be wasted as we deal with the fallout from the disastrous DLO trade. I sure hope the Wolves have a new GM heading into the 2022-23 season and we can rebuild yet again.

Camden wrote:Oh, look, a Dave Joerger showing on the broadcast. That's a guy I'd be happy to have on Minnesota's bench. My shortlist would be Joerger, Kenny Atkinson, Jerry Stackhouse, and David Vanterpool.

Camden wrote:Ricky's just losing his dribble without even doing anything advanced with it. This is so sad.

I didn't watch tonight's game, but I noticed this post and it reminded me that Ricky has been losing his dribble quite a bit this season. He's always had his weaknesses - poor shooter, not athletic and not super quick. But he's always been a great ball-handler, a pinpoint passer and effective within his limits. But this season, he looks like a shell of himself. I agree that it's really sad to see. But then I get angry at Rosas for giving up a first round pick to pay him $17M per year. I thought it was a bad idea on draft day before without knowing that Ricky's game was going to deteriorate like this.

KG4Ever wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:No coach could get 20 wins out of this roster as long as KAT is sitting.

I don't really disagree with you in theory but the wolves are not even competitive

Blame the players or the front office then. Why is this bad roster and the players failure to execute, in your mind, primarily Ryan's fault? A new coach won't solve anything.

This isn't an either/or issue. This roster, especially without KAT, is pretty bad. But that doesn't mean the team wouldn't be better than it's been if it had a better head coach. Ryan is even clueless when it comes to using challenges. He's in way over his head. However, I agree that we have a fundamental roster problem. This all ties back to Rosas. This team is headed for a total rebuild under a new front office. It's just a matter of when.

I agree. I am expecting Ryan to get fired but unless the front office is changed and the team is rebuilt through the draft, the Wolves will continue to field a bottom dwelling team.

Yep.

lipoli390 wrote:I didn't watch tonight's game, so I'm interested in some insights from those who did. I saw the box score, which suggests that DLO was terrible, shooting 28% from the field (1-7 from behind the arc) with 0 rebounds and 2 turnovers. The only starter who looked good in the box score was Beasley. Edwards took more than half his shots from behind the arc. That's not a good sign.

Lip, Edwards had a tough time getting to the rim with Embiid parked there all night. Rim protection is still a nice thing to have in the NBA. Unless of course you're the Wolves who don't get it.

lipoli390 wrote:I didn't watch tonight's game, so I'm interested in some insights from those who did. I saw the box score, which suggests that DLO was terrible, shooting 28% from the field (1-7 from behind the arc) with 0 rebounds and 2 turnovers. The only starter who looked good in the box score was Beasley. Edwards took more than half his shots from behind the arc. That's not a good sign.

He was fine (wolves need better then fine out of our max player). He tried to get players involved early and players were missing shot after shot. I don't think he took many terrible shots tonight, his jumper just wasn't falling. His defense was solid early but in the late third when the game was over he was putting 0 effort in on that end of the floor.

Main issues tonight was the Wolves have no plan offensively, just ran a ton of iso PnR with Dlo and Edwards. Then Rubio was so bad again tonight, I was calling for Jmac but we didn't see him until garbage time. Another Center at the wolves alive with Embiid having 35 and 11 without even playing in the 4th. The Wolves rarely doubled and left Davis and Vandy on an island to try to stop Embiid and it went terribly.

I would say if Beasley would of had Dlo stat line tonight we would of said nothing. I don't think he killed us but when the Wolves are short handed and he is making the max he needs to play better. (I hate that the Wolves like never run him on off ball screen, why can't we have some possession where we use Dlo like we use Beasley because Dlo can flat out shoot it.)

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:I didn't watch tonight's game, so I'm interested in some insights from those who did. I saw the box score, which suggests that DLO was terrible, shooting 28% from the field (1-7 from behind the arc) with 0 rebounds and 2 turnovers. The only starter who looked good in the box score was Beasley. Edwards took more than half his shots from behind the arc. That's not a good sign.

Lip, Edwards had a tough time getting to the rim with Embiid parked there all night. Rim protection is still a nice thing to have in the NBA. Unless of course you're the Wolves who don't get it.

Agreed with this. I do like Ed Davis, because he does a ton of little things great but Embiid was camped in the lane all night and made it really hard for the Wolves to get to the rim.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:I didn't watch tonight's game, so I'm interested in some insights from those who did. I saw the box score, which suggests that DLO was terrible, shooting 28% from the field (1-7 from behind the arc) with 0 rebounds and 2 turnovers. The only starter who looked good in the box score was Beasley. Edwards took more than half his shots from behind the arc. That's not a good sign.

Lip, Edwards had a tough time getting to the rim with Embiid parked there all night. Rim protection is still a nice thing to have in the NBA. Unless of course you're the Wolves who don't get it.

Lol. I decided to laugh at your comment about rim protection because otherwise I'd cry. I feel like I'm in the twilight zone with this Wolves front office. We've had incompetent PBOs before, but I don't think we've ever had one as clueless as Rosas. Even David Kahn understood that rim protection is sort of a big deal in the NBA. Speaking of Kahn, even Darko would be a welcome addition to this roster. :)

lipoli390 wrote:

Camden wrote:Oh, look, a Dave Joerger showing on the broadcast. That's a guy I'd be happy to have on Minnesota's bench. My shortlist would be Joerger, Kenny Atkinson, Jerry Stackhouse, and David Vanterpool.

Camden wrote:Ricky's just losing his dribble without even doing anything advanced with it. This is so sad.

I didn't watch tonight's game, but I noticed this post and it reminded me that Ricky has been losing his dribble quite a bit this season. He's always had his weaknesses - poor shooter, not athletic and not super quick. But he's always been a great ball-handler, a pinpoint passer and effective within his limits. But this season, he looks like a shell of himself. I agree that it's really sad to see. But then I get angry at Rosas for giving up a first round pick to pay him $17M per year. I thought it was a bad idea on draft day before without knowing that Ricky's game was going to deteriorate like this.

I hope its either just a slump or, adapting to being a backup on a dysfunctional team, but I also fear that his bout with COVID may have had a negative effect on him. He looked great last year, and he just turned 30, so I don't think its age related.

KG4Ever wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Camden wrote:Oh, look, a Dave Joerger showing on the broadcast. That's a guy I'd be happy to have on Minnesota's bench. My shortlist would be Joerger, Kenny Atkinson, Jerry Stackhouse, and David Vanterpool.

Camden wrote:Ricky's just losing his dribble without even doing anything advanced with it. This is so sad.

I didn't watch tonight's game, but I noticed this post and it reminded me that Ricky has been losing his dribble quite a bit this season. He's always had his weaknesses - poor shooter, not athletic and not super quick. But he's always been a great ball-handler, a pinpoint passer and effective within his limits. But this season, he looks like a shell of himself. I agree that it's really sad to see. But then I get angry at Rosas for giving up a first round pick to pay him $17M per year. I thought it was a bad idea on draft day before without knowing that Ricky's game was going to deteriorate like this.

I hope its either just a slump or, adapting to being a backup on a dysfunctional team, but I also fear that his bout with COVID may have had a negative effect on him. He looked great last year, and he just turned 30, so I don't think its age related.

I think you might be right on your points because Rubio was coming off a career year. I do think some of it is the offensive system. We are supposed to be a drive and kick and react team but the Wolves are a very young team that doesn't react well and couple that with Rubio is not a factor to score combined with you usually plays with players who are 0s on offense, I think this system is terrible for Rubio. I think this is why we see Jmac have good success when he plays because he can drive with a good chance at scoring and puts pressure on the defense something Rubio hasn't been able to his whole career.

I don't know...I thought DLO was terrible, Rubio was worse. And then when you think they were saving J-Mac for the 2-way, lo and behold they trot him out there for garbage time.

I think one reason they don't run off ball screens for DLO is he's too damn slow. Seriously, you gotta have some speed to come off screens and then catch and shoot before your guy recovers. I just don't think he can get much separation.

I think it's possible that at some point Edwards starts or comes in super early with the starters at SF and becomes the slasher/dribble drive player that sucks in the defense and gets Beasley, DLO, and KAT some shots that they don't have to manufacture themselves for once. But in my opinion, he needs to do better against bench players first.