Just accept Wiggins suckiness (Wolves vs Memphis GDT)

[Monster]

Ok there should be no excuses the Wolves should have won this game but my goodness t felt like at times the Grizz were just nailing contested shots then the Wolves would miss some easy buckets on the other end. If they had won it I would have said it was a weird good ugly win. Tough way to lose the way it ended but they didn't deserve enough to get upset about any calls

Saric returned to being a good player. That was a big positive and Deng was terrific.

Like I said innthe playoff thread it's over folks play out the season not all our tank but make some moves for next year. I'd keep Rose though.

[Lipoli390]

Ok there should be no excuses the Wolves should have won this game but my goodness t felt like at times the Grizz were just nailing contested shots then the Wolves would miss some easy buckets on the other end. If they had won it I would have said it was a weird good ugly win. Tough way to lose the way it ended but they didn't deserve enough to get upset about any calls

Saric returned to being a good player. That was a big positive and Deng was terrific.

Like I said innthe playoff thread it's over folks play out the season not all our tank but make some moves for next year. I'd keep Rose though.

I agree, Monster. Saric and Deng were big positives last night. And yes, we need to look ahead to next season. However, unlike you, I'm all in on tanking. :)

[Monster]

Ok there should be no excuses the Wolves should have won this game but my goodness t felt like at times the Grizz were just nailing contested shots then the Wolves would miss some easy buckets on the other end. If they had won it I would have said it was a weird good ugly win. Tough way to lose the way it ended but they didn't deserve enough to get upset about any calls

Saric returned to being a good player. That was a big positive and Deng was terrific.

Like I said innthe playoff thread it's over folks play out the season not all our tank but make some moves for next year. I'd keep Rose though.

I agree, Monster. Saric and Deng were big positives last night. And yes, we need to look ahead to next season. However, unlike you, I'm all in on tanking. :)

I'm alright if we lose games...sorta...if you know what I mean but I'm not interested in just absolutely going into tank mode. We should be playing some young players though I would call it more of a development mode but play some vets so it's not just a bloodbath of young players. To some extent We need to evaluate Ryan too.

[AbeVigodaLive]

Man you would think Saunders would change the inbounds play once

JFC, we get it. Let it go dude.

Im not going to let it go. People shit on Thibs constantly all the time. On how it was all Thibs fault. Now do I really think its Saunders fault no. I think it is a players league and we don't have many good players. But why can't I blame Saunders for poor play and people are allowed to bash thibs every second they got just because Saunders is a nicer dude.

(1) It's a combination of players and coaching. If you don'l think coaching matters a lot, look at what the Pacers are doing with their roster - even without Oladipo not just now but earlier in the season as well. And come on.


(2) There's no defending Thibodeau.

(1) Nate McMillian has been fired before... and he's won 1 playoff series in 15 years as a head coach. He's "fine"... but has not been considered a great coach on the rise or anything.

(2) I don't think very many (anybody?) has DEFENDED Tom Thibodeau in a very long time on this site. And to suggest that anybody is defending him now goes right to the problem I've had this season here.

The Tom Thibodeau is the Devil angle has been off the charts. Beyond Thad Young. Beyond Wiggins. Beyond Barea. It was insane with some posters seemingly incapable of writing a single post about anything Wolves related without criticizing him in one way or another. He was bad. Ok. But we've piled so much on one guy who is actually pretty irrelevant in the scheme of things.

Personally, I think it's self-preservation. Because once you strip away the "It's ALL Thibs fault"... we all realize that this is a middling non-playoff team for the foreseeable without some unprecedented string of good luck.

And for a downtrodden fanbase who was finally given a glimmer of legit hope, only to see it covered by a shroud of darkness so quickly, after watching the NBA's worst franchise for 13 years... that's a hard pill to swallow.

[Wolvesfan21]

Abe- I'm not sure anyone was saying it was all Thibs fault, but it also at the same time was because he brought the players in. I knew the players were not adequate that Thibs brought in but I also thought his years of coaching them couldn't have done any favors either. How he potentially stunted their growth we can only speculate and will never really know.

The team is just as it was under Thibs for the most part. Losing to bad teams without many of their good players. How long do you think you should give Ryan to show any improvement? He never had an offseason and was thrown into the fire. Can he be expected to make an impact right away?

[AbeVigodaLive]

Abe- I'm not sure anyone was saying it was all Thibs fault, but it also at the same time was because he brought the players in. I knew the players were not adequate that Thibs brought in but I also thought his years of coaching them couldn't have done any favors either. How he potentially stunted their growth we can only speculate and will never really know.

The team is just as it was under Thibs for the most part. Losing to bad teams without many of their good players. How long do you think you should give Ryan to show any improvement? He never had an offseason and was thrown into the fire. Can he be expected to make an impact right away?

Saunders is in a tough spot. There's not much he can do... not much any coach can do. And that's why he's in charge for the rest of the season. It's a lost cause.

I'm just pointing out the anti-Thibs contingent (where even somebody suggesting that players are more important than coaches) gets blamed as a Thibs apologist was out of control.

Blaming coach after coach after coach after coach is what fans of really shitty organizations do. It's easier than accepting the fate of a shitty franchise facing more extended periods of non-competitiveness.

I don't know what the problem is. I assume it's a bit of Taylor. A bit of Thibs. A bit of Wiggins. A bit of Towns. A bit of this... a bit of that. But now that the anti-christ is gone... we're going to have to eventually get over the "but Thibs left us with this mess" mentality. Just like we can no longer blame David Kahn or Sam Mitchell or JJ Barea or Adelman or McHale or Thad Young.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Last night in Memphis...

In 32:40 w/ Dario Saric ON -- MIN outscored MEM 91-62 (+29)
In 15:20 w/ Dario Saric OFF -- MIN was outscored 46-15 (-31)

It's almost like Saric is good, or something...

[worldK]

Breakou

Last night in Memphis...

In 32:40 w/ Dario Saric ON -- MIN outscored MEM 91-62 (+29)
In 15:20 w/ Dario Saric OFF -- MIN was outscored 46-15 (-31)

It's almost like Saric is good, or something...

Saric is good. Wanted him to start since we got him. But he was in a shooting slump for a long time there and it was nice to see him have a breakout game on offense. That said, saric should start over taj. He is only 24 and I have him as part our core going forward. Play him and towns and wig as much as you can. I also wont mind deng starting in place of okogie. Deng/saric/towns/wig/healthy pg has been ou go to lineup the last couple of games. might as well start them.

[crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]]

Breakou

Last night in Memphis...

In 32:40 w/ Dario Saric ON -- MIN outscored MEM 91-62 (+29)
In 15:20 w/ Dario Saric OFF -- MIN was outscored 46-15 (-31)

It's almost like Saric is good, or something...

Saric is good. Wanted him to start since we got him. But he was in a shooting slump for a long time there and it was nice to see him have a breakout game on offense. That said, saric should start over taj. He is only 24 and I have him as part our core going forward. Play him and towns and wig as much as you can. I also wont mind deng starting in place of okogie. Deng/saric/towns/wig/healthy pg has been ou go to lineup the last couple of games. might as well start them.

I think saric should be inserted into the starting line up to see what we're have and his long term fit with kat.

[Monster]

Breakou

Last night in Memphis...

In 32:40 w/ Dario Saric ON -- MIN outscored MEM 91-62 (+29)
In 15:20 w/ Dario Saric OFF -- MIN was outscored 46-15 (-31)

It's almost like Saric is good, or something...

Saric is good. Wanted him to start since we got him. But he was in a shooting slump for a long time there and it was nice to see him have a breakout game on offense. That said, saric should start over taj. He is only 24 and I have him as part our core going forward. Play him and towns and wig as much as you can. I also wont mind deng starting in place of okogie. Deng/saric/towns/wig/healthy pg has been ou go to lineup the last couple of games. might as well start them.

I think saric should be inserted into the starting line up to see what we're have and his long term fit with kat.

I agree get Saric in there and see what we have. Reward him for that performance and let's see what we have going forward.