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monsterpile wrote:Wiggins was mostly disappointing on offense but did some other good stuff at least. Meanwhile one of the last possessions of the game Wiggins has the Ball Towns comes sets s screen Wiggins drives and makes and easy pass to a wide open Towns for 3 which he misses. WHY not do that again at the end of the game?!?!?!? Also if Bruno played 75% as good as he did in this game most games he would make a bunch of money. Dude is huge almost as tall as Towns and looks down on Wiggins. He has never put it together.

Ugly game I was livid at some of the calls missed around the end of the 3rd and beginning of the 4th quarter. Wolves did stay in this one playing some solid D even though Memphis sucks at offense the Wolves still were getting int done. Is Bayless dong what Old Man Jarrett Jack did last year playing somewhat experienced and more effective than maybe the stats show? Heck of a game for him.

I wasn't sure about that timeout that Ryan took where it was a use it or lose it situation either. I wonder how many minutes Bayless had played at that point. Dude was looking gassed even after a timeout in overtime. That timeout for the 2nd jump ball ended up looking smart. Jim was befuddled at how Memphis lined up for that jump ball. I was too. Made Ryan look like a genius for taking the timeout.

Ugly win but we got it. The Wolves keep hanging around and doing it with Bayless and some other guys playing minutes often out of position.

longstrangetrip wrote:

monsterpile wrote:Wiggins was mostly disappointing on offense but did some other good stuff at least. Meanwhile one of the last possessions of the game Wiggins has the Ball Towns comes sets s screen Wiggins drives and makes and easy pass to a wide open Towns for 3 which he misses. WHY not do that again at the end of the game?!?!?!? Also if Bruno played 75% as good as he did in this game most games he would make a bunch of money. Dude is huge almost as tall as Towns and looks down on Wiggins. He has never put it together.

Ugly game I was livid at some of the calls missed around the end of the 3rd and beginning of the 4th quarter. Wolves did stay in this one playing some solid D even though Memphis sucks at offense the Wolves still were getting int done. Is Bayless dong what Old Man Jarrett Jack did last year playing somewhat experienced and more effective than maybe the stats show? Heck of a game for him.

I wasn't sure about that timeout that Ryan took where it was a use it or lose it situation either. I wonder how many minutes Bayless had played at that point. Dude was looking gassed even after a timeout in overtime. That timeout for the 2nd jump ball ended up looking smart. Jim was befuddled at how Memphis lined up for that jump ball. I was too. Made Ryan look like a genius for taking the timeout.

Ugly win but we got it. The Wolves keep hanging around and doing it with Bayless and some other guys playing minutes often out of position.

I thought so at the time too, monster, and my son and I were discussing what was happening in the huddle. We both thought Ryan was assuming Towns would win the tip (he seems to be at about 90% this season) and Ryan was drawing up a play for the last seconds. But his post-game conference was confusing to me. He said he didn't want to use his final timeout (after the won tip) to design a play because teams often play better in the flow. What? So he didn't have a play drawn up assuming we win the tip? If not, that's unacceptable. And you can't imagine how much noise 4500 people can make groaning when they realized our final play was going to be 4 for19 Wig going one-on-one! Ryan has shown a talent for drawing up creative plays out of time outs, so shame on him for letting point Wig try to win the game. Fortunately KAT bailed him out, because Ryan didn't really deserve it with his end of game management.

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longstrangetrip wrote:

monsterpile wrote:Wiggins was mostly disappointing on offense but did some other good stuff at least. Meanwhile one of the last possessions of the game Wiggins has the Ball Towns comes sets s screen Wiggins drives and makes and easy pass to a wide open Towns for 3 which he misses. WHY not do that again at the end of the game?!?!?!? Also if Bruno played 75% as good as he did in this game most games he would make a bunch of money. Dude is huge almost as tall as Towns and looks down on Wiggins. He has never put it together.

Ugly game I was livid at some of the calls missed around the end of the 3rd and beginning of the 4th quarter. Wolves did stay in this one playing some solid D even though Memphis sucks at offense the Wolves still were getting int done. Is Bayless dong what Old Man Jarrett Jack did last year playing somewhat experienced and more effective than maybe the stats show? Heck of a game for him.

I wasn't sure about that timeout that Ryan took where it was a use it or lose it situation either. I wonder how many minutes Bayless had played at that point. Dude was looking gassed even after a timeout in overtime. That timeout for the 2nd jump ball ended up looking smart. Jim was befuddled at how Memphis lined up for that jump ball. I was too. Made Ryan look like a genius for taking the timeout.

Ugly win but we got it. The Wolves keep hanging around and doing it with Bayless and some other guys playing minutes often out of position.

I thought so at the time too, monster, and my son and I were discussing what was happening in the huddle. We both thought Ryan was assuming Towns would win the tip (he seems to be at about 90% this season) and Ryan was drawing up a play for the last seconds. But his post-game conference was confusing to me. He said he didn't want to use his final timeout (after the won tip) to design a play because teams often play better in the flow. What? So he didn't have a play drawn up assuming we win the tip? If not, that's unacceptable. And you can't imagine how much noise 4500 people can make groaning when they realized our final play was going to be 4 for19 Wig going one-on-one! Ryan has shown a talent for drawing up creative plays out of time outs, so shame on him for letting point Wig try to win the game. Fortunately KAT bailed him out, because Ryan didn't really deserve it with his end of game management.

I just watched the possession again. It looks like Wiggins wanted that shot. He waived off Bayless and Bayless was over there a few seconds jumping up and down for Wiggins to do something. I'm not positive Ryan didn't have something else planned. Wiggins shot was not terrible he got plenty of separation and a clean look. It's not what I would prefer but at least he had a point in the game where he actually demanded the ball

longstrangetrip wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

monsterpile wrote:Wiggins was mostly disappointing on offense but did some other good stuff at least. Meanwhile one of the last possessions of the game Wiggins has the Ball Towns comes sets s screen Wiggins drives and makes and easy pass to a wide open Towns for 3 which he misses. WHY not do that again at the end of the game?!?!?!? Also if Bruno played 75% as good as he did in this game most games he would make a bunch of money. Dude is huge almost as tall as Towns and looks down on Wiggins. He has never put it together.

Ugly game I was livid at some of the calls missed around the end of the 3rd and beginning of the 4th quarter. Wolves did stay in this one playing some solid D even though Memphis sucks at offense the Wolves still were getting int done. Is Bayless dong what Old Man Jarrett Jack did last year playing somewhat experienced and more effective than maybe the stats show? Heck of a game for him.

I wasn't sure about that timeout that Ryan took where it was a use it or lose it situation either. I wonder how many minutes Bayless had played at that point. Dude was looking gassed even after a timeout in overtime. That timeout for the 2nd jump ball ended up looking smart. Jim was befuddled at how Memphis lined up for that jump ball. I was too. Made Ryan look like a genius for taking the timeout.

Ugly win but we got it. The Wolves keep hanging around and doing it with Bayless and some other guys playing minutes often out of position.

I thought so at the time too, monster, and my son and I were discussing what was happening in the huddle. We both thought Ryan was assuming Towns would win the tip (he seems to be at about 90% this season) and Ryan was drawing up a play for the last seconds. But his post-game conference was confusing to me. He said he didn't want to use his final timeout (after the won tip) to design a play because teams often play better in the flow. What? So he didn't have a play drawn up assuming we win the tip? If not, that's unacceptable. And you can't imagine how much noise 4500 people can make groaning when they realized our final play was going to be 4 for19 Wig going one-on-one! Ryan has shown a talent for drawing up creative plays out of time outs, so shame on him for letting point Wig try to win the game. Fortunately KAT bailed him out, because Ryan didn't really deserve it with his end of game management.

I just watched the possession again. It looks like Wiggins wanted that shot. He waived off Bayless and Bayless was over there a few seconds jumping up and down for Wiggins to do something. I'm not positive Ryan didn't have something else planned. Wiggins shot was not terrible he got plenty of separation and a clean look. It's not what I would prefer but at least he had a point in the game where he actually demanded the ball

We saw that too, monster, and maybe it's somewhat of a good thing that Wig really wanted the ball. But Bayless is a PG and also was our best player last night, so the ball has to be in his hands on that last possession. I wonder what Ryan said during that time out. If he didn't give guidance on what to do after winning the tip, or if he designed Point Wiggins, than shame on Ryan...that's poor decision-making and game management remindful of the recent Dark Ages. But if he did design a play other than Point Wiggins, and Wig ignored him, then shame on Wig...and I hope Ryan talks to him privately. I tend to think Ryan didn't give direction on that final offensive play (not good) and Wig just did what they have done in those situations all season. I guess we will never know.

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monsterpile wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

monsterpile wrote:Wiggins was mostly disappointing on offense but did some other good stuff at least. Meanwhile one of the last possessions of the game Wiggins has the Ball Towns comes sets s screen Wiggins drives and makes and easy pass to a wide open Towns for 3 which he misses. WHY not do that again at the end of the game?!?!?!? Also if Bruno played 75% as good as he did in this game most games he would make a bunch of money. Dude is huge almost as tall as Towns and looks down on Wiggins. He has never put it together.

Ugly game I was livid at some of the calls missed around the end of the 3rd and beginning of the 4th quarter. Wolves did stay in this one playing some solid D even though Memphis sucks at offense the Wolves still were getting int done. Is Bayless dong what Old Man Jarrett Jack did last year playing somewhat experienced and more effective than maybe the stats show? Heck of a game for him.

I wasn't sure about that timeout that Ryan took where it was a use it or lose it situation either. I wonder how many minutes Bayless had played at that point. Dude was looking gassed even after a timeout in overtime. That timeout for the 2nd jump ball ended up looking smart. Jim was befuddled at how Memphis lined up for that jump ball. I was too. Made Ryan look like a genius for taking the timeout.

Ugly win but we got it. The Wolves keep hanging around and doing it with Bayless and some other guys playing minutes often out of position.

I thought so at the time too, monster, and my son and I were discussing what was happening in the huddle. We both thought Ryan was assuming Towns would win the tip (he seems to be at about 90% this season) and Ryan was drawing up a play for the last seconds. But his post-game conference was confusing to me. He said he didn't want to use his final timeout (after the won tip) to design a play because teams often play better in the flow. What? So he didn't have a play drawn up assuming we win the tip? If not, that's unacceptable. And you can't imagine how much noise 4500 people can make groaning when they realized our final play was going to be 4 for19 Wig going one-on-one! Ryan has shown a talent for drawing up creative plays out of time outs, so shame on him for letting point Wig try to win the game. Fortunately KAT bailed him out, because Ryan didn't really deserve it with his end of game management.

I just watched the possession again. It looks like Wiggins wanted that shot. He waived off Bayless and Bayless was over there a few seconds jumping up and down for Wiggins to do something. I'm not positive Ryan didn't have something else planned. Wiggins shot was not terrible he got plenty of separation and a clean look. It's not what I would prefer but at least he had a point in the game where he actually demanded the ball

We saw that too, monster, and maybe it's somewhat of a good thing that Wig really wanted the ball. But Bayless is a PG and also was our best player last night, so the ball has to be in his hands on that last possession. I wonder what Ryan said during that time out. If he didn't give guidance on what to do after winning the tip, or if he designed Point Wiggins, than shame on Ryan...that's poor decision-making and game management remindful of the recent Dark Ages. But if he did design a play other than Point Wiggins, and Wig ignored him, then shame on Wig...and I hope Ryan talks to him privately. I tend to think Ryan didn't give direction on that final offensive play (not good) and Wig just did what they have done in those situations all season. I guess we will never know.

To me that last possession is a confusing intersection of process/results. Wiggins is a guy that's had a season where he scored nearly 24ppg. He is guarded by an underachieving guy that's basically a G-leaguer. On some level that's a mismatch in favor of Wiggins. Now Bruno had played very well defensively up to that point so...was that a good decision and process? What is a reasonable expectation of a good shot at the end of a game? Again Wiggins got off a clean although somewhat off balanced longer 2. He also wanted that shot. To me you could make a case for some positives of process in that situation regardless of the result. I'm not saying it was ALL positive in the process but I see SOME positive there. One other process thing they got right waseveryone wasspaced out. I think Taj was the only one inside the paint and he was in the Dunker's spot kinda mucking things up screening around to make Gasol and Rabb have to fight around to guard either him or Towns.

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monsterpile wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

monsterpile wrote:Wiggins was mostly disappointing on offense but did some other good stuff at least. Meanwhile one of the last possessions of the game Wiggins has the Ball Towns comes sets s screen Wiggins drives and makes and easy pass to a wide open Towns for 3 which he misses. WHY not do that again at the end of the game?!?!?!? Also if Bruno played 75% as good as he did in this game most games he would make a bunch of money. Dude is huge almost as tall as Towns and looks down on Wiggins. He has never put it together.

Ugly game I was livid at some of the calls missed around the end of the 3rd and beginning of the 4th quarter. Wolves did stay in this one playing some solid D even though Memphis sucks at offense the Wolves still were getting int done. Is Bayless dong what Old Man Jarrett Jack did last year playing somewhat experienced and more effective than maybe the stats show? Heck of a game for him.

I wasn't sure about that timeout that Ryan took where it was a use it or lose it situation either. I wonder how many minutes Bayless had played at that point. Dude was looking gassed even after a timeout in overtime. That timeout for the 2nd jump ball ended up looking smart. Jim was befuddled at how Memphis lined up for that jump ball. I was too. Made Ryan look like a genius for taking the timeout.

Ugly win but we got it. The Wolves keep hanging around and doing it with Bayless and some other guys playing minutes often out of position.

I thought so at the time too, monster, and my son and I were discussing what was happening in the huddle. We both thought Ryan was assuming Towns would win the tip (he seems to be at about 90% this season) and Ryan was drawing up a play for the last seconds. But his post-game conference was confusing to me. He said he didn't want to use his final timeout (after the won tip) to design a play because teams often play better in the flow. What? So he didn't have a play drawn up assuming we win the tip? If not, that's unacceptable. And you can't imagine how much noise 4500 people can make groaning when they realized our final play was going to be 4 for19 Wig going one-on-one! Ryan has shown a talent for drawing up creative plays out of time outs, so shame on him for letting point Wig try to win the game. Fortunately KAT bailed him out, because Ryan didn't really deserve it with his end of game management.

I just watched the possession again. It looks like Wiggins wanted that shot. He waived off Bayless and Bayless was over there a few seconds jumping up and down for Wiggins to do something. I'm not positive Ryan didn't have something else planned. Wiggins shot was not terrible he got plenty of separation and a clean look. It's not what I would prefer but at least he had a point in the game where he actually demanded the ball

We saw that too, monster, and maybe it's somewhat of a good thing that Wig really wanted the ball. But Bayless is a PG and also was our best player last night, so the ball has to be in his hands on that last possession. I wonder what Ryan said during that time out. If he didn't give guidance on what to do after winning the tip, or if he designed Point Wiggins, than shame on Ryan...that's poor decision-making and game management remindful of the recent Dark Ages. But if he did design a play other than Point Wiggins, and Wig ignored him, then shame on Wig...and I hope Ryan talks to him privately. I tend to think Ryan didn't give direction on that final offensive play (not good) and Wig just did what they have done in those situations all season. I guess we will never know.

To me that last possession is a confusing intersection of process/results. Wiggins is a guy that's had a season where he scored nearly 24ppg. He is guarded by an underachieving guy that's basically a G-leaguer. On some level that's a mismatch in favor of Wiggins. Now Bruno had played very well defensively up to that point so...was that a good decision and process? What is a reasonable expectation of a good shot at the end of a game? Again Wiggins got off a clean although somewhat off balanced longer 2. He also wanted that shot. To me you could make a case for some positives of process in that situation regardless of the result. I'm not saying it was ALL positive in the process but I see SOME positive there. One other process thing they got right waseveryone wasspaced out. I think Taj was the only one inside the paint and he was in the Dunker's spot kinda mucking things up screening around to make Gasol and Rabb have to fight around to guard either him or Towns.

There is nothing positive in a process that puts the crunch-time offense in the hands of a poor ballhandler with bad hands and marginal passing skills. It really troubles me that Ryan Saunders continues that practice with Wiggins. I like a lot of what I've seen so far from Ryan. But continuing to use Wiggins as a primarily ballhandler to close out quarters or in crunch time should eventually disqualify him from continuing as the Wolves head coach beyond this season. Bayless should have been handling the ball as our only good ballhandler on the floor and our hottest players at the time. Having Bayless rather than Wiggins with the ball at that point is the easy stuff. Our head coach has to at least get the easy stuff right. I'm pulling for Ryan to prove himself and continue as our head coach beyond this season. It will be interesting to see how things go the rest of the season.

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monsterpile wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

longstrangetrip wrote:

monsterpile wrote:Wiggins was mostly disappointing on offense but did some other good stuff at least. Meanwhile one of the last possessions of the game Wiggins has the Ball Towns comes sets s screen Wiggins drives and makes and easy pass to a wide open Towns for 3 which he misses. WHY not do that again at the end of the game?!?!?!? Also if Bruno played 75% as good as he did in this game most games he would make a bunch of money. Dude is huge almost as tall as Towns and looks down on Wiggins. He has never put it together.

Ugly game I was livid at some of the calls missed around the end of the 3rd and beginning of the 4th quarter. Wolves did stay in this one playing some solid D even though Memphis sucks at offense the Wolves still were getting int done. Is Bayless dong what Old Man Jarrett Jack did last year playing somewhat experienced and more effective than maybe the stats show? Heck of a game for him.

I wasn't sure about that timeout that Ryan took where it was a use it or lose it situation either. I wonder how many minutes Bayless had played at that point. Dude was looking gassed even after a timeout in overtime. That timeout for the 2nd jump ball ended up looking smart. Jim was befuddled at how Memphis lined up for that jump ball. I was too. Made Ryan look like a genius for taking the timeout.

Ugly win but we got it. The Wolves keep hanging around and doing it with Bayless and some other guys playing minutes often out of position.

I thought so at the time too, monster, and my son and I were discussing what was happening in the huddle. We both thought Ryan was assuming Towns would win the tip (he seems to be at about 90% this season) and Ryan was drawing up a play for the last seconds. But his post-game conference was confusing to me. He said he didn't want to use his final timeout (after the won tip) to design a play because teams often play better in the flow. What? So he didn't have a play drawn up assuming we win the tip? If not, that's unacceptable. And you can't imagine how much noise 4500 people can make groaning when they realized our final play was going to be 4 for19 Wig going one-on-one! Ryan has shown a talent for drawing up creative plays out of time outs, so shame on him for letting point Wig try to win the game. Fortunately KAT bailed him out, because Ryan didn't really deserve it with his end of game management.

I just watched the possession again. It looks like Wiggins wanted that shot. He waived off Bayless and Bayless was over there a few seconds jumping up and down for Wiggins to do something. I'm not positive Ryan didn't have something else planned. Wiggins shot was not terrible he got plenty of separation and a clean look. It's not what I would prefer but at least he had a point in the game where he actually demanded the ball

We saw that too, monster, and maybe it's somewhat of a good thing that Wig really wanted the ball. But Bayless is a PG and also was our best player last night, so the ball has to be in his hands on that last possession. I wonder what Ryan said during that time out. If he didn't give guidance on what to do after winning the tip, or if he designed Point Wiggins, than shame on Ryan...that's poor decision-making and game management remindful of the recent Dark Ages. But if he did design a play other than Point Wiggins, and Wig ignored him, then shame on Wig...and I hope Ryan talks to him privately. I tend to think Ryan didn't give direction on that final offensive play (not good) and Wig just did what they have done in those situations all season. I guess we will never know.

To me that last possession is a confusing intersection of process/results. Wiggins is a guy that's had a season where he scored nearly 24ppg. He is guarded by an underachieving guy that's basically a G-leaguer. On some level that's a mismatch in favor of Wiggins. Now Bruno had played very well defensively up to that point so...was that a good decision and process? What is a reasonable expectation of a good shot at the end of a game? Again Wiggins got off a clean although somewhat off balanced longer 2. He also wanted that shot. To me you could make a case for some positives of process in that situation regardless of the result. I'm not saying it was ALL positive in the process but I see SOME positive there. One other process thing they got right waseveryone wasspaced out. I think Taj was the only one inside the paint and he was in the Dunker's spot kinda mucking things up screening around to make Gasol and Rabb have to fight around to guard either him or Towns.

There is nothing positive in a process that puts the crunch-time offense in the hands of a poor ballhandler with bad hands and marginal passing skills. It really troubles me that Ryan Saunders continues that practice with Wiggins. I like a lot of what I've seen so far from Ryan. But continuing to use Wiggins as a primarily ballhandler to close out quarters or in crunch time should eventually disqualify him from continuing as the Wolves head coach beyond this season. Bayless should have been handling the ball as our only good ballhandler on the floor and our hottest players at the time. Having Bayless rather than Wiggins with the ball at that point is the easy stuff. Our head coach has to at least get the easy stuff right. I'm pulling for Ryan to prove himself and continue as our head coach beyond this season. It will be interesting to see how things go the rest of the season.

He did try bayless with the ball at the end of games, the last 2, I think.

1 game, he didnt even get the shot off.
The other game, he made stupid plays and turned the ball over.

We need to run things through kat and even wiggs to try and get some experience. If you believe we are out of the playoffs, then this time should be about development.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:This won't be a big surprise, but even though Wig was a mess all night on offense I loved that he wanted that shot. He got a really good look which is more than I think you could expect out of Bayless. Wig has made big shots like that before, so good on him for taking over.