John kruk vs kat

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Literally nobody has discussed trading Robert Covington because they view him as a problem. If that's what you comprehended from anything that's been said, you're not paying close enough attention or are making up a narrative in your head.

The idea would be to trade an elite role player in Covington for a potential second star to line up next to Karl-Anthony Towns. That's the conversation.

[Wolvesfan21]

I haven't said anything about ROCO. And I'm for any trade that brings back better value in return. My problem is the expectations you have for a player who you don't believe is any good. It's like criticizing an 80 year old for a poor 40 yard dash time. Last time: if you think he sucks, stop having high expectations for him. Otherwise you're talking out both sides of your mouth. His contract is irrelevant at this point. It's done and there isn't anything that can be done about it. And I'd be the first to say he hasn't lived up to it.

The problem is that the contract does matter. It's a league with a cap so if you are going to win a championship you need players to outperform their contract. Which is another problem having max salaries since it creates artificial floors for the upper star players (LeBron, Kawhi, etc). Those guys outperform their contracts more then anyone since they are limited. If it was a true free market LeBron could take half the cap on a team, etc. Then you would have a real even playing field.

If you have a player severely underperform his contract, your are essentially done. You have zero chance. Because that money was spent and is sunk. So either the player turns it around or you cut bait as fast as possible. I was one who would have let him walk before he signed the max deal. He wasn't efficient enough offensively to be a max player. Nor did he perform on the defensive side.

Does this player and contract help lead us to a championship? If you say no then move on, if you think yes then it's a good deal.

[Wolvesfan21]

Literally nobody has discussed trading Robert Covington because they view him as a problem. If that's what you comprehended from anything that's been said, you're not paying close enough attention or are making up a narrative in your head.

The idea would be to trade an elite role player in Covington for a potential second star to line up next to Karl-Anthony Towns. That's the conversation.

So keep Wiggins too or try and dump him? Because I'm not sure how he would fare going back to being off the ball most the time and standing in the corner. I guess that is the issue I see. I think you need to move both if you want to rebuild around KAT, I guess that is my issue. Covington isn't a problem so much, because he outplays his contract so much. While Wiggins is the opposite since the max deal went into place.

[Monster]

If Wiggins was able to get to the place he was worth say 70%-80% of his salary we would be in a good place because he would have value toward the team AND would likely be pretty moveable.

It's only 10 games and some of this isn't surprising but Wiggins currently is scoring on easily a career low assisted FGs. Most interesting is his 3 point makes are just under 60% assisted compared to his career average of over 80%.

[crazy-canuck [enjin:18955461]]

If Wiggins was able to get to the place he was worth say 70%-80% of his salary we would be in a good place because he would have value toward the team AND would likely be pretty moveable.

It's only 10 games and some of this isn't surprising but Wiggins currently is scoring on easily a career low assisted FGs. Most interesting is his 3 point makes are just under 60% assisted compared to his career average of over 80%.

Hes been playing alot with the ball in his hands and is being asked to be the facilitator without a pg.

It will be interesting to see what happens when teague gets back. Wiggs has shown things like this before (not as consistent as it is now)when he is forced to go point wiggs, but reverts back when he goes back to playing off ball.

[Coolbreeze44]

I haven't said anything about ROCO. And I'm for any trade that brings back better value in return. My problem is the expectations you have for a player who you don't believe is any good. It's like criticizing an 80 year old for a poor 40 yard dash time. Last time: if you think he sucks, stop having high expectations for him. Otherwise you're talking out both sides of your mouth. His contract is irrelevant at this point. It's done and there isn't anything that can be done about it. And I'd be the first to say he hasn't lived up to it.

The problem is that the contract does matter. It's a league with a cap so if you are going to win a championship you need players to outperform their contract. Which is another problem having max salaries since it creates artificial floors for the upper star players (LeBron, Kawhi, etc). Those guys outperform their contracts more then anyone since they are limited. If it was a true free market LeBron could take half the cap on a team, etc. Then you would have a real even playing field.

If you have a player severely underperform his contract, your are essentially done. You have zero chance. Because that money was spent and is sunk. So either the player turns it around or you cut bait as fast as possible. I was one who would have let him walk before he signed the max deal. He wasn't efficient enough offensively to be a max player. Nor did he perform on the defensive side.

Does this player and contract help lead us to a championship? If you say no then move on, if you think yes then it's a good deal.

I understand better where you're coming from now. And from a practical standpoint your black and white perspective makes some sense. The thing is everything has at least a little grey in it and not everything has perfect timing. Not everything is linear or routine or predictable. Who would have ever thought the Gophers could be in line for a Rose Bowl berth? In the case of Andrew, I'm hoping the answer is not yet instead of never.

[Lipoli390]

Literally nobody has discussed trading Robert Covington because they view him as a problem. If that's what you comprehended from anything that's been said, you're not paying close enough attention or are making up a narrative in your head.

The idea would be to trade an elite role player in Covington for a potential second star to line up next to Karl-Anthony Towns. That's the conversation.

Exactly, Cam. I'm not anxious to trade Covington. I love his defensive presence and he also contributes a lot on the boards. His shooting's been terrible so far this season, but he's proven to be a very good three-point shooter over the course of his career. But he is one of the few players on this team who could serve as a valuable trade asset in an effort to land a potential second star. That's because of how he plays and his very team-friendly contract. For example, he was the only Wolves player the Pelicans were willing to accept in exchange for the 4th pick in the draft last June. Ideally, the vast improvement we've seen from Wiggins so far this season continues while both Okogie and Culver develop into really good borderline all-star players.