sjm34 wrote:I am not a big fan of Parker because he seems to wear out his welcome quickly with teams, but Bogdanovic certainly intrigues me. Not sure that we can afford to spend that kind of money on a bench player unless we are moving on from Covington. We need to build the surrounding cast mainly through the draft to keep our salary cap down.
I've never heard anything that would support Parker wearing out his welcome with teams. Maybe I missed something there, but I'm curious if you have more on that. It would definitely be another factor to consider.
The idea would be to start Bogdanovic alongside Towns and Wiggins -- not have him come off the bench. He wants an increased role and he won't get it in Sacramento. That's part of why he'll be leaving.
I'll see if I can find the article I read about Parker having behind the scenes issues with management and coaching.
If he is starting along side, does that mean Covington is on the block? I am not a fan of using Cov as a long-term PF. I have no issue replacing Cov, but it also weakens our D.
sjm34 wrote:I am not a big fan of Parker because he seems to wear out his welcome quickly with teams, but Bogdanovic certainly intrigues me. Not sure that we can afford to spend that kind of money on a bench player unless we are moving on from Covington. We need to build the surrounding cast mainly through the draft to keep our salary cap down.
I've never heard anything that would support Parker wearing out his welcome with teams. Maybe I missed something there, but I'm curious if you have more on that. It would definitely be another factor to consider.
The idea would be to start Bogdanovic alongside Towns and Wiggins -- not have him come off the bench. He wants an increased role and he won't get it in Sacramento. That's part of why he'll be leaving.
I'll see if I can find the article I read about Parker having behind the scenes issues with management and coaching.
If he is starting along side, does that mean Covington is on the block? I am not a fan of using Cov as a long-term PF. I have no issue replacing Cov, but it also weakens our D.
In my scenario, I'm rolling out Bogdanovic, Wiggins, Covington, Parker, and Towns in a "position-less" attack similar to what we're using now. The main difference from what Minnesota has now and what that lineup would have is Bogdanovic is a legitimate shot creator and maker -- night and day difference between him and Graham -- and Parker gives us a lot more size next to Towns at 6'8, 245-lbs.
sjm34 wrote:I am not a big fan of Parker because he seems to wear out his welcome quickly with teams, but Bogdanovic certainly intrigues me. Not sure that we can afford to spend that kind of money on a bench player unless we are moving on from Covington. We need to build the surrounding cast mainly through the draft to keep our salary cap down.
I've never heard anything that would support Parker wearing out his welcome with teams. Maybe I missed something there, but I'm curious if you have more on that. It would definitely be another factor to consider.
The idea would be to start Bogdanovic alongside Towns and Wiggins -- not have him come off the bench. He wants an increased role and he won't get it in Sacramento. That's part of why he'll be leaving.
I'll see if I can find the article I read about Parker having behind the scenes issues with management and coaching.
If he is starting along side, does that mean Covington is on the block? I am not a fan of using Cov as a long-term PF. I have no issue replacing Cov, but it also weakens our D.
In my scenario, I'm rolling out Bogdanovic, Wiggins, Covington, Parker, and Towns in a "position-less" attack similar to what we're using now. The main difference from what Minnesota has now and what that lineup would have is Bogdanovic is a legitimate shot creator and maker -- night and day difference between him and Graham -- and Parker gives us a lot more size next to Towns at 6'8, 245-lbs.
Interesting. There is exactly one plus defender in that group, so I would worry that we just end up with a potent offense that can't stop anyone at the other end.
sjm34 wrote:I am not a big fan of Parker because he seems to wear out his welcome quickly with teams, but Bogdanovic certainly intrigues me. Not sure that we can afford to spend that kind of money on a bench player unless we are moving on from Covington. We need to build the surrounding cast mainly through the draft to keep our salary cap down.
I've never heard anything that would support Parker wearing out his welcome with teams. Maybe I missed something there, but I'm curious if you have more on that. It would definitely be another factor to consider.
The idea would be to start Bogdanovic alongside Towns and Wiggins -- not have him come off the bench. He wants an increased role and he won't get it in Sacramento. That's part of why he'll be leaving.
I'll see if I can find the article I read about Parker having behind the scenes issues with management and coaching.
If he is starting along side, does that mean Covington is on the block? I am not a fan of using Cov as a long-term PF. I have no issue replacing Cov, but it also weakens our D.
In my scenario, I'm rolling out Bogdanovic, Wiggins, Covington, Parker, and Towns in a "position-less" attack similar to what we're using now. The main difference from what Minnesota has now and what that lineup would have is Bogdanovic is a legitimate shot creator and maker -- night and day difference between him and Graham -- and Parker gives us a lot more size next to Towns at 6'8, 245-lbs.
Interesting. There is exactly one plus defender in that group, so I would worry that we just end up with a potent offense that can't stop anyone at the other end.
That is one concern I have as well, the other being there is only one ball to go around. I feel we need a stronger defensive player next to Towns that can bang down low. I would prefer a Tristan Thompson or Montrez Harrell type of player.
Cam, I didn't find one specific article, but Parker has been traded or released (Milwaukee waived his RFA status) from all three teams he has played for before joining the Hawks, and most of it had to do with playing time. If you look at hoopshype for him you will see plenty of articles painting a poor picture. He also has a horrible history with knees.
sjm34 wrote:I am not a big fan of Parker because he seems to wear out his welcome quickly with teams, but Bogdanovic certainly intrigues me. Not sure that we can afford to spend that kind of money on a bench player unless we are moving on from Covington. We need to build the surrounding cast mainly through the draft to keep our salary cap down.
I've never heard anything that would support Parker wearing out his welcome with teams. Maybe I missed something there, but I'm curious if you have more on that. It would definitely be another factor to consider.
The idea would be to start Bogdanovic alongside Towns and Wiggins -- not have him come off the bench. He wants an increased role and he won't get it in Sacramento. That's part of why he'll be leaving.
I'll see if I can find the article I read about Parker having behind the scenes issues with management and coaching.
If he is starting along side, does that mean Covington is on the block? I am not a fan of using Cov as a long-term PF. I have no issue replacing Cov, but it also weakens our D.
In my scenario, I'm rolling out Bogdanovic, Wiggins, Covington, Parker, and Towns in a "position-less" attack similar to what we're using now. The main difference from what Minnesota has now and what that lineup would have is Bogdanovic is a legitimate shot creator and maker -- night and day difference between him and Graham -- and Parker gives us a lot more size next to Towns at 6'8, 245-lbs.
Interesting. There is exactly one plus defender in that group, so I would worry that we just end up with a potent offense that can't stop anyone at the other end.
That is one concern I have as well, the other being there is only one ball to go around. I feel we need a stronger defensive player next to Towns that can bang down low. I would prefer a Tristan Thompson or Montrez Harrell type of player.
Cam, I didn't find one specific article, but Parker has been traded or released (Milwaukee waived his RFA status) from all three teams he has played for before joining the Hawks, and most of it had to do with playing time. If you look at hoopshype for him you will see plenty of articles painting a poor picture. He also has a horrible history with knees.
There's an apt comparison for Jabari Parker... his old ROY nemesis, Andrew Wiggins.
Over the first five years for the two much-maligned guys... they've been ripped for many things and mocked for contracts people didn't think they deserved while posting decent volume stats amid mediocre to poor efficiency and advanced stats.
Now, they're both balling in year 6 for the first 10 games.
The odds are against both of them turning out to reach their previously dismissed potential. But it would make one heckuva story if they do.
It's an entirely new NBA than we're used to, so anything is possible?
I don't know if it's possible under the cap, but Philly needs a real PG on that team and Tobias is a luxury piece they can't really utilize. I'd be interested if we could swap Teague and Dieng for Tobias giving us another offensive weapon and shooter and a guy that can take some small ball 4 responsibility's off Covington. Or maybe long-term it's a 3 team deal with GS where Russell comes here, Tobias to GS and Teague and pieces to Philly. We should be offloading Teague this year if we can to get something back since he's not in the long term plans. Just thinking out loud.
khans2k5 wrote:I don't know if it's possible under the cap, but Philly needs a real PG on that team and Tobias is a luxury piece they can't really utilize. I'd be interested if we could swap Teague and Dieng for Tobias giving us another offensive weapon and shooter and a guy that can take some small ball 4 responsibility's off Covington. Or maybe long-term it's a 3 team deal with GS where Russell comes here, Tobias to GS and Teague and pieces to Philly. We should be offloading Teague this year if we can to get something back since he's not in the long term plans. Just thinking out loud.
They do?
Philadelphia is 7 - 3... and 6 - 0 when Embiid and Simmons play together. The team's massive size is in part a big reason they're one of the top two teams (according to most) in the East.
Tobias Harris is a 17 / 8 / 3 / 48% guy right now.
The 76ers are gunning for a title. Teague offers them next-to-nothing in that quest. Dieng offers them even less. Harris would be a huge loss.
khans2k5 wrote:I don't know if it's possible under the cap, but Philly needs a real PG on that team and Tobias is a luxury piece they can't really utilize. I'd be interested if we could swap Teague and Dieng for Tobias giving us another offensive weapon and shooter and a guy that can take some small ball 4 responsibility's off Covington. Or maybe long-term it's a 3 team deal with GS where Russell comes here, Tobias to GS and Teague and pieces to Philly. We should be offloading Teague this year if we can to get something back since he's not in the long term plans. Just thinking out loud.
They do?
Philadelphia is 7 - 3... and 6 - 0 when Embiid and Simmons play together. The team's massive size is in part a big reason they're one of the top two teams (according to most) in the East.
Tobias Harris is a 17 / 8 / 3 / 48% guy right now.
The 76ers are gunning for a title. Teague offers them next-to-nothing in that quest. Dieng offers them even less. Harris would be a huge loss.
Have you looked at their schedule? They're 2-3 against teams with winning records and 5-0 against losers. Simmons still won't shoot the ball. It's still a problem. So yes they could use a PG and some cap relief in the process.
khans2k5 wrote:I don't know if it's possible under the cap, but Philly needs a real PG on that team and Tobias is a luxury piece they can't really utilize. I'd be interested if we could swap Teague and Dieng for Tobias giving us another offensive weapon and shooter and a guy that can take some small ball 4 responsibility's off Covington. Or maybe long-term it's a 3 team deal with GS where Russell comes here, Tobias to GS and Teague and pieces to Philly. We should be offloading Teague this year if we can to get something back since he's not in the long term plans. Just thinking out loud.
They do?
Philadelphia is 7 - 3... and 6 - 0 when Embiid and Simmons play together. The team's massive size is in part a big reason they're one of the top two teams (according to most) in the East.
Tobias Harris is a 17 / 8 / 3 / 48% guy right now.
The 76ers are gunning for a title. Teague offers them next-to-nothing in that quest. Dieng offers them even less. Harris would be a huge loss.
Have you looked at their schedule? They're 2-3 against teams with winning records and 5-0 against losers. Simmons still won't shoot the ball. It's still a problem. So yes they could use a PG and some cap relief in the process.
We disagree.
They lost to Phoenix on the road by 5 without Embiid.
They lost to Utah on the road by 2 with Simmons getting injured.
They lost to Denver on the road by 3 without Simmons.
I'd give them a bit more time in their championship run before they completely dismantle their strategy by bringing in injury-prone, undersized and underwhelming Jeff Teague on his expiring deal and Dieng's contract... for cap relief purposes.
[Note: That's not to say they won't have to eventually move on from Simmons. But for Teague and Dieng? No. Definitely... unequivocally... no.]
khans2k5 wrote:I don't know if it's possible under the cap, but Philly needs a real PG on that team and Tobias is a luxury piece they can't really utilize. I'd be interested if we could swap Teague and Dieng for Tobias giving us another offensive weapon and shooter and a guy that can take some small ball 4 responsibility's off Covington. Or maybe long-term it's a 3 team deal with GS where Russell comes here, Tobias to GS and Teague and pieces to Philly. We should be offloading Teague this year if we can to get something back since he's not in the long term plans. Just thinking out loud.
They do?
Philadelphia is 7 - 3... and 6 - 0 when Embiid and Simmons play together. The team's massive size is in part a big reason they're one of the top two teams (according to most) in the East.
Tobias Harris is a 17 / 8 / 3 / 48% guy right now.
The 76ers are gunning for a title. Teague offers them next-to-nothing in that quest. Dieng offers them even less. Harris would be a huge loss.
Have you looked at their schedule? They're 2-3 against teams with winning records and 5-0 against losers. Simmons still won't shoot the ball. It's still a problem. So yes they could use a PG and some cap relief in the process.
We disagree.
They lost to Phoenix on the road by 5 without Embiid.
They lost to Utah on the road by 2 with Simmons getting injured.
They lost to Denver on the road by 3 without Simmons.
I'd give them a bit more time in their championship run before they completely dismantle their strategy by bringing in injury-prone, undersized and underwhelming Jeff Teague on his expiring deal and Dieng's contract... for cap relief purposes.
[Note: That's not to say they won't have to eventually move on from Simmons. But for Teague and Dieng? No. Definitely... unequivocally... no.]
I don't understand your note. Are you saying that I said replace Simmons with Teague and Dieng? Because that's not what I said at all. I said trade a luxury in Harris for a need that gives them cap relief and a backup plan for games Embiid misses. They'd get much more for Simmons than what they can get for a maxed out Tobias Harris.
