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TheGrey08 wrote:

alexftbl8181 wrote:
I'll going past this point. Even if this core is pretty good, in today's game you have to have depth because of injuries and how good teams are. The Wolves are just never going to be players in the free agent market unless they overspend. So they need to not only hit on draft picks, but acquire more and develop them. Unfortunately, the Wolves have never seen the value in the draft as other teams have and it shows.

Also the coaching sucks and doubtful it can develop anybody

I wouldn't say never. Certainly early on, but once you form a good team players will be more interested in coming without overpaying drastically. We just have to get there first and until then it's all about the young talent.

I don't see the point in throwing that in there at the end. Have you not seen signs of development from Wiggins, Bazz & Lavine? We have seen this team develop guys before. Yes I agree it's not as good at is as we would like, but we have seen some development this year.

Yes I've seen a staff that made Lavine play out of position that didn't help him at all, making Wiggins play off the ball to Martin to develop him that was stupid, and the falling off the cliff Dieng in development just hammers my case home

Also add in the fact of working on Rubios 18 foot jumper exclusively and not at all on his work in the paint. Dumb

alexftbl8181 wrote:
Yes I've seen a staff that made Lavine play out of position that didn't help him at all, making Wiggins play off the ball to Martin to develop him that was stupid, and the falling off the cliff Dieng in development just hammers my case home

You can't be serious about Lavine. He said it himself that learning PG has helped him while playing SG. He's learning how to play off the ball better b/c he now knows what a PG is looking for.

While we may not all agree with how they played Wiggins 100%, he does need to learn to play off the ball. Problem is I don't think they help him enough there this season b/c Martin is a ball stop. We need a lot more of Rubio, Lavine, & Wiggins together. We need Martin to shift gears a bit and be more of a spot up shooter who can also get his own shot when it's necessary.

Dieng's season has been disappointing and I think one of the biggest issue this year is who they paired him with up front. Some of this board very well may be right in that his best spot will be PF. Either way he needs to add some strength.

TheGrey08 wrote:

alexftbl8181 wrote:
Yes I've seen a staff that made Lavine play out of position that didn't help him at all, making Wiggins play off the ball to Martin to develop him that was stupid, and the falling off the cliff Dieng in development just hammers my case home

You can't be serious about Lavine. He said it himself that learning PG has helped him while playing SG. He's learning how to play off the ball better b/c he now knows what a PG is looking for.

While we may not all agree with how they played Wiggins 100%, he does need to learn to play off the ball. Problem is I don't think they help him enough there this season b/c Martin is a ball stop. We need a lot more of Rubio, Lavine, & Wiggins together. We need Martin to shift gears a bit and be more of a spot up shooter who can also get his own shot when it's necessary.

Dieng's season has been disappointing and I think one of the biggest issue this year is who they paired him with up front. Some of this board very well may be right in that his best spot will be PF. Either way he needs to add some strength.

In games I have seen Martin has done a lot of what you want him to do bringing up the ball at times and looking to be a playmaker some. ig we want to be a contender some day that Wiggins is going to have to play next to some big time scorers. I'm not that concerned with Martin jacking up lots of shots hurting Wiggins development. There are a lot of other much more troubling problems.

monsterpile wrote:
In games I have seen Martin has done a lot of what you want him to do bringing up the ball at times and looking to be a playmaker some. ig we want to be a contender some day that Wiggins is going to have to play next to some big time scorers. I'm not that concerned with Martin jacking up lots of shots hurting Wiggins development. There are a lot of other much more troubling problems.

True, but as a whole if Martin is jacking up 25-30 shots that's hurting the overall development of the young guys. It doesn't directly hurt Wiggins as much, but when you factor in Lavine, and Bazz that's when it becomes a bigger issue to me. Granted right now there are a lot of shots to go around with all the injuries. I just don't want to see it next year if those 3 guys are stepping up. I'd love to see Martin fit in as a 3rd or 4th option.

TheGrey08 wrote:

alexftbl8181 wrote:
Yes I've seen a staff that made Lavine play out of position that didn't help him at all, making Wiggins play off the ball to Martin to develop him that was stupid, and the falling off the cliff Dieng in development just hammers my case home

You can't be serious about Lavine. He said it himself that learning PG has helped him while playing SG. He's learning how to play off the ball better b/c he now knows what a PG is looking for.

While we may not all agree with how they played Wiggins 100%, he does need to learn to play off the ball. Problem is I don't think they help him enough there this season b/c Martin is a ball stop. We need a lot more of Rubio, Lavine, & Wiggins together. We need Martin to shift gears a bit and be more of a spot up shooter who can also get his own shot when it's necessary.

Dieng's season has been disappointing and I think one of the biggest issue this year is who they paired him with up front. Some of this board very well may be right in that his best spot will be PF. Either way he needs to add some strength.

I don't know when he said it, but to be fair it's not like he's going to say it was stupid to play me at PG. They didn't even really let him run a lot of plays, just bring the ball up and give it up.

Why does Wiggins need to learn to play off the ball before he learns how to play with the ball? In 3 years, if the Wolves have any hopes of being good, Wiggins is going to be taking about 20 shots a game. Who should he play off the ball so Rubio can get more shots? Stupid.

Who did they pair up Dieng with? Thad? Because he is bad at defense? Wasn't Love also bad at defense who Dieng play with during most of his spurt last year? Whose the ideal person to pair next to Dieng?

TheGrey08 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:
In games I have seen Martin has done a lot of what you want him to do bringing up the ball at times and looking to be a playmaker some. ig we want to be a contender some day that Wiggins is going to have to play next to some big time scorers. I'm not that concerned with Martin jacking up lots of shots hurting Wiggins development. There are a lot of other much more troubling problems.

True, but as a whole if Martin is jacking up 25-30 shots that's hurting the overall development of the young guys. It doesn't directly hurt Wiggins as much, but when you factor in Lavine, and Bazz that's when it becomes a bigger issue to me. Granted right now there are a lot of shots to go around with all the injuries. I just don't want to see it next year if those 3 guys are stepping up. I'd love to see Martin fit in as a 3rd or 4th option.

When/if all these guys are healthy I think finding shots for everyone is a good problem and I think it will work out fine especially considering we have a PG that likes to pass.

I have some hope for Dieng defensively because there are plenty of instances where a coach has come in and changed teams into good defensive teams without really changing personel. Dieng has issues with strength but I think you could live with that (especially as a backup) if he was was playing in a scheme where other guys were playing well. I'm not saying all his mental errors would go away but I think there is some hope for him defensively with a better scheme. It would be nice if that's the case because his offensive game is pretty nice all things considered.

alexftbl8181 wrote:
I don't know when he said it, but to be fair it's not like he's going to say it was stupid to play me at PG. They didn't even really let him run a lot of plays, just bring the ball up and give it up.

Why does Wiggins need to learn to play off the ball before he learns how to play with the ball? In 3 years, if the Wolves have any hopes of being good, Wiggins is going to be taking about 20 shots a game. Who should he play off the ball so Rubio can get more shots? Stupid.

Who did they pair up Dieng with? Thad? Because he is bad at defense? Wasn't Love also bad at defense who Dieng play with during most of his spurt last year? Whose the ideal person to pair next to Dieng?

I forget exactly when, but I want to say within the last few weeks. The key for me though is that he went a little into detail about it vs being vague or generic with his response like "PG has helped me play SG". He specifically mentioned playing off the ball, knowing where to be, cuts, etc.

I agree Wiggins doesn't need to learn to play off prior to playing with it, but I think a mix is helpful. Problem is we've seen him off the ball and out of the offense for too long of stretches. We can't have that happening for several possessions in a row like we've seen.

Love is more of an inside presence vs Thad being more of an outside presence. Love actually boxes out and is a monster on the glass while Thad is pretty bad at them. Dieng at least needs someone next to him who can be a bit of a physical presence inside while bringing down a good amount of boards. Dieng + Love on D is miles better than Dieng + Thad on D. It's almost night and day.