Tyus Jones agrees to a deal with the Grizzlies (wolves can match)

[Lipoli390]

Wait, we think Tyus would have turned down 3yr-$24M to accept a 4yr-$20M offer from Wolves? On what planet does this make sense? Oh, I get he has ties here. But that is leaving at least $8-10M on the table ($4M this contract, and whatever he would get that 4th year down the road). For a backup player like Tyus, there is just no way he was doing that deal. This contract is critical for him, as we saw other players his caliber getting $2-3M this FA period. If he doesn't improve A TON over next 3 seasons, he could be looking at same thing.

Earth to Hicks - You sign him before he gets a qualifying offer. It's a matter of timing. You sign him to 4 years $20 million before the Memphis offer and he'd likely take it with no other offers on the table. Then he's off the market. $4 million less in guaranteed money to play for a head coach he's close to in his home town where he can be close to his mom who has cancer. That makes sense on planet earth.

You don't take 5 million if you think you're worth 9. He would have rejected that.

You don't know how much you're worth until you get an offer. The market determines your worth. There was plenty of time between D. Russell falling through and the Memphis offer. During that time, I think Tyus would have accepted an offer of 4 years $24 million ($6 million per year) and possibly 4 years at $20 million ($5 million per year). Playing in his home town for a coach he's close to and knowing the only PG on the team ahead of him is the 31-year old often injured Jeff Teague with only one year left on his contract. Tyus wasn't going to accept what the Wolves offered, which was $4 million per year for 3 years (total of $12 million).

It's fair to argue that the Wolves were better off not offering more than $12 million over 3 years. Maybe the Wolves were even willing to go up to 3 years $15 million, but that probably would not have been enough. My point is that, if the Wolves really wanted Tyus, they could have probably signed him for between $5-6 million per year if guaranteed for 4 years. The Wolves were apparently stuck at around $4 million per year and unwilling to guarantee a 4th year.

This was not a matter of a team outbidding the Wolves. This was a matter of Rosas determining a price he was willing to pay Tyus that was substantially below what Memphis eventually offered. Hence, Tyus had to take the Memphis deal in spite of all the good reasons to stay with the Wolves (home town, mom's health, relationship with Saunders, better chance of starting than he'll get behind Ja Morant). I'm fine with Rosas deciding that he'd rather save the extra $2 million per year he would have had to pay each of the next 4 years to keep Tyus. That $2 million added to other salary savings could be significant down the road. If up to me I would have given Tyus $6 million per year for 4 years. Had that offer been made shortly after losing out on Russell, I think Tyus would have signed for that amount. Then there would have been no offer from Memphis.

[BizarroJerry [enjin:6592520]]

Wait, we think Tyus would have turned down 3yr-$24M to accept a 4yr-$20M offer from Wolves? On what planet does this make sense? Oh, I get he has ties here. But that is leaving at least $8-10M on the table ($4M this contract, and whatever he would get that 4th year down the road). For a backup player like Tyus, there is just no way he was doing that deal. This contract is critical for him, as we saw other players his caliber getting $2-3M this FA period. If he doesn't improve A TON over next 3 seasons, he could be looking at same thing.

Earth to Hicks - You sign him before he gets a qualifying offer. It's a matter of timing. You sign him to 4 years $20 million before the Memphis offer and he'd likely take it with no other offers on the table. Then he's off the market. $4 million less in guaranteed money to play for a head coach he's close to in his home town where he can be close to his mom who has cancer. That makes sense on planet earth.

You don't take 5 million if you think you're worth 9. He would have rejected that.

You don't know how much you're worth until you get an offer. The market determines your worth. There was plenty of time between D. Russell falling through and the Memphis offer. During that time, I think Tyus would have accepted an offer of 4 years $24 million ($6 million per year) and possibly 4 years at $20 million ($5 million per year). Playing in his home town for a coach he's close to and knowing the only PG on the team ahead of him is the 31-year old often injured Jeff Teague with only one year left on his contract. Tyus wasn't going to accept what the Wolves offered, which was $4 million per year for 3 years (total of $12 million).

It's fair to argue that the Wolves were better off not offering more than $12 million over 3 years. Maybe the Wolves were even willing to go up to 3 years $15 million, but that probably would not have been enough. My point is that, if the Wolves really wanted Tyus, they could have probably signed him for between $5-6 million per year if guaranteed for 4 years. The Wolves were apparently stuck at around $4 million per year and unwilling to guarantee a 4th year.

This was not a matter of a team outbidding the Wolves. This was a matter of Rosas determining a price he was willing to pay Tyus that was substantially below what Memphis eventually offered. Hence, Tyus had to take the Memphis deal in spite of all the good reasons to stay with the Wolves (home town, mom's health, relationship with Saunders, better chance of starting than he'll get behind Ja Morant). I'm fine with Rosas deciding that he'd rather save the extra $2 million per year he would have had to pay each of the next 4 years to keep Tyus. That $2 million added to other salary savings could be significant down the road. If up to me I would have given Tyus $6 million per year for 4 years. Had that offer been made shortly after losing out on Russell, I think Tyus would have signed for that amount. Then there would have been no offer from Memphis.

$4 million per year is insulting considering every year the salaries get much higher. No way he takes a hometown discount as a borderline starter. That's short sighted by rosas. But yes they are cash strapped. So I dont really blame him for the low offer.

[Lipoli390]

Wait, we think Tyus would have turned down 3yr-$24M to accept a 4yr-$20M offer from Wolves? On what planet does this make sense? Oh, I get he has ties here. But that is leaving at least $8-10M on the table ($4M this contract, and whatever he would get that 4th year down the road). For a backup player like Tyus, there is just no way he was doing that deal. This contract is critical for him, as we saw other players his caliber getting $2-3M this FA period. If he doesn't improve A TON over next 3 seasons, he could be looking at same thing.

Earth to Hicks - You sign him before he gets a qualifying offer. It's a matter of timing. You sign him to 4 years $20 million before the Memphis offer and he'd likely take it with no other offers on the table. Then he's off the market. $4 million less in guaranteed money to play for a head coach he's close to in his home town where he can be close to his mom who has cancer. That makes sense on planet earth.

You don't take 5 million if you think you're worth 9. He would have rejected that.

You don't know how much you're worth until you get an offer. The market determines your worth. There was plenty of time between D. Russell falling through and the Memphis offer. During that time, I think Tyus would have accepted an offer of 4 years $24 million ($6 million per year) and possibly 4 years at $20 million ($5 million per year). Playing in his home town for a coach he's close to and knowing the only PG on the team ahead of him is the 31-year old often injured Jeff Teague with only one year left on his contract. Tyus wasn't going to accept what the Wolves offered, which was $4 million per year for 3 years (total of $12 million).

It's fair to argue that the Wolves were better off not offering more than $12 million over 3 years. Maybe the Wolves were even willing to go up to 3 years $15 million, but that probably would not have been enough. My point is that, if the Wolves really wanted Tyus, they could have probably signed him for between $5-6 million per year if guaranteed for 4 years. The Wolves were apparently stuck at around $4 million per year and unwilling to guarantee a 4th year.

This was not a matter of a team outbidding the Wolves. This was a matter of Rosas determining a price he was willing to pay Tyus that was substantially below what Memphis eventually offered. Hence, Tyus had to take the Memphis deal in spite of all the good reasons to stay with the Wolves (home town, mom's health, relationship with Saunders, better chance of starting than he'll get behind Ja Morant). I'm fine with Rosas deciding that he'd rather save the extra $2 million per year he would have had to pay each of the next 4 years to keep Tyus. That $2 million added to other salary savings could be significant down the road. If up to me I would have given Tyus $6 million per year for 4 years. Had that offer been made shortly after losing out on Russell, I think Tyus would have signed for that amount. Then there would have been no offer from Memphis.

$4 million per year is insulting considering every year the salaries get much higher. No way he takes a hometown discount as a borderline starter. That's short sighted by rosas. But yes they are cash strapped. So I dont really blame him for the low offer.

I think we agree. A 3-year $12 million contract offer was likely borderline insulting to Tyus and would not be a reasonable "hometown discount." However, a 4-year 20-24 million offer ($5-6 million per year guaranteed over 4 years) would have been a reasonable deal that I think would have been enough to re-sign Tyus. In my view, Tyus was worth the extra $1.5-2 million per year along with a 4th year. Going from Tyus to Napier as our primary backup PG won't be pretty. And at age 23, Tyus still has upside while the 28 year old Napier does not. But Rosas must have believed it was better to preserve that extra bit of salary as part of a longer-term strategy that will likely involve shedding additional salary like Teague and, I believe, Covington. If not having Tyus means a couple more losses during the season, that just means potentially more ping pong balls next May.

[Camden [enjin:6601484]]

Again, if Tyus Jones was from Nevada or Montana -- or anywhere that wasn't Minnesota -- nobody would be this upset/bothered with letting him go. He's not a borderline starter. He doesn't have this super high, untapped potential. He's not a needle-moving player. He's a likable, decent backup point guard that was born and raised in Minnesota. I think emotions are skewing the player assessment. Jones just wasn't worth more than what Rosas offered so he let him walk.

[mjs34]

Nice to see we have a PBO who isn't over paying for home town players. 4-5 mil is what I thought Tyus was worth.

[BizarroJerry [enjin:6592520]]

Again, if Tyus Jones was from Nevada or Montana -- or anywhere that wasn't Minnesota -- nobody would be this upset/bothered with letting him go. He's not a borderline starter. He doesn't have this super high, untapped potential. He's not a needle-moving player. He's a likable, decent backup point guard that was born and raised in Minnesota. I think emotions are skewing the player assessment. Jones just wasn't worth more than what Rosas offered so he let him walk.

Well that's just , like , your opinion man..

-the Dude

[60WinTim]

Again, if Tyus Jones was from Nevada or Montana -- or anywhere that wasn't Minnesota -- nobody would be this upset/bothered with letting him go. He's not a borderline starter. He doesn't have this super high, untapped potential. He's not a needle-moving player. He's a likable, decent backup point guard that was born and raised in Minnesota. I think emotions are skewing the player assessment. Jones just wasn't worth more than what Rosas offered so he let him walk.

Well that's just , like , your opinion man..

-the Dude

LOL!

Not only do I agree with Cam's opinion, I think many are underestimating what Napier will bring to the table as the backup PG. While they have different strengths and weaknesses, I see the choice between Napier and Tyus as a complete wash, with the exception of factoring in the style of play the Wolves want to play. Napier's ability to score may better fit the Wolves style than Tyus' ability to protect the ball.

[Lipoli390]

Again, if Tyus Jones was from Nevada or Montana -- or anywhere that wasn't Minnesota -- nobody would be this upset/bothered with letting him go. He's not a borderline starter. He doesn't have this super high, untapped potential. He's not a needle-moving player. He's a likable, decent backup point guard that was born and raised in Minnesota. I think emotions are skewing the player assessment. Jones just wasn't worth more than what Rosas offered so he let him walk.

Well that's just , like , your opinion man..

-the Dude

LOL!

Not only do I agree with Cam's opinion, I think many are underestimating what Napier will bring to the table as the backup PG. While they have different strengths and weaknesses, I see the choice between Napier and Tyus as a complete wash, with the exception of factoring in the style of play the Wolves want to play. Napier's ability to score may better fit the Wolves style than Tyus' ability to protect the ball.

I understand the point of view that Tyus wasn't worth more than what the Wolves offered him given what he brings to the table versus the need to manage cap space effectively over the next couple years. I disagree with that point, but I also see its merit.

But I think it's almost impossible to underestimate what Napier will bring to the table. :) He's 28 years old with 5 years of NBA experience. He's bounced around, playing with 4 different teams in those 5 years. Apparently, the teams that saw him up close weren't particularly interested in keeping him around. During those 5 seasons he's averaged 39% from the field. That's not 39% from behind the arc; that's 38.9% of his shots. He's averaged 35.4% from behind the arc, but that's on only 2.6 attempts. Last season when his 3-point attempts went up to 4.1, he had the second worst 3-point percentage of his career at 33.3%. Meanwhile he hasn't excelled in any other statistical category. As I see it, the only thing he brings to the table is a cheap contract.

[Phenom]

Don't overlook that Tyus had the qualifying offer on the table. I don't think he was just going to take a hypothetical 4/20 offer at any point. Next year's free agent crop projects to be weak. He knew he could pull better than 5 per year this year or next. That's below average salary. If anything he would have just taken a raise for one year.