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Camden wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:Would there be any realistic way Rubio was traded? I am thinking of the teams trying to make the playoffs the Jazz would have a need for PG in the worst way.

MAybe
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zlpr36h

I'd rather get Exum from them which would probably help their playoff chances more this year to keep Burke and still get Ricky. But Ricky's not getting traded mid-season.

This works too.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gwqaptb

I thought about Exum. Big concerns to me about him being a bust, but if he is not. Wow that would be a crazy young team we would have if he lived up to his pre-draft hype.

I would do this trade in a heartbeat. Not sure the Jazz do though. From what I've read they are unwilling to trade major assets this year and are still focused on rebuilding. They want a stop gap PG. That being said Rubio is around the same age as Gordon and Favors and would greatly improve their core.

That is a really dumb trade idea. We might as well throw in KAT and Wiggins too.

Not really. Ricky's inability to score efficiently and stay healthy hurt the team overall. Exum and Lyles offer great upside to grow with our young core.

Ricky is one of the top point guards. He has the greatest positive impact on the team right now. There's a recent he consistently leads the team every year in plus minus stats. You are way too hung up on scoring. We got a top point guard at a bargain salary. He compliments KAT and Wiggins perfectly and he's only 24.

If he's the perfect complement, why have we been so fucking bad for most of this year? Seriously the plus/minus shit has to stop because that literally means nothing on bad teams. Ricky is not one of the top PG's because all the top PG's have been helping their teams win more games than we have this year. That's what good players do. They win you games. They don't plus/minus your brains out in losses.

...because we give three 20-year olds a ton of minutes, and as you have previously mentioned before, we have two players that are in their prime in Rubio and Dieng. We just don't have enough decent veteran players that are in their prime. Here we go with the "Rubio's supposed to win games and change the franchise" bullshit again. That's never going to be him. He's not being talked about as a superstar player so why are people criticizing him as one?

People are critizing an important part of his game (shooting) that is one of the worst in the league. No one is asking for superstar performance. Just shooting fitting of an NBA player. I believe even this would garner more wins. This isn't rocket science.

thedoper wrote:

Camden wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:Would there be any realistic way Rubio was traded? I am thinking of the teams trying to make the playoffs the Jazz would have a need for PG in the worst way.

MAybe
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zlpr36h

I'd rather get Exum from them which would probably help their playoff chances more this year to keep Burke and still get Ricky. But Ricky's not getting traded mid-season.

This works too.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gwqaptb

I thought about Exum. Big concerns to me about him being a bust, but if he is not. Wow that would be a crazy young team we would have if he lived up to his pre-draft hype.

I would do this trade in a heartbeat. Not sure the Jazz do though. From what I've read they are unwilling to trade major assets this year and are still focused on rebuilding. They want a stop gap PG. That being said Rubio is around the same age as Gordon and Favors and would greatly improve their core.

That is a really dumb trade idea. We might as well throw in KAT and Wiggins too.

Not really. Ricky's inability to score efficiently and stay healthy hurt the team overall. Exum and Lyles offer great upside to grow with our young core.

Ricky is one of the top point guards. He has the greatest positive impact on the team right now. There's a recent he consistently leads the team every year in plus minus stats. You are way too hung up on scoring. We got a top point guard at a bargain salary. He compliments KAT and Wiggins perfectly and he's only 24.

If he's the perfect complement, why have we been so fucking bad for most of this year? Seriously the plus/minus shit has to stop because that literally means nothing on bad teams. Ricky is not one of the top PG's because all the top PG's have been helping their teams win more games than we have this year. That's what good players do. They win you games. They don't plus/minus your brains out in losses.

...because we give three 20-year olds a ton of minutes, and as you have previously mentioned before, we have two players that are in their prime in Rubio and Dieng. We just don't have enough decent veteran players that are in their prime. Here we go with the "Rubio's supposed to win games and change the franchise" bullshit again. That's never going to be him. He's not being talked about as a superstar player so why are people criticizing him as one?

People are critizing an important part of his game (shooting) that is one of the worst in the league. No one is asking for superstar performance. Just shooting fitting of an NBA player. I believe even this would garner more wins. This isn't rocket science.

Apparently it is fucking rocket science. We talk about Rubio's scoring ability like that's what defines him as a player. Doing this completely ignores the elite abilities he does have. Sure, if Rubio could score, he'd be the best point guard in basketball. He can't. And yet, somehow he's still a good basketball player that contributes positively. And I'll say it again, Rubio's not the guy that wins games by himself. He's never been that guy.

Even if he never improved his scoring per game or efficiency, I think you can win with him. You're just going to need scoring from other places. That's what we hope to have with Towns, Wiggins and LaVine. So, what the fuck is the problem?

thedoper wrote:

Camden wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:Would there be any realistic way Rubio was traded? I am thinking of the teams trying to make the playoffs the Jazz would have a need for PG in the worst way.

MAybe
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zlpr36h

I'd rather get Exum from them which would probably help their playoff chances more this year to keep Burke and still get Ricky. But Ricky's not getting traded mid-season.

This works too.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gwqaptb

I thought about Exum. Big concerns to me about him being a bust, but if he is not. Wow that would be a crazy young team we would have if he lived up to his pre-draft hype.

I would do this trade in a heartbeat. Not sure the Jazz do though. From what I've read they are unwilling to trade major assets this year and are still focused on rebuilding. They want a stop gap PG. That being said Rubio is around the same age as Gordon and Favors and would greatly improve their core.

That is a really dumb trade idea. We might as well throw in KAT and Wiggins too.

Not really. Ricky's inability to score efficiently and stay healthy hurt the team overall. Exum and Lyles offer great upside to grow with our young core.

Ricky is one of the top point guards. He has the greatest positive impact on the team right now. There's a recent he consistently leads the team every year in plus minus stats. You are way too hung up on scoring. We got a top point guard at a bargain salary. He compliments KAT and Wiggins perfectly and he's only 24.

If he's the perfect complement, why have we been so fucking bad for most of this year? Seriously the plus/minus shit has to stop because that literally means nothing on bad teams. Ricky is not one of the top PG's because all the top PG's have been helping their teams win more games than we have this year. That's what good players do. They win you games. They don't plus/minus your brains out in losses.

...because we give three 20-year olds a ton of minutes, and as you have previously mentioned before, we have two players that are in their prime in Rubio and Dieng. We just don't have enough decent veteran players that are in their prime. Here we go with the "Rubio's supposed to win games and change the franchise" bullshit again. That's never going to be him. He's not being talked about as a superstar player so why are people criticizing him as one?

People are critizing an important part of his game (shooting) that is one of the worst in the league. No one is asking for superstar performance. Just shooting fitting of an NBA player. I believe even this would garner more wins. This isn't rocket science.

I don't understand why people choose to criticize one of our best players and think trading him will make the team better. LaVine has great potential but he hurts us more than helps us now. Bazz might be the worst plus minus player in the league right now and generally allows the other team to go on scoring tears. Belly has shown promise, but he is struggling. Wiggins has all star potential but his poor handle and inefficient scoring is killing us now. Pek has been terrible. KAT, Dieng, KG and Ricky are all playing fine but they can't make up for the growing pains are youngsters are going through. Jeez some of you need to be patient and not try to blow up the ship.

Camden wrote:

thedoper wrote:

Camden wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:Would there be any realistic way Rubio was traded? I am thinking of the teams trying to make the playoffs the Jazz would have a need for PG in the worst way.

MAybe
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zlpr36h

I'd rather get Exum from them which would probably help their playoff chances more this year to keep Burke and still get Ricky. But Ricky's not getting traded mid-season.

This works too.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gwqaptb

I thought about Exum. Big concerns to me about him being a bust, but if he is not. Wow that would be a crazy young team we would have if he lived up to his pre-draft hype.

I would do this trade in a heartbeat. Not sure the Jazz do though. From what I've read they are unwilling to trade major assets this year and are still focused on rebuilding. They want a stop gap PG. That being said Rubio is around the same age as Gordon and Favors and would greatly improve their core.

That is a really dumb trade idea. We might as well throw in KAT and Wiggins too.

Not really. Ricky's inability to score efficiently and stay healthy hurt the team overall. Exum and Lyles offer great upside to grow with our young core.

Ricky is one of the top point guards. He has the greatest positive impact on the team right now. There's a recent he consistently leads the team every year in plus minus stats. You are way too hung up on scoring. We got a top point guard at a bargain salary. He compliments KAT and Wiggins perfectly and he's only 24.

If he's the perfect complement, why have we been so fucking bad for most of this year? Seriously the plus/minus shit has to stop because that literally means nothing on bad teams. Ricky is not one of the top PG's because all the top PG's have been helping their teams win more games than we have this year. That's what good players do. They win you games. They don't plus/minus your brains out in losses.

...because we give three 20-year olds a ton of minutes, and as you have previously mentioned before, we have two players that are in their prime in Rubio and Dieng. We just don't have enough decent veteran players that are in their prime. Here we go with the "Rubio's supposed to win games and change the franchise" bullshit again. That's never going to be him. He's not being talked about as a superstar player so why are people criticizing him as one?

People are critizing an important part of his game (shooting) that is one of the worst in the league. No one is asking for superstar performance. Just shooting fitting of an NBA player. I believe even this would garner more wins. This isn't rocket science.

Apparently it is fucking rocket science. We talk about Rubio's scoring ability like that's what defines him as a player. Doing this completely ignores the elite abilities he does have. Sure, if Rubio could score, he'd be the best point guard in basketball. He can't. And yet, somehow he's still a good basketball player that contributes positively. And I'll say it again, Rubio's not the guy that wins games by himself. He's never been that guy.

Even if he never improved his scoring per game or efficiency, I think you can win with him. You're just going to need scoring from other places. That's what we hope to have with Towns, Wiggins and LaVine. So, what the fuck is the problem?

The problem is he holds the ball most of the time. You erase the effectiveness of ball movement when the person holding the ball the longest can't shoot.

Camden0916 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:Would there be any realistic way Rubio was traded? I am thinking of the teams trying to make the playoffs the Jazz would have a need for PG in the worst way.

MAybe
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zlpr36h

I'd rather get Exum from them which would probably help their playoff chances more this year to keep Burke and still get Ricky. But Ricky's not getting traded mid-season.

This works too.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gwqaptb

I thought about Exum. Big concerns to me about him being a bust, but if he is not. Wow that would be a crazy young team we would have if he lived up to his pre-draft hype.

I would do this trade in a heartbeat. Not sure the Jazz do though. From what I've read they are unwilling to trade major assets this year and are still focused on rebuilding. They want a stop gap PG. That being said Rubio is around the same age as Gordon and Favors and would greatly improve their core.

That is a really dumb trade idea. We might as well throw in KAT and Wiggins too.

Not really. Ricky's inability to score efficiently and stay healthy hurt the team overall. Exum and Lyles offer great upside to grow with our young core.

Ricky is one of the top point guards. He has the greatest positive impact on the team right now. There's a recent he consistently leads the team every year in plus minus stats. You are way too hung up on scoring. We got a top point guard at a bargain salary. He compliments KAT and Wiggins perfectly and he's only 24.

If he's the perfect complement, why have we been so fucking bad for most of this year? Seriously the plus/minus shit has to stop because that literally means nothing on bad teams. Ricky is not one of the top PG's because all the top PG's have been helping their teams win more games than we have this year. That's what good players do. They win you games. They don't plus/minus your brains out in losses.

...because we give three 20-year olds a ton of minutes, and as you have previously mentioned before, we have two players that are in their prime in Rubio and Dieng. We just don't have enough decent veteran players that are in their prime. Here we go with the "Rubio's supposed to win games and change the franchise" bullshit again. That's never going to be him. He's not being talked about as a superstar player so why are people criticizing him as one?

If you read the post above mine he's being called one of the top PG's in the game and considering how many star guards are at the top of this league, then he must be a star if he's one of the top in the league, no? So yes he is being talked about as a star if you or anyone else seriously believe he's a top guard in the game and stars win games. So either back down to the average PG spot he's actually in or start taking heat for the fact that he's not winning us any games because Towns is an all-star and two all-stars should be able to carry any team to .500 ball, not 17 wins at the break.

thedoper wrote:I would like to see Martin, Miller, and Prince all be moved for high 2nd round picks if possible.

Ditto that. Those would be the only three guys I'd be pushing to trade.

That Jazz trade won't happen but if they actually offered Exum and Lyles I would consider doing that for Rubio and I like Rubio.

Ricky is a solid PG that brings a lot to the table. He isn't a star and probably never will be. He has many great qualities. That being said I wouldn't hesitate to trade him if a good deal came available.

TeamRicky wrote:

thedoper wrote:

Camden wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:Would there be any realistic way Rubio was traded? I am thinking of the teams trying to make the playoffs the Jazz would have a need for PG in the worst way.

MAybe
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zlpr36h

I'd rather get Exum from them which would probably help their playoff chances more this year to keep Burke and still get Ricky. But Ricky's not getting traded mid-season.

This works too.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gwqaptb

I thought about Exum. Big concerns to me about him being a bust, but if he is not. Wow that would be a crazy young team we would have if he lived up to his pre-draft hype.

I would do this trade in a heartbeat. Not sure the Jazz do though. From what I've read they are unwilling to trade major assets this year and are still focused on rebuilding. They want a stop gap PG. That being said Rubio is around the same age as Gordon and Favors and would greatly improve their core.

That is a really dumb trade idea. We might as well throw in KAT and Wiggins too.

Not really. Ricky's inability to score efficiently and stay healthy hurt the team overall. Exum and Lyles offer great upside to grow with our young core.

Ricky is one of the top point guards. He has the greatest positive impact on the team right now. There's a recent he consistently leads the team every year in plus minus stats. You are way too hung up on scoring. We got a top point guard at a bargain salary. He compliments KAT and Wiggins perfectly and he's only 24.

If he's the perfect complement, why have we been so fucking bad for most of this year? Seriously the plus/minus shit has to stop because that literally means nothing on bad teams. Ricky is not one of the top PG's because all the top PG's have been helping their teams win more games than we have this year. That's what good players do. They win you games. They don't plus/minus your brains out in losses.

...because we give three 20-year olds a ton of minutes, and as you have previously mentioned before, we have two players that are in their prime in Rubio and Dieng. We just don't have enough decent veteran players that are in their prime. Here we go with the "Rubio's supposed to win games and change the franchise" bullshit again. That's never going to be him. He's not being talked about as a superstar player so why are people criticizing him as one?

People are critizing an important part of his game (shooting) that is one of the worst in the league. No one is asking for superstar performance. Just shooting fitting of an NBA player. I believe even this would garner more wins. This isn't rocket science.

I don't understand why people choose to criticize one of our best players and think trading him will make the team better. LaVine has great potential but he hurts us more than helps us now. Bazz might be the worst plus minus player in the league right now and generally allows the other team to go on scoring tears. Belly has shown promise, but he is struggling. Wiggins has all star potential but his poor handle and inefficient scoring is killing us now. Pek has been terrible. KAT, Dieng, KG and Ricky are all playing fine but they can't make up for the growing pains are youngsters are going through. Jeez some of you need to be patient and not try to blow up the ship.

That's a little harsh. Take him out of the lineup and where is that 21 ppg going to come from?

thedoper wrote:

Camden wrote:

thedoper wrote:

Camden wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:Would there be any realistic way Rubio was traded? I am thinking of the teams trying to make the playoffs the Jazz would have a need for PG in the worst way.

MAybe
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zlpr36h

I'd rather get Exum from them which would probably help their playoff chances more this year to keep Burke and still get Ricky. But Ricky's not getting traded mid-season.

This works too.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gwqaptb

I thought about Exum. Big concerns to me about him being a bust, but if he is not. Wow that would be a crazy young team we would have if he lived up to his pre-draft hype.

I would do this trade in a heartbeat. Not sure the Jazz do though. From what I've read they are unwilling to trade major assets this year and are still focused on rebuilding. They want a stop gap PG. That being said Rubio is around the same age as Gordon and Favors and would greatly improve their core.

That is a really dumb trade idea. We might as well throw in KAT and Wiggins too.

Not really. Ricky's inability to score efficiently and stay healthy hurt the team overall. Exum and Lyles offer great upside to grow with our young core.

Ricky is one of the top point guards. He has the greatest positive impact on the team right now. There's a recent he consistently leads the team every year in plus minus stats. You are way too hung up on scoring. We got a top point guard at a bargain salary. He compliments KAT and Wiggins perfectly and he's only 24.

If he's the perfect complement, why have we been so fucking bad for most of this year? Seriously the plus/minus shit has to stop because that literally means nothing on bad teams. Ricky is not one of the top PG's because all the top PG's have been helping their teams win more games than we have this year. That's what good players do. They win you games. They don't plus/minus your brains out in losses.

...because we give three 20-year olds a ton of minutes, and as you have previously mentioned before, we have two players that are in their prime in Rubio and Dieng. We just don't have enough decent veteran players that are in their prime. Here we go with the "Rubio's supposed to win games and change the franchise" bullshit again. That's never going to be him. He's not being talked about as a superstar player so why are people criticizing him as one?

People are critizing an important part of his game (shooting) that is one of the worst in the league. No one is asking for superstar performance. Just shooting fitting of an NBA player. I believe even this would garner more wins. This isn't rocket science.

Apparently it is fucking rocket science. We talk about Rubio's scoring ability like that's what defines him as a player. Doing this completely ignores the elite abilities he does have. Sure, if Rubio could score, he'd be the best point guard in basketball. He can't. And yet, somehow he's still a good basketball player that contributes positively. And I'll say it again, Rubio's not the guy that wins games by himself. He's never been that guy.

Even if he never improved his scoring per game or efficiency, I think you can win with him. You're just going to need scoring from other places. That's what we hope to have with Towns, Wiggins and LaVine. So, what the fuck is the problem?

The problem is he holds the ball most of the time. You erase the effectiveness of ball movement when the person holding the ball the longest can't shoot.

Funny, I didn't know if you were talking about Rubio or Wiggins here.