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Re: WOJ Live: Free Agency Show

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:40 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
TheFuture wrote:I'm a bit surprised that Chicago is trading Dunleavy to Cleveland who will be their main competition. That's a nice pickup/fit playing off Kyrie and LeBron.



There's a decent to exceptional chance Mike Dunleavy has very little to do with any Cleveland vs. Chicago matchup.

Re: WOJ Live: Free Agency Show

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 10:49 pm
by TheFuture
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
TheFuture wrote:I'm a bit surprised that Chicago is trading Dunleavy to Cleveland who will be their main competition. That's a nice pickup/fit playing off Kyrie and LeBron.



There's a decent to exceptional chance Mike Dunleavy has very little to do with any Cleveland vs. Chicago matchup.


He's a good floor spacer and not terrible defensively. I think he finds a good role in Cleveland. Unless you're just stating that Chicago is nowhere near Cleveland so it doesn't matter?

Re: WOJ Live: Free Agency Show

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:13 pm
by AbeVigodaLive
TheFuture wrote:
AbeVigodaLive wrote:
TheFuture wrote:I'm a bit surprised that Chicago is trading Dunleavy to Cleveland who will be their main competition. That's a nice pickup/fit playing off Kyrie and LeBron.



There's a decent to exceptional chance Mike Dunleavy has very little to do with any Cleveland vs. Chicago matchup.


He's a good floor spacer and not terrible defensively. I think he finds a good role in Cleveland. Unless you're just stating that Chicago is nowhere near Cleveland so it doesn't matter?



A bit of both?

There's not a team in the East that can extend Cleveland in a playoff series. None.

Dunleavy is pretty expendable. He can hit a few shots. Get out of the way when necessary. Heck, he can play the Mike Miller role if nothing else... right down to the debilitating back pain. He's not a bad player. Just not the type of guy to swing a series.

Re: WOJ Live: Free Agency Show

Posted: Wed Jul 06, 2016 11:45 pm
by TheFuture
well of course he's not going to swing a series, but he can be very effective in his role there, see Richard Jefferson. The Cavs can't upgrade like the Warriors have, but getting a guy who could occasionally put up 9-12 points on short minutes will be helpful.

Maybe you're right the Cavs will roll through the east again, but I'm not as positive about that.
Indiana, Chicago, Knicks (health), and Boston all got better, in my opinion. Toronto, Atl, and Wash will remain competitive. I don't see it as a walkthrough anymore. I'm personally more interested in what happens out East at this point.

Re: WOJ Live: Free Agency Show

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:57 am
by AbeVigodaLive
TheFuture wrote:well of course he's not going to swing a series, but he can be very effective in his role there, see Richard Jefferson. The Cavs can't upgrade like the Warriors have, but getting a guy who could occasionally put up 9-12 points on short minutes will be helpful.

Maybe you're right the Cavs will roll through the east again, but I'm not as positive about that.
Indiana, Chicago, Knicks (health), and Boston all got better, in my opinion. Toronto, Atl, and Wash will remain competitive. I don't see it as a walkthrough anymore. I'm personally more interested in what happens out East at this point.



The thing is that the gap has been HUGE. Getting better isn't enough. That's a lot to make up and Al Horford isn't nearly enough... considering his previous team was comically overmatched vs. the Cavs and he didn't do much to stop that tide.

Chicago? Indiana? NYK? Washington? Atlanta?

That's like saying Minnesota and Dallas and New Orleans are legit threats to GSW in the West.

Re: WOJ Live: Free Agency Show

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:03 pm
by Monster
Detroit signs Boban to a 3 year 21 million offer sheet.

Spurs respond by signing Dwayne Deadmon to a 2 year 6 million deal

Word is Meyers Leonard may be heading toward being an unrestricted FA. Wolfson has said the Wolves have shown interest in Leonard.

Re: WOJ Live: Free Agency Show

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:32 pm
by JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]
CoolBreeze44 wrote:
TRKO wrote:
monsterpile wrote:If all I got out of their rummage sale was Dunleavy I would be happy.

Agreed. Wanted Gibson too. Will take what I can get though.

I can't get too excited about a guy who averaged 47 games played the last two years and isn't getting any younger.


So the trick is to get guys who are getting younger, like Benjamin Button?

Felicio/Dunleavy/ProtectedFirst for a 2nd

Re: WOJ Live: Free Agency Show

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 12:34 pm
by JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]
SameOldNudityDrew wrote:To me, the big story is how Riley overplayed his hand. He's asked Wade to take less money in the past, not just for LeBron, and the quotes coming out of Miami were always that Riley would take care of Wade later in his career. But prioritizing Whiteside and Durant this summer and offering Wade 10 million per to start when bench guys were pulling 15-20, especially after the year Wade had last year, was bound to alienate the guy. I like Winslow, but otherwise I don't care if that Heat team sinks. Good for Wade.


So you use to care if the Heat were bad?

Re: WOJ Live: Free Agency Show

Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2016 9:47 pm
by Monster
Portland continues to do their thing. They got Ezeli for 2 years 16 million (or a little less depending on who you believe) that's a really good deal for him. He gives them a little different big than they had before.

Re: WOJ Live: Free Agency Show

Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2016 5:22 am
by SameOldNudityDrew
JasonIsDaMan wrote:
SameOldNudityDrew wrote:To me, the big story is how Riley overplayed his hand. He's asked Wade to take less money in the past, not just for LeBron, and the quotes coming out of Miami were always that Riley would take care of Wade later in his career. But prioritizing Whiteside and Durant this summer and offering Wade 10 million per to start when bench guys were pulling 15-20, especially after the year Wade had last year, was bound to alienate the guy. I like Winslow, but otherwise I don't care if that Heat team sinks. Good for Wade.


So you use to care if the Heat were bad?


Ha! Good point.