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Q12543 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:Butler questionable tonight.

Og also sitting for no apparent reason.

Maybe masai is making a last minute move.

Butler/Leonard is a nightmarish wing pairing for opposing teams and they can switch everything. I'm surprised there hasn't been more buzz around Toronto.

LOVE IT!!!

JB/JP/TJ/KBD to TOR for DG/NP/DW/PS/3 1sts/3 swaps/7 Seconds (assuming TOR is 21-30 this year, if not, then 5 2nds)

WildWolf2813 wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:If thibs takes this deal, we basically traded 3 lottery picks for 4 picks in the late 20's. And people are loving it?

And you knew that Terrell Owens was going to rip off his Jimmy Butler mask and reveal who he really is?
And lets discuss the "3 lottery picks". Dunn still isn't good and Lavine makes $20m/year. So it becomes one lottery picks for a playoff appearance/win, a pick in the teens, and four picks in the 20's, and maybe more.

Wolves need to get back at least 1 useable player and not just picks.

4 late picks doesnt do anything for us unless we are doing a hard reboot. We need at least 1 young guy that can play right now with Wiggins, KAT, and Okogie. Unfortunately, Chriss is not that guy.

Hopefully this starts a bidding war and we get at least 1 useable player in return.

Houston is not gonna be a playoff team for the next 8 years. They are gonna get old. They are gonna be capped out and if they don't win a title in the next 3-4 years they will need to blow it up because nobody will be left to re-tool a half decent team around. Do you really think a guy who operates in the extremes the way Morey does is going to be fine in the middle when CP3, Harden and Jimmy are in their mid 30's and not contending any more? Again, everyone thought Brooklyn was gonna be a good team with the KG/Pierce trade and they aged out way faster than anyone anticipated and Philly reaped the benefits of a team that aged overnight.

They aged out fast because Deron Williams got fat and fell off the face of the Earth. it was also a shortsighted trade because Brooklyn wanted fans to come to their new arena and take over NYC.

For what it's worth, Brooklyn reached the East semis the first year of that trade. That would be the 2nd best season in franchise history if that were us.

I'm just sick of watching this team try to build with the hope of "maybe this team will fall off soon."

I'm sick of it as well, but this is Butler's fault. No way MIN trades the #7 pick if Butler tells MIN "Oh, by the way, I'm actually Terrell Owens."

1. It's not just Butler's fault. This is an organizational mess that starts at the top.

2. I've always maintained that having an asshole on the team is not a bad thing if he's a good player. It beats having 15 nice guys who you wind up hating anyway because they can't win.

3. The fact that we're relying on Thibs and Glen to a lesser extent to make a trade that's gonna set us up for a future they won't be a part of is a huge problem that will only yield negative results.

How is this not Butler's fault?!?!?!? He is demanding a trade. Full stop. No way MIN acquires him for ONE SEASON!!! Jackie McMullen said it best: Jimmy Butler is in the process of bitching (her word) his way off of his 2nd team in 18 months. I'm sorry, but that means something.

Hey they caught the bomber. I'm so glad that they're getting that NY liberal off the streets to keep FL safe......nevermind.

I can't wait to here what Megyn Kelly has to say about....Man, I can't catch a break.

WildWolf2813 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:Butler questionable tonight.

Og also sitting for no apparent reason.

Maybe masai is making a last minute move.

Butler/Leonard is a nightmarish wing pairing for opposing teams and they can switch everything. I'm surprised there hasn't been more buzz around Toronto.

Short of trading OG (who they'd probably want to keep around in case Kawhi leaves), they don't have anything of value to give.

I disagree a bit.

VanVleet
Siakam
OG Anunoby
Delon Wright

Each offers varying degrees of value. Each is relatively young and has shown definitive improvement while earning minutes on a quality playoff team.

We can quibble about just how good any of them are... or will be.

AbeVigodaLive wrote:

WildWolf2813 wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:Butler questionable tonight.

Og also sitting for no apparent reason.

Maybe masai is making a last minute move.

Butler/Leonard is a nightmarish wing pairing for opposing teams and they can switch everything. I'm surprised there hasn't been more buzz around Toronto.

Short of trading OG (who they'd probably want to keep around in case Kawhi leaves), they don't have anything of value to give.

I disagree a bit.

VanVleet
Siakam
OG Anunoby
Delon Wright

Each offers varying degrees of value. Each is relatively young and has shown definitive improvement while earning minutes on a quality playoff team.

We can quibble about just how good any of them are... or will be.

I'm with you Abe I think there is some worthwhile stuff there. I was gonna say even C.J. Miles could be a help now guy and then I looked up his stats...man I'm glad we didn't give up a 1st round pick to get that guy.

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:Butler questionable tonight.

Og also sitting for no apparent reason.

Maybe masai is making a last minute move.

Butler/Leonard is a nightmarish wing pairing for opposing teams and they can switch everything. I'm surprised there hasn't been more buzz around Toronto.

LOVE IT!!!

JB/JP/TJ/KBD to TOR for DG/NP/DW/PS/3 1sts/3 swaps/7 Seconds (assuming TOR is 21-30 this year, if not, then 5 2nds)

I know this more me being nitpicky and argumentative than anything else, but it's hard to take some of your posts seriously -- mainly because of your incessant need to include unrealistic pick swaps and ridiculous amount of second-round picks flying everywhere. Find me one deal in basketball history where a team traded seven second-round picks, or even five.

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:Butler questionable tonight.

Og also sitting for no apparent reason.

Maybe masai is making a last minute move.

Butler/Leonard is a nightmarish wing pairing for opposing teams and they can switch everything. I'm surprised there hasn't been more buzz around Toronto.

LOVE IT!!!

JB/JP/TJ/KBD to TOR for DG/NP/DW/PS/3 1sts/3 swaps/7 Seconds (assuming TOR is 21-30 this year, if not, then 5 2nds)

I haven't seen Jason this excited about this franchise in a long time. Look at how Thibs energizing the fan base. :)

monsterpile wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:Butler questionable tonight.

Og also sitting for no apparent reason.

Maybe masai is making a last minute move.

Butler/Leonard is a nightmarish wing pairing for opposing teams and they can switch everything. I'm surprised there hasn't been more buzz around Toronto.

LOVE IT!!!

JB/JP/TJ/KBD to TOR for DG/NP/DW/PS/3 1sts/3 swaps/7 Seconds (assuming TOR is 21-30 this year, if not, then 5 2nds)

I haven't seen Jason this excited about this franchise in a long time. Look at how Thibs energizing the fan base. :)

No kidding, shocked he didn't demand Leonard too!

Camden wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:Butler questionable tonight.

Og also sitting for no apparent reason.

Maybe masai is making a last minute move.

Butler/Leonard is a nightmarish wing pairing for opposing teams and they can switch everything. I'm surprised there hasn't been more buzz around Toronto.

LOVE IT!!!

JB/JP/TJ/KBD to TOR for DG/NP/DW/PS/3 1sts/3 swaps/7 Seconds (assuming TOR is 21-30 this year, if not, then 5 2nds)

I know this more me being nitpicky and argumentative than anything else, but it's hard to take some of your posts seriously -- mainly because of your incessant need to include unrealistic pick swaps and ridiculous amount of second-round picks flying everywhere. Find me one deal in basketball history where a team traded seven second-round picks, or even five.

Here's how I got to this. See if you can follow. If you can't, go ahead and print it out to reread later.

HOU offered 4 1sts. That's called an offer. You then ask for more, which is called a counter-offer. Is a three 1st's/ three swap REALLY that much different than the BKN/BOS trade? Also in every trade I have mentioned, JB is clearly the best player, so why wouldn't MIN get something back? And why aren't you going the people who think 4 1st is "not enough" for a guy WHO IS GOING TO LEEEEEEEEEAVE!?!?!

I have a job-slash-life, so I'm not going to go through all these threads, but if I did, are you ABSOLUTELY sure I couldn't find some of your that I find "hard to take seriously"? Weren't you one the guys who thought Aaron Aflalo was the next Bernard King? Or on the strength 3 good playoff games against second teamers that Bismarck Biyombo was the new Ben Wallace?

Don't like the 2nd rounders? Fine, not a dealbreaker. But if HOU is wlling to part iwth four first rounders, and that STILL NOT ENOUGH for some, then why wouldn't I suggest more?

And while I'm busy researching, find me a deal with FOUR firsts, FROM ANY SPORT! Leaf, Gretzky, A-Rod, wherever.

monsterpile wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:Butler questionable tonight.

Og also sitting for no apparent reason.

Maybe masai is making a last minute move.

Butler/Leonard is a nightmarish wing pairing for opposing teams and they can switch everything. I'm surprised there hasn't been more buzz around Toronto.

LOVE IT!!!

JB/JP/TJ/KBD to TOR for DG/NP/DW/PS/3 1sts/3 swaps/7 Seconds (assuming TOR is 21-30 this year, if not, then 5 2nds)

I haven't seen Jason this excited about this franchise in a long time. Look at how Thibs energizing the fan base. :)

I'm a firm believer that most, if not all, teams have something worthwhile to trade for. It's a stretch presently with SAC, but then again, they can absord $11m, so that's something.