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lipoli390 wrote:

Camden wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Camden wrote:Was just reading an article that included Young, found this interesting tidbit:

"In 2012-13, he finished ninth in the NBA in total steals and according to HoopData.com, 17th in defensive plays (the combination of blocks, steals and charges taken)."

An upgraded version of Corey Brewer.

Was this an attempt to take a shot at Young, Brewer or both?

lol. Not really a shot at either. Just another way to look at Young's value. Corey's value lies in his ability to generate turnovers and run out on the fast break. The stat you found confirms that Young can do what Corey does in the steals department. We know that Young is fast and can get out well on the break. But Young adds extra value over Brewer in that he is a slightly better three--point shooter than Corey and a moderately better rebounder. I actually think Young is a slightly better ball-handler than Corey as well. So he's Corey Plus. Not bad.

If Thad is a more effective PFish version of Brewer that might be pretty worthwhile. I think everyone here understands that if you just looked at Brewer's stats he is nothing special but despite his flaws which are significant he can help you play winning basketball or at least more worthwhile basketball than the stats show. Brewer competes like very few players in the NBA, actually has some talent and is elite when it comes to taking away the basketball.

Let's say Flip is sold on Thad. It seems like everything I read about him people (writers coaches fans) rave about his attitude, hard work, team concept etc. Maybe Flip sees Thad as this rebuild's version of Sam Mitchell the guy that can play and also help lead. I'm not saying that's actually the case (because I don't know that much about Thad beyound what I have read) but that might be something to consider. Also if Flip thinks he can get Thad to opt out and and then re-sign for something more reasonable like 5-8 million per for 3-4 years as a very good rotation player (think Donyell Marshall or Jeff Green) that might be pretty good.

If that report is true we better be dumping a bunch of guys on the Sixers even if they are expirings. Its seemed like Flip has wanted to keep some cap space open for next year for a few reasons one of which might be simply to have space to sign or even 2 europlayers. Thad could end up cutting into that space if he opts in and unless he proves Cam right and nobody here would complain :) he will be at least overpaid some. Idk. I guess we will see what happens.

Don't dismiss the idea that the Wolves could be getting Wiggins, Young, and Phillys 1st

I am pretty sure I read that Flip was looking for Young to agree to opt in.

I was thinking that waiting for Wiggins (30 days) was so the Cavs could use their unguaranteed deals to take back another player or two from us. I was thinking Shved, but maybe Bud might be the guy.

I don't see any reason Philly would give up a first round pick unless it was heavily protected.

What would they be getting out of this deal that would make them willing to give up a 1st round pick? Waiters is the only name I've heard thrown around and even then I'm not sure it would be worth it to them let alone if they are mainly involved to make salary work they would want to come out with some bonus for helping not giving away a pick.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to have it but from their perspective they are looking to acquire assets and tank another year with their two lottery picks not playing for them this year so they would need something pretty special to give up pick they would be aiming for best lottery odds in the draft.

Let be honest that report of what the 3-way deal is supposed to be is a joke. Basically we get Wiggins for Love and then give up Bennett and 2 picks for Thad Young? LOLOLOLOLOLOL Ok right. I'm sure Flip could call up Ainge and say what woudl you take for Brandon Bass? I'm sure a first round pick and expirings would get the job done. Just like other rumored deals that have been out there over this process this one is a joke. Also the Wolves don't really have any contracts that they have to unload that badly. Heck Glenn could eat JJ and Shved's contract if they wanted too (they will be paying that much money either way) and then sign GR3 or whatever. They don't HAVE to unload anyone so bad they HAVE TO PAY THEM TO TAKE THEM.

mnhoops wrote:I don't see any reason Philly would give up a first round pick unless it was heavily protected.

What would they be getting out of this deal that would make them willing to give up a 1st round pick? Waiters is the only name I've heard thrown around and even then I'm not sure it would be worth it to them let alone if they are mainly involved to make salary work they would want to come out with some bonus for helping not giving away a pick.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to have it but from their perspective they are looking to acquire assets and tank another year with their two lottery picks not playing for them this year so they would need something pretty special to give up pick they would be aiming for best lottery odds in the draft.

That's where we disagree. I don't think they can afford to tank again. The season ticket base in a predominately hockey town is not going to put up with it.

If you want to waste some time and listen to the Windhorst spot on the radio you can, but I just did and he said nothing new. That report/tweet added stuff he didn't say.

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=11308433

http://gifrific.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kevin-love-high-five-fail.gif


So there's been a handshake you say?

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

mnhoops wrote:I don't see any reason Philly would give up a first round pick unless it was heavily protected.

What would they be getting out of this deal that would make them willing to give up a 1st round pick? Waiters is the only name I've heard thrown around and even then I'm not sure it would be worth it to them let alone if they are mainly involved to make salary work they would want to come out with some bonus for helping not giving away a pick.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to have it but from their perspective they are looking to acquire assets and tank another year with their two lottery picks not playing for them this year so they would need something pretty special to give up pick they would be aiming for best lottery odds in the draft.

That's where we disagree. I don't think they can afford to tank again. The season ticket base in a predominately hockey town is not going to put up with it.

They used two top-10 picks on guys who won't put a jersey on this season. They've also made it known that they are willing to take on bad contracts if they get future assets. Philly is also making a big stink about the proposed lottery changes. Make no mistake, the Sixers are tanking again.

ace wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

mnhoops wrote:I don't see any reason Philly would give up a first round pick unless it was heavily protected.

What would they be getting out of this deal that would make them willing to give up a 1st round pick? Waiters is the only name I've heard thrown around and even then I'm not sure it would be worth it to them let alone if they are mainly involved to make salary work they would want to come out with some bonus for helping not giving away a pick.

Don't get me wrong I'd love to have it but from their perspective they are looking to acquire assets and tank another year with their two lottery picks not playing for them this year so they would need something pretty special to give up pick they would be aiming for best lottery odds in the draft.

That's where we disagree. I don't think they can afford to tank again. The season ticket base in a predominately hockey town is not going to put up with it.

They used two top-10 picks on guys who won't put a jersey on this season. They've also made it known that they are willing to take on bad contracts if they get future assets. Philly is also making a big stink about the proposed lottery changes. Make no mistake, the Sixers are tanking again.

Exactly right Ace, Philly is all about building a team for the future, I think they'll be in tank mode for at least another two years. Basketball is probably the least popular sport in Philly but with the core their putting together they should be a really good team in another few years and the people will come out to see them