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TeamRicky wrote:The short-sighted "win now" philosophy under Adelman lost us the chance to draft Terrence Jones who we essentially gave up for Budinger. He would have been a nice replacement for Love, especially since he will still be on a rookie deal.

I dont see how getting young will be short sighted. We'd still be a lotto team but we should be fun to watch. Having good players who play the right way can sometimes be beneficial to a rebuilding team as he can be a mentor or example to the young players on how to conduct themselves and their preperation. Getting used to losing might develop some bad habbits for some young players as well.

The way I see it is we'd still be a lotto team but a fun to watch one. Next years draft is pf heavy so we might be able to add one to groom for the future.

TeamRicky wrote:The short-sighted "win now" philosophy under Adelman lost us the chance to draft Terrence Jones who we essentially gave up for Budinger. He would have been a nice replacement for Love, especially since he will still be on a rookie deal.

I agree, but there's a difference from the Budinger trade to a Young trade, which is what you're getting at with your post.

Reason: Budinger was never a starter. He was supposed to be a nice rotation player for us and basically that's it. We coughed up a mid-1st for him. That's a poor trade and I never was in favor of it.

Young's a starter in this league, and a good one, in my opinion. He's only 26 and if we can get him by trading a highly paid No. 1 overall (bust) in Bennett? I call that a win.

worldK wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:The short-sighted "win now" philosophy under Adelman lost us the chance to draft Terrence Jones who we essentially gave up for Budinger. He would have been a nice replacement for Love, especially since he will still be on a rookie deal.

I dont see how getting young will be short sighted. We'd still be a lotto team but we should be fun to watch. Having good players who play the right way can sometimes be beneficial to a rebuilding team as he can be a mentor or example to the young players on how to conduct themselves and their preperation. Getting used to losing might develop some bad habbits for some young players as well.

The way I see it is we'd still be a lotto team but a fun to watch one. Next years draft is pf heavy so we might be able to add one to groom for the future.

Agreed. Seems like Flip wants to change the culture in Minnesota, which needs to be done. The last thing we need is what Philly has going on. Tank City. You can be competitive while developing young talent. That's how it's supposed to be done. Spurs, Bulls, Thunder, Rockets, etc. They've all done this.

Camden wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:The short-sighted "win now" philosophy under Adelman lost us the chance to draft Terrence Jones who we essentially gave up for Budinger. He would have been a nice replacement for Love, especially since he will still be on a rookie deal.

I agree, but there's a difference from the Budinger trade to a Young trade, which is what you're getting at with your post.

Reason: Budinger was never a starter. He was supposed to be a nice rotation player for us and basically that's it. We coughed up a mid-1st for him. That's a poor trade and I never was in favor of it.

Young's a starter in this league, and a good one, in my opinion. He's only 26 and if we can get him by trading a highly paid No. 1 overall (bust) in Bennett? I call that a win.

Its tough the Wolves have gotten burned twice by making trades for young vets in Webster and Bud. If those guys stayed healthy (was an issue for Webster before the trade) then those trades would have looked just fine becasue they woudl have been at least effective (would get legit minutes on playoff teams impact players) rotation wings and that woudl be solid value. Cam is right Thad is much more proven than either of those guys and hasn't missed too many games from injury either. Also keep in mind he just turned 26 about a month ago. Just to put it in some sort of perspective he is 3 months older than Love who really is still a young player.

I agree with the thought of getting a guy like Thad to help change the culture of the Wolves. Everything I read about Thad makes him think he is exactly the type of guy Flip would be looking for team, athleticism, hard work etc. Adding Young would give him some experienced guys that seem very much about team in Rubio, Pek and Young. That might be something worthwhile especially if you are trying to mold young players into something really good.

You all have heard enough of me ranting about Thad Young, right? Well, I do creep on RealGM from time to time, and I thought this was a pretty good post from a Sixers fan who commented on the Kevin Love trade thread on the Wolves section. Is it biased? Probably, but I find some objectivity in the comment nonetheless.

"I've seen almost every single game Thad has played since he was drafted. I think he is highly underrated. He's not a big name, so people who don't watch a lot of Sixers basketball (and who does, quite frankly?) just assume he's some mediocre nobody. Thad Young is a good player, and is a fit with any team.

Everything the coaches asked of Thad since he has been drafted, he has done. I believe he was the youngest player in the NBA when he was drafted. He was very raw. He came in as a 3, and played the 3 for a while, but then the team asked him to move to the 4. They asked him to develop his inside game, and he has done that remarkably. He has very good touch and finish around the rim. He can get out in transition. His jumper was not very good for the longest time, but he improved it a lot this past season. They asked him to work on his defense, and he has done that every season. You'd think a guy in the league as long as he has been will have hit their ceiling. Thad improves every single year. He's also a very smart player, a great teammate, and he plays hard every single night. During the Sixers 26 game losing streak, he busted his ass every night.

If the T-Wolves are looking to try and compete now, you can't go wrong with Thad Young. He's a good quality player. He won't make any all-star games, but I can promise you this. You will never be dissatisfied or disappointed with Thaddeus. What you see is what you get. He'll give you consistency each night. He'll find a way to contribute in some way, even on a bad shooting night.

If this is the end of Thad with the Sixers, I can say with no hesitation that I enjoyed watching him play very much. Good player, better teammate."

I like Thaddeus and his game, and for him to be raved about as a professional, a great teammate and hard worker only increases my feelings about acquiring him.

After reading tweets by both Wolfson and AP Krawczyski, here is where it seems to me the Love trade is at right now.

It seems pretty obvious the Love to Cavs for Wiggins Bennett and draft consideration plus whatever basically meaningless contracts to make it work is basically agreed on. The reason the trade isn't done other that it can't be because of Wiggins contract is the Wolves want Thad Young and the Sixers see this as a way to get maybe the best return they can hope for because the Wolves via the Cavs have something the rebuilding asset stockpiling Sixers want.

Now its a negotiation process basically between the Wolves and Sixers and maybe the Cavs have some random young player that's a former 2nd round pick or something the Sixers want in the package who knows. Also it would look better to get Young in the 3-way trade because it would add to what the percieved return would look like for Love. I think that's a very minor point but it was suggested in a Twitter converation and I thought it was worth mentioning.

It seems like getting Young and Bennett to the Wolves is in play but it seems like nobody knows what the asking price is for Young. My guess is the Sixers are asking for a lot and neither the Wolves (or the Cavs willing to throw in more) are willing to meet that asking price. My guess now is the Sixers are holding out for Bennett and at least one 1st round pick plus taking back expirings for Thad. The Sixers have some decent leverage so they should ask for a decent return but Bennett AND a pick seems kinda high but in draft days deals they were tough negotiators. Turner and Hawes they got what they could which wasn't much.

So its down to who blinks first the Sixers or the Wolves. My guess is they settle for a 1st rounder (or Bennett) a 2nd rounder and some expirings 1 of those guys they might actually value in some way. I also wouldn't be shocked if those expirings could be part of what is holding up the trade. Maybe Flip wouldn't mind holding onto Luc as a backup (Sixers wouldn't mind adding him) and maybe the Sixers have no interest in JJ. Maybe both teams value Shved. I doubt those players keep the deal from happening but it may take some hashing out. Fortunately they have plenty of time. Lol I'd think unless the Sixers ask for more than what I suggested the deal for Thad gets done. That's a pretty decent return for Thad and I don't know if they are going to get anything better if they wait.

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:The short-sighted "win now" philosophy under Adelman lost us the chance to draft Terrence Jones who we essentially gave up for Budinger. He would have been a nice replacement for Love, especially since he will still be on a rookie deal.

Good point Ricky

why would we have drafted jones with Love on the roster?

alexftbl8181 wrote:

CoolBreeze44 wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:The short-sighted "win now" philosophy under Adelman lost us the chance to draft Terrence Jones who we essentially gave up for Budinger. He would have been a nice replacement for Love, especially since he will still be on a rookie deal.

Good point Ricky

why would we have drafted jones with Love on the roster?

Because he was the best player available
I believe in taking the BPA and he is the guy I would have drafted had we kept our pick

I loved the idea of Bud joining the roster and thought he looked great to start his first year until he couldn't stay healthy. I'm probably in the minority but really hoping he finds a way to stay healthy this year (if hes not moved) because this team could definitely use his outside shooting and become a nice complement to Wiggins and Brewers defense, while worst case developing some trade value.

World & Cam I wasn't suggesting that getting Young was short sighted. I really like him and hope we can sign him to a reasonable contract.