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Re: The Love-Wiggins Deal Thread
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:48 pm
by TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]
alexftbl8181 wrote:TeamRicky wrote:alexftbl8181 wrote:CoolBreeze44 wrote:TeamRicky wrote:The short-sighted "win now" philosophy under Adelman lost us the chance to draft Terrence Jones who we essentially gave up for Budinger. He would have been a nice replacement for Love, especially since he will still be on a rookie deal.
Good point Ricky
why would we have drafted jones with Love on the roster?
Because he was the best player available
I believe in taking the BPA and he is the guy I would have drafted had we kept our pick
Don't buy it. It was the first year of Loves extension, so drafting for Loves replacement seems stupid. The team had no shooting which Bud provided. Also the win now makes less sense when Bud was just 23 at the time.
It wasn't Adelman win now mode so much as logical basketball moves
Trading for a one year rental bench player over drafting the best player available in a pretty deep draft is logical? You got me sport. LOL
FYI, TJ can play either forward position and, so yes, there was a spot for him with the Wolves as either a starting SF or backup PF or SF.
Re: The Love-Wiggins Deal Thread
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:52 pm
by Camden [enjin:6601484]
Ehh, Jones can't play small forward in the NBA, in my opinion. In college he could. Think most NBA SFs are too quick for him. He's a good power forward, though, and I like him.
PS: Thought you were hating on the idea of trading for Young. My bad and I do apologize if that wasn't your stance. I've been in defense mode about the guy considering all the less-than-supportive words flying about him.
Re: The Love-Wiggins Deal Thread
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:00 pm
by TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]
alexftbl8181 wrote:
Don't buy it. It was the first year of Loves extension, so drafting for Loves replacement seems stupid. The team had no shooting which Bud provided. Also the win now makes less sense when Bud was just 23 at the time.
It wasn't Adelman win now mode so much as logical basketball moves
LOL @ the bold statement. On the one year rental, Bud shot 3 points at a 32.1% clip and overall at a 41.4% clip and he managed to stay healthy for 23 games. We could have signed a low end free agent for that kind of production and still kept our draft pick.
Re: The Love-Wiggins Deal Thread
Posted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 11:07 pm
by TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]
Cam, I really like Young. I"m surprised at the negativity, but he's a very good player. He's a career 50% shooter yet others claim he's real inefficient. His percentage was off last year since I assume he was double or even triple teamed because the rest of the team was essentially D League talent.
Re: The Love-Wiggins Deal Thread
Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 10:33 pm
by TeamRicky [enjin:6648771]
longstrangetrip wrote:sjm34 wrote:Is there anyone that believes THad is a starting PF on a PO team in the West?
I think this is Flip being overly confident about his coaching skills.
Thad is certainly not a prototypical PF on a playoff team. A playoff PF would have to be above average in at least 2 of the primary core competencies for a PF (defense, rebounding and efficient scoring), and
the statistics show that Young is well below average in all 3. Flip has to know this, and if he doesn't, at least his son is sufficiently knowledgeable of advanced stats to know this. That's why I have always thought, and continue to think, that Flip sees Young as a means to an end...not an end himself. I still think that Flip sees Young only as a placeholder until he can find his real starting PF, and as a means to dump some players that he needs to dump to balance the roster. The rumored deal doesn't accomplish this, so I'm with grey at this point...it's more lazy reporting and BS.
Total BS. Young is CERTAINLY NOT a "well below average defender" (he's at least average, and probably an above average defender) and a guy who shoots 50% is NOT a "well below average" efficient scorer.
Seriously, I don't know why you hate on Thad Young so much. Your selective use of stats is comical. And you think Bennett is better. LMAO
Re: The Love-Wiggins Deal Thread
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:09 am
by foye2smith [enjin:6593248]
TeamRicky wrote:alexftbl8181 wrote:
Don't buy it. It was the first year of Loves extension, so drafting for Loves replacement seems stupid. The team had no shooting which Bud provided. Also the win now makes less sense when Bud was just 23 at the time.
It wasn't Adelman win now mode so much as logical basketball moves
LOL @ the bold statement. On the one year rental, Bud shot 3 points at a 32.1% clip and overall at a 41.4% clip and he managed to stay healthy for 23 games. We could have signed a low end free agent for that kind of production and still kept our draft pick.
You make that Bud deal more times than not. Terrible luck he wrecked his knee early in his Wolves stint. He was relatively healthy early in his career and was coming off a good shooting year. His TS% that year was higher than any wolve not named Kevin Love or Nikola Pekovic and his eFG% was even better than Love's. There were only 14 wing players in the league who hit at least 55% TS and 50% eFG while shooting more than 200 3's. That's exactly the type of shooter the wolves were deparate for. No low end free agent or late 1st was going to bring the shooting Bud was capable of. He just got snake bit.
Now we hope a year and a half later his knee has healed and he can regain his stroke.
Re: The Love-Wiggins Deal Thread
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:31 am
by 60WinTim
Boom! Although it's exactly what we've heard...
https://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--cavaliers-have-agreement-to-acquire-kevin-love--who-commits-to-staying-in-cleveland-054657392.html
Re: The Love-Wiggins Deal Thread
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 8:57 am
by Phenom
I wonder if the Wolves will be able to reel Philly into this.
Re: The Love-Wiggins Deal Thread
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:08 am
by 60WinTim
Phenom's_Revenge wrote:I wonder if the Wolves will be able to reel Philly into this.
I said this before, but it really makes no sense for the Wolves to turn this into a 3-team deal.
What would the Wolves gain? The benefit is they could absorb Thad's salary and only have to send out one expiring contract. Yet, we know they want to send out two or three contracts if possible!
It seems to me it has to be a 2-team deal. And they deal with Philly (or whoever) as a separate trade.
Re: The Love-Wiggins Deal Thread
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:30 am
by 60WinTim
And just to add a few more tweets (much to Cam's chagrin!):
Dan Barreiro ?@DanBarreiroKFAN 22m
To latest report on Love deal: can only say: alert the media, have you heard about the Lindbergh baby?
Dan Barreiro ?@DanBarreiroKFAN 19m
We have said all along: Wiggins AND Bennett stay here. Along with a No. 1 from Cleve
Dan Barreiro ?@DanBarreiroKFAN 17m
If Young is acquired from Philly, Bennett will not be involved.