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Teague is not a negative asset and it's not going to cost THAT much to unload Dieng (I still think Teague + Dieng + 1st and maybe a 2nd would get the job done). We probably need to see the market for Russell before knowing with 100% certainty that Teague wouldn't be enough outgoing salary.

Also isn't it 125% of out going salary? If that's the case Teague's 19m is good for 23.75m in return. So the question is, will Russell for sure get more than that? I don't think anything is a certainty heading into free agency. It could be a wild ride.

Camden0916 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:We need to clear about 35 million in cap space for DLO.

Do prefer:

A)

Dlo for teague and/orDieng and/or covington + 1 or 2 of Culver or Okogie or Future picks

B)

A PG that can fit into the MLE. Someone like Mudiay or Collison or Joseph or maybe even Rubio.

It doesn't necessarily have to be option A here as it could just as easily be Teague and a lottery protected first to a third team with a second round pick heading to Brooklyn for facilitating.

But even in your presented options, Minnesota needs to acquire premium level talent and build around that. Right now they have one foundational piece and need at least one more. Landing Russell should be the top priority for Rosas and company.

I thought a straight teague +pick swap wouldnt work.

Wolves are about 8 million over the cap, so if dlo wants the full max at 4/118, then we'd need to be almost 27 million under the cap to have the trade be legal. I could br wrong though.

You are correct. My statement was the simplest option that could be available where Russell commands $24M in salary instead of the $27.5M that the max contract is worth. If he does indeed get the max, then Teague + Okogie just about gets it done.

My point is that the Wolves won't be mortgaging their future to get Russell and that the overall price is well within reason.

Still don't think is enough.

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MIN is already over the cap, so they need to add the salary reduction to get down to the cap, plus Russell's $27.25 max salary - so they must clear about $35 mil. Dieng and Teague together make about $35, but removing them creates two $900,000 roster holds, so we're back down to $33. MIN has few players they could add that could clear that gap except for Culver.

crazy-canuck wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:We need to clear about 35 million in cap space for DLO.

Do prefer:

A)

Dlo for teague and/orDieng and/or covington + 1 or 2 of Culver or Okogie or Future picks

B)

A PG that can fit into the MLE. Someone like Mudiay or Collison or Joseph or maybe even Rubio.

It doesn't necessarily have to be option A here as it could just as easily be Teague and a lottery protected first to a third team with a second round pick heading to Brooklyn for facilitating.

But even in your presented options, Minnesota needs to acquire premium level talent and build around that. Right now they have one foundational piece and need at least one more. Landing Russell should be the top priority for Rosas and company.

I thought a straight teague +pick swap wouldnt work.

Wolves are about 8 million over the cap, so if dlo wants the full max at 4/118, then we'd need to be almost 27 million under the cap to have the trade be legal. I could br wrong though.

You are correct. My statement was the simplest option that could be available where Russell commands $24M in salary instead of the $27.5M that the max contract is worth. If he does indeed get the max, then Teague + Okogie just about gets it done.

My point is that the Wolves won't be mortgaging their future to get Russell and that the overall price is well within reason.

Still don't think is enough.

Taken from another site:

MIN is already over the cap, so they need to add the salary reduction to get down to the cap, plus Russell's $27.25 max salary - so they must clear about $35 mil. Dieng and Teague together make about $35, but removing them creates two $900,000 roster holds, so we're back down to $33. MIN has few players they could add that could clear that gap except for Culver.

Those numbers are accurate if Minnesota was going to sign him as a free agent using cap space, however, that is not the avenue of approach that Rosas will go with as it ties his hands elsewhere -- specifically in regards to re-signing Tyus Jones and/or Taj Gibson.

If Minnesota acquires D'Angelo Russell, it will be via a sign and trade.

Camden0916 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:We need to clear about 35 million in cap space for DLO.

Do prefer:

A)

Dlo for teague and/orDieng and/or covington + 1 or 2 of Culver or Okogie or Future picks

B)

A PG that can fit into the MLE. Someone like Mudiay or Collison or Joseph or maybe even Rubio.

It doesn't necessarily have to be option A here as it could just as easily be Teague and a lottery protected first to a third team with a second round pick heading to Brooklyn for facilitating.

But even in your presented options, Minnesota needs to acquire premium level talent and build around that. Right now they have one foundational piece and need at least one more. Landing Russell should be the top priority for Rosas and company.

I thought a straight teague +pick swap wouldnt work.

Wolves are about 8 million over the cap, so if dlo wants the full max at 4/118, then we'd need to be almost 27 million under the cap to have the trade be legal. I could br wrong though.

You are correct. My statement was the simplest option that could be available where Russell commands $24M in salary instead of the $27.5M that the max contract is worth. If he does indeed get the max, then Teague + Okogie just about gets it done.

My point is that the Wolves won't be mortgaging their future to get Russell and that the overall price is well within reason.

Still don't think is enough.

Taken from another site:

MIN is already over the cap, so they need to add the salary reduction to get down to the cap, plus Russell's $27.25 max salary - so they must clear about $35 mil. Dieng and Teague together make about $35, but removing them creates two $900,000 roster holds, so we're back down to $33. MIN has few players they could add that could clear that gap except for Culver.

Those numbers are accurate if Minnesota was going to sign him as a free agent using cap space, however, that is not the avenue of approach that Rosas will go with as it ties his hands elsewhere -- specifically in regards to re-signing Tyus Jones and/or Taj Gibson.

If Minnesota acquires D'Angelo Russell, it will be via a sign and trade.

If sign and trade, Brooklyn will have to want what we have.

If they sign irving, the will want all the capspace they can to bring in someone else like kd. So, they will want no salary coming back, hence renouncing dlo. If kd doesn't sign, then they just might keep dlo.

Only way i see us getting him on the cheap (asset wise) is if the nets want to roll over their capspace 1 year. Then something like teague+okogie could work.

Perhaps I'm not explaining this thoroughly enough, but to make my point very clear, the sign and trade for D'Angelo Russel will be between the Minnesota Timberwolves, Brooklyn Nets, and a third team that, as of right now, has not yet surfaced. This is the only move that makes the most sense for all parties, assuming that Kyrie Irving does sign with Brooklyn.

Minnesota will be receiving Russell to be their lead guard of the now and the future. At 23-years old and already being an All-Star player, he is on the same developmental trajectory and career timeline as our incumbent star player, Karl-Anthony Towns. The duo would be dynamic offensively and would actually paint a vision/identity for this team moving forward. We'd rely on a heavy dose of pick and roll basketball with versatile wings surrounding the two. I think that's what Rosas will intend to build.

Brooklyn would be receiving a second-round pick and no incoming salary for their involvement in this trade. Their only role here would be to facilitate the trade. Russell would come to terms with Minnesota's front office and Brooklyn would send him to the Twin Cities. I will restate that the Nets are taking back zero salary in this trade. Brooklyn's focus would remain on attracting a second star player to join Irving. Russell, at that point, becomes dead weight to them.

The third team that has not yet been discovered or named will be receiving Jeff Teague's $19.0M expiring contract and a future lottery-protected first round pick OR Josh Okogie and his $2.53M salary. I think what asset is paired with Teague will be dependent on what the terms of Russell's contract are. If Russell signs for $24.0M salary or less, I would imagine the draft pick will be included. Anything that exceeds that figure requires Okogie to be included -- with no additional draft pick as compensation. It would make sense for a team in need of a point guard to be involved here, especially if they struck out in the pursuit of a Irving, Kemba Walker, or the Mike Conley sweepstakes. They would have to absorb Teague's salary into their available cap space without sending any contracts back. Teams to keep an eye on include, but are not limited to, the following: Boston Celtics, New York Knicks, Phoenix Suns, and Dallas Mavericks.

It benefits Minnesota to make this move as a three-team trade because it requires less bad contracts to be dumped -- meaning less assets attached to them -- and it keeps the Wolves as a player in free agency. They'd still have the MLE to use. They'd still be able to match an offer sheet on Tyus Jones, and they'd still have Early Bird Rights on Taj Gibson. This avenue makes the most sense.

I get it, i just think that that will also be difficult.

According to wolfson, rosas tried to engage the nets on a wiggins for dlo swap.

If you believe wolfson, then whatever trust was building between wiggs and rosas is gone.

crazy-canuck wrote:I get it, i just think that that will also be difficult.

According to wolfson, rosas tried to engage the nets on a wiggins for dlo swap.

If you believe wolfson, then whatever trust was building between wiggs and rosas is gone.

Well, I guess you can't blame Rosas for trying! It'd be smart to offer Andrew Wiggins up for just about anything at this point.

Who gives a shit if Wiggins doesn't trust Rosas? The only way Wiggins can get out is play his way out because right now there aren't many if any takers. What has Wiggins done to take into consideration his feelings at this point? He's got a max deal. He can't make even more money. Shut the fuck up and play basketball.

khans2k5 wrote:Who gives a shit if Wiggins doesn't trust Rosas? The only way Wiggins can get out is play his way out because right now there aren't many if any takers. What has Wiggins done to take into consideration his feelings at this point? He's got a max deal. He can't make even more money. Shut the fuck up and play basketball.

Or better yet, he should go find a team that wants him who also won't hurt his feelings, please. Pretty sure we could pass that hat on this forum alone and get him a privately chartered flight to that team tomorrow.

crazy-canuck wrote:I get it, i just think that that will also be difficult.

According to wolfson, rosas tried to engage the nets on a wiggins for dlo swap.

If you believe wolfson, then whatever trust was building between wiggs and rosas is gone.

There shoulda never been a trust in the first place. Nobody should trust Wiggins in any way shape or form.


If Rosas' plan to clear cap space was think that Wiggins had trade value, he's about to have huge regrets taking this job because he's gonna find out that this is as difficult of a situation as there is in the league.