khans2k5 wrote:I don't know if it's possible under the cap, but Philly needs a real PG on that team and Tobias is a luxury piece they can't really utilize. I'd be interested if we could swap Teague and Dieng for Tobias giving us another offensive weapon and shooter and a guy that can take some small ball 4 responsibility's off Covington. Or maybe long-term it's a 3 team deal with GS where Russell comes here, Tobias to GS and Teague and pieces to Philly. We should be offloading Teague this year if we can to get something back since he's not in the long term plans. Just thinking out loud.
They do?
Philadelphia is 7 - 3... and 6 - 0 when Embiid and Simmons play together. The team's massive size is in part a big reason they're one of the top two teams (according to most) in the East.
Tobias Harris is a 17 / 8 / 3 / 48% guy right now.
The 76ers are gunning for a title. Teague offers them next-to-nothing in that quest. Dieng offers them even less. Harris would be a huge loss.
Have you looked at their schedule? They're 2-3 against teams with winning records and 5-0 against losers. Simmons still won't shoot the ball. It's still a problem. So yes they could use a PG and some cap relief in the process.
We disagree.
They lost to Phoenix on the road by 5 without Embiid.
They lost to Utah on the road by 2 with Simmons getting injured.
They lost to Denver on the road by 3 without Simmons.
I'd give them a bit more time in their championship run before they completely dismantle their strategy by bringing in injury-prone, undersized and underwhelming Jeff Teague on his expiring deal and Dieng's contract... for cap relief purposes.
[Note: That's not to say they won't have to eventually move on from Simmons. But for Teague and Dieng? No. Definitely... unequivocally... no.]
I don't understand your note. Are you saying that I said replace Simmons with Teague and Dieng? Because that's not what I said at all. I said trade a luxury in Harris for a need that gives them cap relief and a backup plan for games Embiid misses. They'd get much more for Simmons than what they can get for a maxed out Tobias Harris.
Yeah. I screwed that note up. My bad.
You're suggesting they trade Harris for a backup PG, a backup PF Dieng... and cap relief at the beginning of a season where they have championship aspirations. Right?
khans2k5 wrote:I don't know if it's possible under the cap, but Philly needs a real PG on that team and Tobias is a luxury piece they can't really utilize. I'd be interested if we could swap Teague and Dieng for Tobias giving us another offensive weapon and shooter and a guy that can take some small ball 4 responsibility's off Covington. Or maybe long-term it's a 3 team deal with GS where Russell comes here, Tobias to GS and Teague and pieces to Philly. We should be offloading Teague this year if we can to get something back since he's not in the long term plans. Just thinking out loud.
They do?
Philadelphia is 7 - 3... and 6 - 0 when Embiid and Simmons play together. The team's massive size is in part a big reason they're one of the top two teams (according to most) in the East.
Tobias Harris is a 17 / 8 / 3 / 48% guy right now.
The 76ers are gunning for a title. Teague offers them next-to-nothing in that quest. Dieng offers them even less. Harris would be a huge loss.
Have you looked at their schedule? They're 2-3 against teams with winning records and 5-0 against losers. Simmons still won't shoot the ball. It's still a problem. So yes they could use a PG and some cap relief in the process.
We disagree.
They lost to Phoenix on the road by 5 without Embiid.
They lost to Utah on the road by 2 with Simmons getting injured.
They lost to Denver on the road by 3 without Simmons.
I'd give them a bit more time in their championship run before they completely dismantle their strategy by bringing in injury-prone, undersized and underwhelming Jeff Teague on his expiring deal and Dieng's contract... for cap relief purposes.
[Note: That's not to say they won't have to eventually move on from Simmons. But for Teague and Dieng? No. Definitely... unequivocally... no.]
I don't understand your note. Are you saying that I said replace Simmons with Teague and Dieng? Because that's not what I said at all. I said trade a luxury in Harris for a need that gives them cap relief and a backup plan for games Embiid misses. They'd get much more for Simmons than what they can get for a maxed out Tobias Harris.
Yeah. I screwed that note up. My bad.
You're suggesting they trade Harris for a backup PG, a backup PF Dieng... and cap relief at the beginning of a season where they have championship aspirations. Right?
Teague is a starting PG who can spot up shoot 3's and actually run a pick and roll. He's been on high level winning teams before as an important piece. I'm not sure why you hate Teague so much. He was tied for 3rd in the NBA at 8.2 assists per game last year. He's a starting PG and they literally don't have a PG on that roster. Simmons is a point forward. That doesn't make him a point guard who can effectively run a PnR. So a better fitting starter that fills a need and a backup big when they have a fragile C for Harris on a max contract seems like fair value to me. Sorry you can't see the value our players actually have. Calling Teague a backup PG is a bad take IMO. And Harris can't be traded until January because of the extension so I'm not sure why you are treating this as a move to be made right now.
khans2k5 wrote:I don't know if it's possible under the cap, but Philly needs a real PG on that team and Tobias is a luxury piece they can't really utilize. I'd be interested if we could swap Teague and Dieng for Tobias giving us another offensive weapon and shooter and a guy that can take some small ball 4 responsibility's off Covington. Or maybe long-term it's a 3 team deal with GS where Russell comes here, Tobias to GS and Teague and pieces to Philly. We should be offloading Teague this year if we can to get something back since he's not in the long term plans. Just thinking out loud.
They do?
Philadelphia is 7 - 3... and 6 - 0 when Embiid and Simmons play together. The team's massive size is in part a big reason they're one of the top two teams (according to most) in the East.
Tobias Harris is a 17 / 8 / 3 / 48% guy right now.
The 76ers are gunning for a title. Teague offers them next-to-nothing in that quest. Dieng offers them even less. Harris would be a huge loss.
Have you looked at their schedule? They're 2-3 against teams with winning records and 5-0 against losers. Simmons still won't shoot the ball. It's still a problem. So yes they could use a PG and some cap relief in the process.
We disagree.
They lost to Phoenix on the road by 5 without Embiid.
They lost to Utah on the road by 2 with Simmons getting injured.
They lost to Denver on the road by 3 without Simmons.
I'd give them a bit more time in their championship run before they completely dismantle their strategy by bringing in injury-prone, undersized and underwhelming Jeff Teague on his expiring deal and Dieng's contract... for cap relief purposes.
[Note: That's not to say they won't have to eventually move on from Simmons. But for Teague and Dieng? No. Definitely... unequivocally... no.]
I don't understand your note. Are you saying that I said replace Simmons with Teague and Dieng? Because that's not what I said at all. I said trade a luxury in Harris for a need that gives them cap relief and a backup plan for games Embiid misses. They'd get much more for Simmons than what they can get for a maxed out Tobias Harris.
Yeah. I screwed that note up. My bad.
You're suggesting they trade Harris for a backup PG, a backup PF Dieng... and cap relief at the beginning of a season where they have championship aspirations. Right?
Teague is a starting PG who can spot up shoot 3's and actually run a pick and roll. He's been on high level winning teams before as an important piece. I'm not sure why you hate Teague so much. He was tied for 3rd in the NBA at 8.2 assists per game last year. He's a starting PG and they literally don't have a PG on that roster. Simmons is a point forward. That doesn't make him a point guard who can effectively run a PnR. So a better fitting starter that fills a need and a backup big when they have a fragile C for Harris on a max contract seems like fair value to me. Sorry you can't see the value our players actually have. Calling Teague a backup PG is a bad take IMO. And Harris can't be traded until January because of the extension so I'm not sure why you are treating this as a move to be made right now.
We're missing each other in the margins.
I don't hate Teague "so much." I've lamented his over-dribbling and passivity at times, but I'm definitely not in the "hate Teague" camp.
My point is that Philadelphia is a top-two team in the East as is. Teague is such a drastic drop-off defensively for the 76ers... as much for his lack of size than anything else... that I don't see him cracking the starting lineup for THAT team.
I'm saying:
Embiid
Harris
Richardson
Simmons (PG)
Horford
... is significantly better than
Embiid
Simmons
Richardson
Teague
Horford
In addition... Harris could fetch significantly more on the market than a suddenly injury-prone PG in a contract year and an overpriced backup PF who is struggling to find court-time.
khans2k5 wrote:I don't know if it's possible under the cap, but Philly needs a real PG on that team and Tobias is a luxury piece they can't really utilize. I'd be interested if we could swap Teague and Dieng for Tobias giving us another offensive weapon and shooter and a guy that can take some small ball 4 responsibility's off Covington. Or maybe long-term it's a 3 team deal with GS where Russell comes here, Tobias to GS and Teague and pieces to Philly. We should be offloading Teague this year if we can to get something back since he's not in the long term plans. Just thinking out loud.
They do?
Philadelphia is 7 - 3... and 6 - 0 when Embiid and Simmons play together. The team's massive size is in part a big reason they're one of the top two teams (according to most) in the East.
Tobias Harris is a 17 / 8 / 3 / 48% guy right now.
The 76ers are gunning for a title. Teague offers them next-to-nothing in that quest. Dieng offers them even less. Harris would be a huge loss.
Have you looked at their schedule? They're 2-3 against teams with winning records and 5-0 against losers. Simmons still won't shoot the ball. It's still a problem. So yes they could use a PG and some cap relief in the process.
We disagree.
They lost to Phoenix on the road by 5 without Embiid.
They lost to Utah on the road by 2 with Simmons getting injured.
They lost to Denver on the road by 3 without Simmons.
I'd give them a bit more time in their championship run before they completely dismantle their strategy by bringing in injury-prone, undersized and underwhelming Jeff Teague on his expiring deal and Dieng's contract... for cap relief purposes.
[Note: That's not to say they won't have to eventually move on from Simmons. But for Teague and Dieng? No. Definitely... unequivocally... no.]
I don't understand your note. Are you saying that I said replace Simmons with Teague and Dieng? Because that's not what I said at all. I said trade a luxury in Harris for a need that gives them cap relief and a backup plan for games Embiid misses. They'd get much more for Simmons than what they can get for a maxed out Tobias Harris.
Yeah. I screwed that note up. My bad.
You're suggesting they trade Harris for a backup PG, a backup PF Dieng... and cap relief at the beginning of a season where they have championship aspirations. Right?
Teague is a starting PG who can spot up shoot 3's and actually run a pick and roll. He's been on high level winning teams before as an important piece. I'm not sure why you hate Teague so much. He was tied for 3rd in the NBA at 8.2 assists per game last year. He's a starting PG and they literally don't have a PG on that roster. Simmons is a point forward. That doesn't make him a point guard who can effectively run a PnR. So a better fitting starter that fills a need and a backup big when they have a fragile C for Harris on a max contract seems like fair value to me. Sorry you can't see the value our players actually have. Calling Teague a backup PG is a bad take IMO. And Harris can't be traded until January because of the extension so I'm not sure why you are treating this as a move to be made right now.
We're missing each other in the margins.
I don't hate Teague "so much." I've lamented his over-dribbling and passivity at times, but I'm definitely not in the "hate Teague" camp.
My point is that Philadelphia is a top-two team in the East as is. Teague is such a drastic drop-off defensively for the 76ers... as much for his lack of size than anything else... that I don't see him cracking the starting lineup for THAT team.
I'm saying:
Embiid
Harris
Richardson
Simmons (PG)
Horford
... is significantly better than
Embiid
Simmons
Richardson
Teague
Horford
In addition... Harris could fetch significantly more on the market than a suddenly injury-prone PG in a contract year and an overpriced backup PF who is struggling to find court-time.
A team with Josh Richardson, Ben Simmons, Al Horford and Joel freaking Embiid could have any PG in the league and they would be just fine defensively. That defensive drop off comment is laughable to me. Meanwhile the lineup with Harris has 1 playmaking creator on it. If Simmons goes down they literally have nobody to run the offense.
Speaking of Josh Richardson, it's kind of wild to think about how he was being talked about by some just a year ago. All-Star potential was discussed -- now he's firmly entrenched as a super utility guy where he belongs. Funny how things change.
Camden0916 wrote:Speaking of Josh Richardson, it's kind of wild to think about how he was being talked about by some just a year ago. All-Star potential was discussed -- now he's firmly entrenched as a super utility guy where he belongs. Funny how things change.
Seemed to be Riley trying to fleece the Wolves in a moment of weakness. It was working too. He seemed to have a lot of media pumping up Josh too, and all credit to him it finally got him Jimmy.
khans2k5 wrote:I don't know if it's possible under the cap, but Philly needs a real PG on that team and Tobias is a luxury piece they can't really utilize. I'd be interested if we could swap Teague and Dieng for Tobias giving us another offensive weapon and shooter and a guy that can take some small ball 4 responsibility's off Covington. Or maybe long-term it's a 3 team deal with GS where Russell comes here, Tobias to GS and Teague and pieces to Philly. We should be offloading Teague this year if we can to get something back since he's not in the long term plans. Just thinking out loud.
They do?
Philadelphia is 7 - 3... and 6 - 0 when Embiid and Simmons play together. The team's massive size is in part a big reason they're one of the top two teams (according to most) in the East.
Tobias Harris is a 17 / 8 / 3 / 48% guy right now.
The 76ers are gunning for a title. Teague offers them next-to-nothing in that quest. Dieng offers them even less. Harris would be a huge loss.
Have you looked at their schedule? They're 2-3 against teams with winning records and 5-0 against losers. Simmons still won't shoot the ball. It's still a problem. So yes they could use a PG and some cap relief in the process.
We disagree.
They lost to Phoenix on the road by 5 without Embiid.
They lost to Utah on the road by 2 with Simmons getting injured.
They lost to Denver on the road by 3 without Simmons.
I'd give them a bit more time in their championship run before they completely dismantle their strategy by bringing in injury-prone, undersized and underwhelming Jeff Teague on his expiring deal and Dieng's contract... for cap relief purposes.
[Note: That's not to say they won't have to eventually move on from Simmons. But for Teague and Dieng? No. Definitely... unequivocally... no.]
I don't understand your note. Are you saying that I said replace Simmons with Teague and Dieng? Because that's not what I said at all. I said trade a luxury in Harris for a need that gives them cap relief and a backup plan for games Embiid misses. They'd get much more for Simmons than what they can get for a maxed out Tobias Harris.
Yeah. I screwed that note up. My bad.
You're suggesting they trade Harris for a backup PG, a backup PF Dieng... and cap relief at the beginning of a season where they have championship aspirations. Right?
Teague is a starting PG who can spot up shoot 3's and actually run a pick and roll. He's been on high level winning teams before as an important piece. I'm not sure why you hate Teague so much. He was tied for 3rd in the NBA at 8.2 assists per game last year. He's a starting PG and they literally don't have a PG on that roster. Simmons is a point forward. That doesn't make him a point guard who can effectively run a PnR. So a better fitting starter that fills a need and a backup big when they have a fragile C for Harris on a max contract seems like fair value to me. Sorry you can't see the value our players actually have. Calling Teague a backup PG is a bad take IMO. And Harris can't be traded until January because of the extension so I'm not sure why you are treating this as a move to be made right now.
We're missing each other in the margins.
I don't hate Teague "so much." I've lamented his over-dribbling and passivity at times, but I'm definitely not in the "hate Teague" camp.
My point is that Philadelphia is a top-two team in the East as is. Teague is such a drastic drop-off defensively for the 76ers... as much for his lack of size than anything else... that I don't see him cracking the starting lineup for THAT team.
I'm saying:
Embiid
Harris
Richardson
Simmons (PG)
Horford
... is significantly better than
Embiid
Simmons
Richardson
Teague
Horford
In addition... Harris could fetch significantly more on the market than a suddenly injury-prone PG in a contract year and an overpriced backup PF who is struggling to find court-time.
A team with Josh Richardson, Ben Simmons, Al Horford and Joel freaking Embiid could have any PG in the league and they would be just fine defensively. That defensive drop off comment is laughable to me. Meanwhile the lineup with Harris has 1 playmaking creator on it. If Simmons goes down they literally have nobody to run the offense.
Teague and Dieng for Harris is simply laughable.
FWIW Simmons is a PG as the guy is a pretty good playmaker who happens to be like 6'10" or whatever.
Melo signs with the Blazers. I still think the guy could help the right team in the right role as a scorer off the bench. I'm sorta pulling for the guy to make it work.
Add Anfernee Simons to the trade watch. Blazers are hurting at their frontcourt positions after free agent departures and injuries, and he's their best trade chip outside of Damian Lillard and C.J. McCollum, neither of which are likely to go anywhere.
There's a lot of teams in the league that could, or should, have interest in a 20-year old combo guard that can score the rock efficiently. What a team would be willing to give up in order to get him is the bigger question.
monsterpile wrote:Melo signs with the Blazers. I still think the guy could help the right team in the right role as a scorer off the bench. I'm sorta pulling for the guy to make it work.
Meh. I feel like he's had multiple chances to be humble along the way... but chose the selfish route every time.
So... meh. I'm not feeling the redemption tour yet.
