CoolBreeze44 wrote:lipoli390 wrote:Hard to find anything good about yet another embarrassing loss tonight. But I'll try. Our bench overall wasn't bad. Dunn looked pretty good on both ends. Bazz also looked good on the offensive end. And I like that Zach was aggressive, attacking the basket and getting to the line 7 times. I still think he may end up a better overall player than Wiggins for several reasons. First, he seems mentally tougher than Wiggins. Second, he's a naturally better shooter. Third he's a much better (more natural) ball-handler. Note that he had significantly fewer college minutes than Wiggins and fewer NBA minutes his first two seasons.
KAT and Wiggins both shot terribly and were bad defensively as well. But at least KAT pulled down 11 boards with 3 assists, a steal and 2 blocks. While shooting a pathetic 2-19, Wiggins had zero rebounds, zero assists and zero blocks. With his length and athleticism that is positively disguisting. Even worse that it was his 3rd pathetic performance in a row. Just when I was coming starting to revise my initial assessment of Wiggins and believe in him, he has reminded me why many of us have doubted him. And it reminds me of KG's comment to a former NBA player that Wiggins "has no heart." I can understand a shooting slump, although all-stars don't have the sort of extended slump he's having now. What I can't understand or accept is the lack of any contribution from him in any other area. It's astounding giving his incredible physical gifts.
Overall, I'm disgusted by this team from the coaching staff on down. And I don't foresee a good trade for us this season. In fact, it would be silly to attempt a major trade because we wouldn't be dealing from a position of strength. Other teams would know we're desperate. So it's up to the coaching staff to get a lot more out of what we have this season. If not, we'll have another lottery pick and can hopefully make something of it next summer.
You waffle more than Eggo himself. Less than a week ago you were saying Wiggins was heading for superstardom. And if you're going to wait until we are in a position of strength to make a trade, you're going to be waiting an awful long time. As long as your going to sling arrows at certain players, how about the guy who you think is being underutilized, Ricky? Yeah, great idea to want to have the ball in his hands more. What leadership we're getting from him!
Cool --
You really shouldn't get so defensive. Cool down (pun intended) and just engage in a discussion. Wiggins certainly looked like a budding superstar after that 35 point/10 rebound game. It just reminded us of how talented he is. But we now have 3 games in a row where he's showing the same sort of profound inconsistency and lack of engagement we saw from his far too often is first two seasons. So yes, I've returned to my initial take on Wiggins. If it makes you feel better to call me a waffler, then so be it.
As for Ricky, ok, he played poorly. Feel better now? Honestly, I've never considered him part of our long-term core and have said repeatedly that he is what he is. Statistically, he's been a positive force on this team consistently over the years when he's healthy and we are generally better off defensively when he runs the offense. I just don't know who we could get in a trade for him who would be better for us at that position although I'm definitely open the the possibility. I agree with Doper that Ricky's defense was bad last night. But as I've written many times consistently over the past year, this team will only go as far as Wiggins, KAT, LaVine and maybe Gorgui take them. So when Wiggins has a third anemic game in a row, shooting 2-19 with no rebounds, assists or blocks it draws my attention more than Ricky's bad game. Sorry that my observation made you so uncomfortable.
