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Camden0916 wrote:"Love and Martin for #6,1 future Brooklyn pick, Olynyk, Sullinger, Bass, and Bogans"

Worst trade package I've seen yet.

Agreed. Boston is a bad trade partner for us. No offense to brandon basshole poster here. But biston had nithing to offer us. 6th pick as the main piece wont cut it.

Its cool He will be here eventually trade or not mark my words

Camden wrote:"Love and Martin for #6,1 future Brooklyn pick, Olynyk, Sullinger, Bass, and Bogans"

Worst trade package I've seen yet. Two picks, three PFs for Love and Martin. Should we give them Rubio and Pek too? Damn. Let's throw in 13 while we're at it.

I'm not looking at just the immediate impact on our paper roster. Olynyk can backup Center when Pekovic gets hurt, no if about it. Klay Thompson and David Lee get us where exactly? Somewhere between the 10 and 8 seed?? Then if we resign Thompson and Rubio to big contracts we have little room to play with.

The Cleveland trade is far-fetched in my opinion. If they do that trade and things don't go as planned next year then Love leaves and Irving does his best to get out. They have a lot more to risk than people consider.

4 first round picks (including Olynyk and Sullinger) is not a bad grab. Who knows maybe they offer #6,#17, and a future first.

Like I already stated, I realize we will likely be bad. A top 5 lottery team most likely. Which is what I want to see, and what I think our team needs. Flip is not Kahn, and I am confident he would/will draft basketball players.

worldK wrote:

Camden0916 wrote:"Love and Martin for #6,1 future Brooklyn pick, Olynyk, Sullinger, Bass, and Bogans"

Worst trade package I've seen yet.

Agreed. Boston is a bad trade partner for us. No offense to brandon basshole poster here. But biston had nithing to offer us. 6th pick as the main piece wont cut it.

Why are they such a bad trade partner? At least with a Boston trade we have a real shot at rebuilding into a contender. The GS trade allows us to miss the playoffs or be first round exits for the next 3-5 years, then we begin the rebuild process without Thompson, without Rubio, without Pekovic. The Cleveland trade would be the only option better than Boston (assuming we get #1, waiters, and T. Thompson) but I really do not see it happening for reasons stated above.

Camden wrote:"Love and Martin for #6,1 future Brooklyn pick, Olynyk, Sullinger, Bass, and Bogans"

Worst trade package I've seen yet. Two picks, three PFs for Love and Martin. Should we give them Rubio and Pek too? Damn. Let's throw in 13 while we're at it.

I don't really see the Martin attachment. He really doesn't fit here, especially without Love. He will just become the next player trying to push his way out of here. He came here to play with Love, not to try to contend without him like he's on the Kings again. Keep players who want to be here. Maybe you'd like to see Barea in place of Martin? Though i'd rather keep Barea for a shitty season as his contract expires after this next season, unlike martins who still has 3 years here.

You're giving away an All-NBA PF and a 19 PPG SG from last year for two 1sts and three PFs (none of which are franchise-changing). Do you realize how ugly that is?

Olynyk can backup center? Did you forget about Dieng? Olynyk would be a PF here, which is fine. Sullinger does absolutely nothing for me. 1 Brooklyn pick? Ouch.

It's just not a good deal for us. Only way to make Boston a good partner is to take No. 6, No. 17, both BRK picks, Olynyk, Bogans and Bass. If we're including Martin, then they're including Bradley's rights. Four 1sts, a young 20s SG and PF.

Rubio/MLE
Bradley/Stauskas or Harris
Brewer/Muhammad
Randle/Olynyk
Pekovic/Dieng

No. 17 + 2 BRK 1sts.

It's not ideal in my eyes, but any deal with Boston has to sweep them of all important draft picks.

Sometimes I think rabid fans, like us, tend to ignore the other team's position when we evaluate potential deals, and that tends to cloud our thinking. In the Love case, I think it leads to overvaluing the potential return we will get in a deal. I don't think we are giving enough weight to the risk to a potential trading partner of Love leaving a year after they give up significant assets in a deal. That's the kind of event that gets a GM fired, and GMs have a tendency to not want to get fired.

Let's evaluate the Love deal as if we were on the other side. Let's say we were the buyer for an elite player like Carmelo Anthony, who had one year left on his deal. Let's assume we had the top pick in the draft, and the Knicks proposed this deal:

Minnesota: Carmelo Anthony

Knicks: Kevin Martin, Pek, #1 pick

While it would be exciting to add a draw like Anthony, do you think Flip would make this deal...knowing the risk that Melo could walk in a year? Would you want Flip to make this deal? Fans might say "Oh, this deal is going to make us so good, there's no way Melo leaves after a year", but Flip (or any smart GM) needs to look at it differently. So many things can happen, like key injuries or the difficulty in fitting a new player into a system, that can alter the expected outcome. Compare the Nets results last year to their expectations after bringing in so many good players.

I think the risk of Love bolting after one year is way too high for a GM to give too much up in a deal. I'm still hoping for what many of you guys think is a given (#1 from Cleveland, multiple picks and Olynyk from Boston,etc), but still very, very skeptical.

After countless pages of online forums and Internet rumors, can we all just agree that there really is no way the Wolves get ANYWHERES close to equal value for Love unless its a 3 or 4 team deal? No one thought Orlando could trade Dwight because the Lakers simply didn't have enough, but because other teams had pieces they wanted (hello Philly!) it all worked out. Same applies here.

GSW: best players, but cap hell for the next 2-3 years
BOS: picks, but literally no rotation players
DEN: "meh"
SAC: mix of pick and young talent (McLemore)
CHI: picks and players

Point is, referring back to the ATL/HOU/MIN deal, the only way we can come out of this situation with any real hope is if Flip the PBO (not Flip the Coach) has some real innovative strategies and can string together multiple teams.

mrhockey89 wrote:Hicks: You seem like a good contributor, but if you call Klay Thompson a marginal defender at best (or anything resembling that) then you're not watching very carefully. He's a very good defender, he has good size, is young and coming off a first contract unlike Love, and is an ideal 2 guard next to Rubio. In fact, I think Klay Thompson might be the most ideal shooting guard in the league to pair with Rubio. Kobe is a better player, but requires the ball in his hands, as an example, while Klay does not. (let me be clear with that I'm not comparing Klay to Kobe, I'm comparing the fit) There is no way anyone could make a solid argument that Klay is Martin 2.0. If that were true, the Warriors wouldn't have flinched on adding him from the beginning, and it wouldn't be the key piece to the trade. I've always been a Kevin Martin fan, but noone has ever denied that he's a sieve on defense. Him and Klay are night and day in that comparison.

Hey hockey, couple things here. I guess when I watch GS, Klay never stands out to me as a defensive player. He may play decent man defense, and I just haven't noticed, but he is not disruptive as great defenders are. And I would agree that as a SHOOTER, Klay is perfect for this team....as he would be for any team in the NBA. But we all know there is a lot more to contributing than simply shooting the basketball. Even shooting the ball, he was virtually identical to Afflalo this past year, and I know noone thinks Afflalo is the permanent fix the Wolves need. He is obviously a great shooter, but it is virtually every other contributing facet of his game that makes me yawn. As a SG, he rates the following: FT attempts - 28th; assists - 30th; rebounding - 25th; steals - 23rd. This means that if he isn't shooting well, he contributes absolutely nothing else to the offensive end. This doesn't concern anyone? Again, he is a great 3rd wheel as a pure scorer, but he can't be a teams number 1 or 2 primary player, which he becomes for the Wolves. I would have no issues if we could get him for 3-4 years on rookie deal, but the fact that we have to pay him a ton after next season, which limits our ability to put the necessary pieces around him to make the team successful, gives me pause.