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Camden wrote:

thedoper wrote:

Camden wrote:

thedoper wrote:

Camden wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:Would there be any realistic way Rubio was traded? I am thinking of the teams trying to make the playoffs the Jazz would have a need for PG in the worst way.

MAybe
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zlpr36h

I'd rather get Exum from them which would probably help their playoff chances more this year to keep Burke and still get Ricky. But Ricky's not getting traded mid-season.

This works too.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gwqaptb

I thought about Exum. Big concerns to me about him being a bust, but if he is not. Wow that would be a crazy young team we would have if he lived up to his pre-draft hype.

I would do this trade in a heartbeat. Not sure the Jazz do though. From what I've read they are unwilling to trade major assets this year and are still focused on rebuilding. They want a stop gap PG. That being said Rubio is around the same age as Gordon and Favors and would greatly improve their core.

That is a really dumb trade idea. We might as well throw in KAT and Wiggins too.

Not really. Ricky's inability to score efficiently and stay healthy hurt the team overall. Exum and Lyles offer great upside to grow with our young core.

Ricky is one of the top point guards. He has the greatest positive impact on the team right now. There's a recent he consistently leads the team every year in plus minus stats. You are way too hung up on scoring. We got a top point guard at a bargain salary. He compliments KAT and Wiggins perfectly and he's only 24.

If he's the perfect complement, why have we been so fucking bad for most of this year? Seriously the plus/minus shit has to stop because that literally means nothing on bad teams. Ricky is not one of the top PG's because all the top PG's have been helping their teams win more games than we have this year. That's what good players do. They win you games. They don't plus/minus your brains out in losses.

...because we give three 20-year olds a ton of minutes, and as you have previously mentioned before, we have two players that are in their prime in Rubio and Dieng. We just don't have enough decent veteran players that are in their prime. Here we go with the "Rubio's supposed to win games and change the franchise" bullshit again. That's never going to be him. He's not being talked about as a superstar player so why are people criticizing him as one?

People are critizing an important part of his game (shooting) that is one of the worst in the league. No one is asking for superstar performance. Just shooting fitting of an NBA player. I believe even this would garner more wins. This isn't rocket science.

Apparently it is fucking rocket science. We talk about Rubio's scoring ability like that's what defines him as a player. Doing this completely ignores the elite abilities he does have. Sure, if Rubio could score, he'd be the best point guard in basketball. He can't. And yet, somehow he's still a good basketball player that contributes positively. And I'll say it again, Rubio's not the guy that wins games by himself. He's never been that guy.

Even if he never improved his scoring per game or efficiency, I think you can win with him. You're just going to need scoring from other places. That's what we hope to have with Towns, Wiggins and LaVine. So, what the fuck is the problem?

The problem is he holds the ball most of the time. You erase the effectiveness of ball movement when the person holding the ball the longest can't shoot.

Funny, I didn't know if you were talking about Rubio or Wiggins here.

thedoper wrote:

Camden wrote:

thedoper wrote:

Camden wrote:

thedoper wrote:

Camden wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:Would there be any realistic way Rubio was traded? I am thinking of the teams trying to make the playoffs the Jazz would have a need for PG in the worst way.

MAybe
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zlpr36h

I'd rather get Exum from them which would probably help their playoff chances more this year to keep Burke and still get Ricky. But Ricky's not getting traded mid-season.

This works too.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gwqaptb

I thought about Exum. Big concerns to me about him being a bust, but if he is not. Wow that would be a crazy young team we would have if he lived up to his pre-draft hype.

I would do this trade in a heartbeat. Not sure the Jazz do though. From what I've read they are unwilling to trade major assets this year and are still focused on rebuilding. They want a stop gap PG. That being said Rubio is around the same age as Gordon and Favors and would greatly improve their core.

That is a really dumb trade idea. We might as well throw in KAT and Wiggins too.

Not really. Ricky's inability to score efficiently and stay healthy hurt the team overall. Exum and Lyles offer great upside to grow with our young core.

Ricky is one of the top point guards. He has the greatest positive impact on the team right now. There's a recent he consistently leads the team every year in plus minus stats. You are way too hung up on scoring. We got a top point guard at a bargain salary. He compliments KAT and Wiggins perfectly and he's only 24.

If he's the perfect complement, why have we been so fucking bad for most of this year? Seriously the plus/minus shit has to stop because that literally means nothing on bad teams. Ricky is not one of the top PG's because all the top PG's have been helping their teams win more games than we have this year. That's what good players do. They win you games. They don't plus/minus your brains out in losses.

...because we give three 20-year olds a ton of minutes, and as you have previously mentioned before, we have two players that are in their prime in Rubio and Dieng. We just don't have enough decent veteran players that are in their prime. Here we go with the "Rubio's supposed to win games and change the franchise" bullshit again. That's never going to be him. He's not being talked about as a superstar player so why are people criticizing him as one?

People are critizing an important part of his game (shooting) that is one of the worst in the league. No one is asking for superstar performance. Just shooting fitting of an NBA player. I believe even this would garner more wins. This isn't rocket science.

Apparently it is fucking rocket science. We talk about Rubio's scoring ability like that's what defines him as a player. Doing this completely ignores the elite abilities he does have. Sure, if Rubio could score, he'd be the best point guard in basketball. He can't. And yet, somehow he's still a good basketball player that contributes positively. And I'll say it again, Rubio's not the guy that wins games by himself. He's never been that guy.

Even if he never improved his scoring per game or efficiency, I think you can win with him. You're just going to need scoring from other places. That's what we hope to have with Towns, Wiggins and LaVine. So, what the fuck is the problem?

The problem is he holds the ball most of the time. You erase the effectiveness of ball movement when the person holding the ball the longest can't shoot.

Funny, I didn't know if you were talking about Rubio or Wiggins here.

If Rubio could shoot as bad as Wiggins we might be 500.

Camden wrote:

thedoper wrote:

Camden wrote:

thedoper wrote:

Camden wrote:

thedoper wrote:

Camden wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:Would there be any realistic way Rubio was traded? I am thinking of the teams trying to make the playoffs the Jazz would have a need for PG in the worst way.

MAybe
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zlpr36h

I'd rather get Exum from them which would probably help their playoff chances more this year to keep Burke and still get Ricky. But Ricky's not getting traded mid-season.

This works too.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gwqaptb

I thought about Exum. Big concerns to me about him being a bust, but if he is not. Wow that would be a crazy young team we would have if he lived up to his pre-draft hype.

I would do this trade in a heartbeat. Not sure the Jazz do though. From what I've read they are unwilling to trade major assets this year and are still focused on rebuilding. They want a stop gap PG. That being said Rubio is around the same age as Gordon and Favors and would greatly improve their core.

That is a really dumb trade idea. We might as well throw in KAT and Wiggins too.

Not really. Ricky's inability to score efficiently and stay healthy hurt the team overall. Exum and Lyles offer great upside to grow with our young core.

Ricky is one of the top point guards. He has the greatest positive impact on the team right now. There's a recent he consistently leads the team every year in plus minus stats. You are way too hung up on scoring. We got a top point guard at a bargain salary. He compliments KAT and Wiggins perfectly and he's only 24.

If he's the perfect complement, why have we been so fucking bad for most of this year? Seriously the plus/minus shit has to stop because that literally means nothing on bad teams. Ricky is not one of the top PG's because all the top PG's have been helping their teams win more games than we have this year. That's what good players do. They win you games. They don't plus/minus your brains out in losses.

...because we give three 20-year olds a ton of minutes, and as you have previously mentioned before, we have two players that are in their prime in Rubio and Dieng. We just don't have enough decent veteran players that are in their prime. Here we go with the "Rubio's supposed to win games and change the franchise" bullshit again. That's never going to be him. He's not being talked about as a superstar player so why are people criticizing him as one?

People are critizing an important part of his game (shooting) that is one of the worst in the league. No one is asking for superstar performance. Just shooting fitting of an NBA player. I believe even this would garner more wins. This isn't rocket science.

Apparently it is fucking rocket science. We talk about Rubio's scoring ability like that's what defines him as a player. Doing this completely ignores the elite abilities he does have. Sure, if Rubio could score, he'd be the best point guard in basketball. He can't. And yet, somehow he's still a good basketball player that contributes positively. And I'll say it again, Rubio's not the guy that wins games by himself. He's never been that guy.

Even if he never improved his scoring per game or efficiency, I think you can win with him. You're just going to need scoring from other places. That's what we hope to have with Towns, Wiggins and LaVine. So, what the fuck is the problem?

The problem is he holds the ball most of the time. You erase the effectiveness of ball movement when the person holding the ball the longest can't shoot.

Funny, I didn't know if you were talking about Rubio or Wiggins here.

If Rubio could shoot as bad as Wiggins we might be 500.

Well, that's fucking nonsensical, but if that's what you believe then more power to you. Have fun in la la land.

thedoper wrote:

Camden wrote:

thedoper wrote:

Camden wrote:

thedoper wrote:

Camden wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

TeamRicky wrote:

TRKO wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

bleedspeed177 wrote:Would there be any realistic way Rubio was traded? I am thinking of the teams trying to make the playoffs the Jazz would have a need for PG in the worst way.

MAybe
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zlpr36h

I'd rather get Exum from them which would probably help their playoff chances more this year to keep Burke and still get Ricky. But Ricky's not getting traded mid-season.

This works too.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=gwqaptb

I thought about Exum. Big concerns to me about him being a bust, but if he is not. Wow that would be a crazy young team we would have if he lived up to his pre-draft hype.

I would do this trade in a heartbeat. Not sure the Jazz do though. From what I've read they are unwilling to trade major assets this year and are still focused on rebuilding. They want a stop gap PG. That being said Rubio is around the same age as Gordon and Favors and would greatly improve their core.

That is a really dumb trade idea. We might as well throw in KAT and Wiggins too.

Not really. Ricky's inability to score efficiently and stay healthy hurt the team overall. Exum and Lyles offer great upside to grow with our young core.

Ricky is one of the top point guards. He has the greatest positive impact on the team right now. There's a recent he consistently leads the team every year in plus minus stats. You are way too hung up on scoring. We got a top point guard at a bargain salary. He compliments KAT and Wiggins perfectly and he's only 24.

If he's the perfect complement, why have we been so fucking bad for most of this year? Seriously the plus/minus shit has to stop because that literally means nothing on bad teams. Ricky is not one of the top PG's because all the top PG's have been helping their teams win more games than we have this year. That's what good players do. They win you games. They don't plus/minus your brains out in losses.

...because we give three 20-year olds a ton of minutes, and as you have previously mentioned before, we have two players that are in their prime in Rubio and Dieng. We just don't have enough decent veteran players that are in their prime. Here we go with the "Rubio's supposed to win games and change the franchise" bullshit again. That's never going to be him. He's not being talked about as a superstar player so why are people criticizing him as one?

People are critizing an important part of his game (shooting) that is one of the worst in the league. No one is asking for superstar performance. Just shooting fitting of an NBA player. I believe even this would garner more wins. This isn't rocket science.

Apparently it is fucking rocket science. We talk about Rubio's scoring ability like that's what defines him as a player. Doing this completely ignores the elite abilities he does have. Sure, if Rubio could score, he'd be the best point guard in basketball. He can't. And yet, somehow he's still a good basketball player that contributes positively. And I'll say it again, Rubio's not the guy that wins games by himself. He's never been that guy.

Even if he never improved his scoring per game or efficiency, I think you can win with him. You're just going to need scoring from other places. That's what we hope to have with Towns, Wiggins and LaVine. So, what the fuck is the problem?

The problem is he holds the ball most of the time. You erase the effectiveness of ball movement when the person holding the ball the longest can't shoot.

Funny, I didn't know if you were talking about Rubio or Wiggins here.

If Rubio could shoot as bad as Wiggins we might be 500.

kekgeek1 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:Would anyone do a Bazz for McLemore swap? I know McLemore isn't great, but he's the kind of guy I could see developing into a good 3 and D player. We could use his shooting over Bazz's pure scoring ability. I'd be interested to see how he could do next to Ricky and Wiggins with the green light to jack up shots.

I would but not sure sac. Does it

thedoper wrote:
If Rubio could shoot as bad as Wiggins we might be 500.

lipoli390 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:
I wouldn't. McLemore looks like a guy who plays basketball because he can, not because he loves it. He's Wiggins with a LOT less talent and even less competitive zeal.

Zinger

bleedspeed177 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:
I wouldn't. McLemore looks like a guy who plays basketball because he can, not because he loves it. He's Wiggins with a LOT less talent and even less competitive zeal.

Zinger

So...I guess we should avoid Kansas players then.

bleedspeed177 wrote:I think backup PG might be the biggest need for this team in FA. I think we will have a hard time drafting that guy this year so I would address it via FA, but in the meantime keep giving Tyus Jones 10-18 minutes a night.