Re: 2024 Wolves Draft thread
Posted: Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:22 pm
I watched the national championship game and thought Edey looked like a far better prospect than Clingan. But I see Donovan consistently rated ahead of him, why is that?
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I saw it the opposite way. I thought Clingan was much more mobile and coordinated, which makes him more versatile defensively in the modern day NBA where Centers have to be able to guard in space and close out on shooters. Edey reminds me a bit of Roy Hibbert, who eventually got played out of the NBA once pace and space started to take off. He's just so slow and plodding. Not sure his soft touch in the post can make up for all his liabilities.Coolbreeze44 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:22 pm I watched the national championship game and thought Edey looked like a far better prospect than Clingan. But I see Donovan consistently rated ahead of him, why is that?
As you can see in my list I also have Kolek ranked above Simpson. What my list doesn’t show is that I see a pretty significant gap between Kolek and Simpson and I suspect NBA front offices do as well. Simpson could be available at 37 but we’ll probably have to trade up from 27 to get Kolek.Q-is-here wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:03 pmA little on the small side and only started shooting well this season. Not sure what changes he made last offseason to his shot, but they worked! I have Kolek ranked above him in terms of being an "ready now" backup PG.Lipoli390 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 12:53 pm The case for drafting KJ Simpson. Will he be available at 27? Highly likely. At 37? Maybe.
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He’s one of the guys on my list who could still be available at 27.Q-is-here wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 12:56 pmSeems like he has that classic scorer's mentality and can create his own shot. Love how high of a percentage he hit on his 2 pt shots. His 3's were OK-ish, but my guess a lot of those were highly contested, so he may be a lot better on open catch and shoot 3s.rapsuperstar31 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:13 am https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/557973 ... ards-2024/
Good stuff from the athletic, I'll just post what they said about Shannon.
Terrence Shannon Jr. | 6-6 SG/SF | 23 years old | Illinois
Western Conference executive No. 1: Initially, a nice rotational piece every night in the regular season. He’s going to get buckets. There’s going to be some nights where you scratch your head and say ‘Did he just shoot that?’ And then there’s going to be other nights when he goes for 25, 28, and you’re like, wow. He’s a man. He should be able to step in next year, because he can compete athletically, he can compete physically. And, when he wants to defend, he can. Offensively, he can go get it. I truly believe he will be, at this time next year, in the conversation for First Team All-Rookie. At worst, second team. In most cases, he will be drafted by a pretty good team. I think he’s going to be late teens at best, 20s and worst. And those are playoff teams. They have guys that know how to play. Their roles are already defined.
Is it going to take a while? Yes. But he knows the landscape of what’s in front of him. He is not a consistent defender. His role at Illinois the past two years has been, it’s fallen on his shoulders to do so much scoring, and creating offensively. But when he wanted to lock in, he can get into guys. He can get into people. Is he a Herb Jones? No. Herb is an every possession guy. Terrence, there’s going to be some times when there’s some mental lapses. But then usually, he’s going to make it up for you and will get it back with a steal three or four possessions later.
College assistant coach No. 6 (his team played Illinois): He is a good player. Really good player. He’s the best player in college that I saw last year driving the ball in transition. It’s like LeBron in his heyday — those Miami days where he would just drive the ball as hard as he could, and run right into you. That’s what Shannon did. We’d have two guys standing there, locked arms, and he would run right into you. He’s a decent 3-point shooter. I question his character a little. They say he’s a hard worker, though. He prides himself, (Illinois coach) Brad Underwood swears he’s one of the best defenders in the country. But he played us and he could not wait for somebody to come up and set a screen so he could switch. But the kid is fearless. He’s got an incredible, athletic body. And he can run. He is a very, very talented player.
College Assistant coach No. 3 (his team played Illinois): Love him. He’s one of the guys that, he has gotten better since he’s transferred to Illinois from Texas Tech. He’s definitely been in the gym working on his game. Tough, competitor. Shot has gotten a lot better. Competes on both ends. Very fast with the ball. What it will look like at the next level, I’m not sure. He has good positional size, and he’s just tough and he competes. He’s a better player than (Cam) Christie, and I think he’ll be a better pro than Christie as well. … He’s a little older. I liked him as a kid. I didn’t see him as being a guy that was a locker room guy. From what I know, teammates, (and) our guys got along with him. Inner city Chicago. Always a tough kid. I don’t think he had any underlying issues, if that makes sense. I don’t see him as being that type of kid.
Eastern Conference executive No 2: He’s a damn good defender. Shooting is a little sporadic, but it’s gotten better. You talk about tough, now. He’s tough as s—. If he goes to a certain team, I could see him starting next year. He could start for us, probably.
Eastern Conference executive No. 5: As early as late lottery (post-dismissal). His age (23) may be a factor for rebuilding teams.
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He was just found not guilty on a sexual assault charge, which may have been weighing a bit on his draft stock. My guess is he goes before we can snag him.
Nice perspective Lip. I have no background in law but I've always believed willingness to testify on your behalf is a pretty good indicator of innocence. I'm happy to know he did that and will be pulling for him going forward.Lipoli390 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 3:06 pmHe’s one of the guys on my list who could still be available at 27.Q-is-here wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 12:56 pmSeems like he has that classic scorer's mentality and can create his own shot. Love how high of a percentage he hit on his 2 pt shots. His 3's were OK-ish, but my guess a lot of those were highly contested, so he may be a lot better on open catch and shoot 3s.rapsuperstar31 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:13 am https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/557973 ... ards-2024/
Good stuff from the athletic, I'll just post what they said about Shannon.
Terrence Shannon Jr. | 6-6 SG/SF | 23 years old | Illinois
Western Conference executive No. 1: Initially, a nice rotational piece every night in the regular season. He’s going to get buckets. There’s going to be some nights where you scratch your head and say ‘Did he just shoot that?’ And then there’s going to be other nights when he goes for 25, 28, and you’re like, wow. He’s a man. He should be able to step in next year, because he can compete athletically, he can compete physically. And, when he wants to defend, he can. Offensively, he can go get it. I truly believe he will be, at this time next year, in the conversation for First Team All-Rookie. At worst, second team. In most cases, he will be drafted by a pretty good team. I think he’s going to be late teens at best, 20s and worst. And those are playoff teams. They have guys that know how to play. Their roles are already defined.
Is it going to take a while? Yes. But he knows the landscape of what’s in front of him. He is not a consistent defender. His role at Illinois the past two years has been, it’s fallen on his shoulders to do so much scoring, and creating offensively. But when he wanted to lock in, he can get into guys. He can get into people. Is he a Herb Jones? No. Herb is an every possession guy. Terrence, there’s going to be some times when there’s some mental lapses. But then usually, he’s going to make it up for you and will get it back with a steal three or four possessions later.
College assistant coach No. 6 (his team played Illinois): He is a good player. Really good player. He’s the best player in college that I saw last year driving the ball in transition. It’s like LeBron in his heyday — those Miami days where he would just drive the ball as hard as he could, and run right into you. That’s what Shannon did. We’d have two guys standing there, locked arms, and he would run right into you. He’s a decent 3-point shooter. I question his character a little. They say he’s a hard worker, though. He prides himself, (Illinois coach) Brad Underwood swears he’s one of the best defenders in the country. But he played us and he could not wait for somebody to come up and set a screen so he could switch. But the kid is fearless. He’s got an incredible, athletic body. And he can run. He is a very, very talented player.
College Assistant coach No. 3 (his team played Illinois): Love him. He’s one of the guys that, he has gotten better since he’s transferred to Illinois from Texas Tech. He’s definitely been in the gym working on his game. Tough, competitor. Shot has gotten a lot better. Competes on both ends. Very fast with the ball. What it will look like at the next level, I’m not sure. He has good positional size, and he’s just tough and he competes. He’s a better player than (Cam) Christie, and I think he’ll be a better pro than Christie as well. … He’s a little older. I liked him as a kid. I didn’t see him as being a guy that was a locker room guy. From what I know, teammates, (and) our guys got along with him. Inner city Chicago. Always a tough kid. I don’t think he had any underlying issues, if that makes sense. I don’t see him as being that type of kid.
Eastern Conference executive No 2: He’s a damn good defender. Shooting is a little sporadic, but it’s gotten better. You talk about tough, now. He’s tough as s—. If he goes to a certain team, I could see him starting next year. He could start for us, probably.
Eastern Conference executive No. 5: As early as late lottery (post-dismissal). His age (23) may be a factor for rebuilding teams.
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He was just found not guilty on a sexual assault charge, which may have been weighing a bit on his draft stock. My guess is he goes before we can snag him.
His draft stock will still probably suffer from the allegations in spite of the acquittal. From what I’ve read, the fact that he was charged was a travesty. There was no trace of Shannon’s DNA on the victim and nothing in Shannon’s background or character to suggest he’d do something like that. Moreover, he testified on his own behalf. As a former prosecutor in my early years as a lawyer, that’s a sign of innocence or desperation. Given the lack of DNA evidence and no other corroborating evidence, his decision to testify clearly wasn’t an act of desperation. Really lazy policy work based on what I’ve seen. The good news for Shannon is that he’ll be drafted by an NBA team and have the chance to live out his dream.
the irony is that he tested similarly to Clingan at the combine.Q-is-here wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 2:09 pmI saw it the opposite way. I thought Clingan was much more mobile and coordinated, which makes him more versatile defensively in the modern day NBA where Centers have to be able to guard in space and close out on shooters. Edey reminds me a bit of Roy Hibbert, who eventually got played out of the NBA once pace and space started to take off. He's just so slow and plodding. Not sure his soft touch in the post can make up for all his liabilities.Coolbreeze44 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 1:22 pm I watched the national championship game and thought Edey looked like a far better prospect than Clingan. But I see Donovan consistently rated ahead of him, why is that?
I agree with your stay-aways. I like KJ, but like you at 37 not 27. Among the five guys you like, Kolek and Scheierman are the two who interest me although I think we’ll have to trade up a few spots to get Kolek. I’m intrigued by Jaylon Tyson’s toughness but I hate to draft someone with a questionable perimeter shot. We’re loaded at the 5 so I wouldn’t use one of our precious few picks the remainder of this decade on another big unless he knocks our socks off. Djurisic is intriguing but any whispers of motor issues are a giant red flag that says STAY AWAY.WildWolf2813 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2024 9:30 pm Top 5 realistic picks for me at 27 (I'll be at the draft)
1. Baylor Scheierman. He rebounds and shoots threes. He checks off everything we need.
2. Jaylon Tyson- tough kid, big time scorer, and NAW's potential exit looms large, so address this early.
3. DaRon Holmes. Kinda like him as a small ball 5, change of pace guy. If the long term goal is to pay Naz Reid and make him a starter, Holmes and Miller give us 2 cracks at it and could be a good bench pair together.
4. Tyler Kolek- Not super excited about this but he's a shooter, upperclassman, plug and play guard for a team I hope is not disregarding the position.
5. Nikola Djurisic- kinda has a motor issue, BUT off talent alone he's really really good. That guy thinks he's gonna be awesome. Kinda reminds me a bit of McDaniels in terms of temperament.
Top 5 picks I don't want at 27.
1. Tyler Smith- super young, has upside and TC has an affinity for Ignite guys, but this guy is so far away defensively that I don't think it's ever coming
2. Ryan Dunn- might be the best defensive player in the class, but a 6'7'' Josh Okogie is still Josh Okogie. Offensively he sucks.
3. Johnny Furphy- I don't think he's ready to help us and won't be of help for a while.
4. KJ Simpson- talented guy and I might be open to it at 37, but man I don't know how this team's gonna find a PG successor. I know it's not him. I don't want him as anything more than a backup.
5. Kevin McCullar- older prospect. Not a great shooter. He's the kind of guy Glen Taylor used to like; okish players on great teams with pedigree.