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crazy-canuck wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:Would any team do this?

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine

6ers trade fultz, covington, saric, and bayless
6ers get jimmy, taj, and patton (or rose)

Fultz and simmons arent working and they need scoring badly.

Suns trade chandler
Suns get teague

They need a pg in the worst way.

Tyus/fultz/bayless
Wiggs/rose
Covington/okogie
Saric/tolliver
Kat/dieng/chandler

I don't think the sixers do the trade because they would be trading 2 of their top 2 shooters. Spacing has been a big problem for them this year and Taj adds no value to that. Also Jimmy eventhough he is a great player doesn't solve those problems.

If we trading with the sixers I want fultz, Covington and that 2021 unprecedented pick

Without fultz, reddick starts again.
Taj is an expiring and adds more defense.

Simmons
Reddick
Butler
Taj
Jojo

That's a strong starting unit.

The sixers need a wing who can create his own shot and butler fits the bill. But they are not trading 3/5 of their starters for jimmy. That is just not realistic.

I would do the trade in a heartbeat but the reality is the sixers wont. I can see them offering fultz+covington for butler or Fultz+chandler+pick for butler. Im higher on fultz than most so I would love to have him over josh richardson or the rockets's picks. Im all for trading teague as well. I just dont think teague have any chemistry with towns and wiggins on the court.

The wizards lockerroom is imploding with everyone pointing fingers at each other.

Porter for butler, lets get it done.

crazy-canuck wrote:The wizards lockerroom is imploding with everyone pointing fingers at each other.

Porter for butler, lets get it done.

Butler is just what an imploding team needs.

Cam asked earlier in this thread for more out-of-the-box thinking...well, here you go.

After watching KAT in the playoffs last season and in almost every game this year, I'm beginning to think that Butler is not the guy we should be trading...it's KAT. I loved him up until the playoffs last year, but I'm becoming more and more convinced he has no heart, and is not the right guy to have as the cornerstone of this franchise. KAT brings back more in a trade than Butler, and I'm confident Butler signs a long-term deal here if KAT is gone.

But the first step is to fire Thibs...today. If I'm Glen I fire Thibs today, and watch a few games to see how the team responds. Maybe the results are so good he decides to keep both Butler and KAT. Or maybe KAT returns to the pre-playoffs KAT, and Glen continues to look for the best deal for Butler. Or...maybe KAT continues to pout, short-arm shots and ask to be taken out after airballing a three, and Glen changes his focus on who should be traded (if he hasn't already).


Butler was awful last night, but he has been a much better player this season than KAT...much better. If KAT is the reason Butler wants to leave (and I think it is), he needs to be considered for trade. I'm tired of watching him play with less passion than Wiggins.

worldK wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:The wizards lockerroom is imploding with everyone pointing fingers at each other.

Porter for butler, lets get it done.

Butler is just what an imploding team needs.

Kelly Oubre JR is outplaying Porter. That should be a concern.

monsterpile wrote:

worldK wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:The wizards lockerroom is imploding with everyone pointing fingers at each other.

Porter for butler, lets get it done.

Butler is just what an imploding team needs.

Kelly Oubre JR is outplaying Porter. That should be a concern.

I've never been super high on Porter and so far this season Porter's numbers have been terrible. Beal would be the guy I'd want.

lipoli390 wrote:

monsterpile wrote:

worldK wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:The wizards lockerroom is imploding with everyone pointing fingers at each other.

Porter for butler, lets get it done.

Butler is just what an imploding team needs.

Kelly Oubre JR is outplaying Porter. That should be a concern.

I've never been super high on Porter and so far this season Porter's numbers have been terrible. Beal would be the guy I'd want.

Somthing is wrong with Porter...he's been awful this season. I'm no longer interested in him as a trade target.

longstrangetrip wrote:Cam asked earlier in this thread for more out-of-the-box thinking...well, here you go.

After watching KAT in the playoffs last season and in almost every game this year, I'm beginning to think that Butler is not the guy we should be trading...it's KAT. I loved him up until the playoffs last year, but I'm becoming more and more convinced he has no heart, and is not the right guy to have as the cornerstone of this franchise. KAT brings back more in a trade than Butler, and I'm confident Butler signs a long-term deal here if KAT is gone.

But the first step is to fire Thibs...today. If I'm Glen I fire Thibs today, and watch a few games to see how the team responds. Maybe the results are so good he decides to keep both Butler and KAT. Or maybe KAT returns to the pre-playoffs KAT, and Glen continues to look for the best deal for Butler. Or...maybe KAT continues to pout, short-arm shots and ask to be taken out after airballing a three, and Glen changes his focus on who should be traded (if he hasn't already).


Butler was awful last night, but he has been a much better player this season than KAT...much better. If KAT is the reason Butler wants to leave (and I think it is), he needs to be considered for trade. I'm tired of watching him play with less passion than Wiggins.

LST - I really think it's time for you to move on from Butler. You and Thibs. :). Seriously, Butler doesn't want to be here. We all know that. And I doubt his desire to leave is tied solely to KAT. Look at KAT's three-year track record before you start calling for him to be traded based on 4 games this season. Reading things that other players have said about Butler and talking to someone last night who knows him, Butler is a guy you might tolerate, but don't like being around or playing with.

And let's think back for a moment. In the year Sam Mitchell coached, the Wolves were 15-15 their last 30 games, including some impressive wins against good teams like the road OT win over the Warriors who were striving to break the Bulls season-win total record. That's the team Thibodeau inherited. That team was centered around KAT, Wiggins and LaVine. Zach is gone, but KAT and Wiggins are still here and I believe they're the same people they were then. It would be beyond ridiculous to consider trading Towns without first giving him a full season under a coach other than Thibodeau. It's easy for us to tell a 23-year old to such it up and perform at his absolute top level. But if any of us were in a workplace with a boss like Thibodeau and a complete asshole co-worker going out of his say to publicly embarrass us, our performance just might suffer a bit - especially if we remember back to when we were only 23 years old.

Butler is an injury-prone jerk. He wants to leave and he WILL be gone if not this season certainly before next season. Moreover, until Thibodeau is replaced, this team and its individual players cannot be fairly or accurately assessed.

All I got to say with Porter is buy LOW!!! I'm a little surprised by Porter's slow start, but his body of work is too good to dismiss him. He's had a few nagging injuries in the past, so perhaps something is bothering him. The one nice thing about Porter is that he is not ball dependent and wouldn't clash with KAT and Wiggs getting most of the touches. He also is incredibly efficient, rebounds well, and plays good defense. Washington does have Oubre and so they might be willing to throw in some picks along with Porter.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybr9woh3

Jimmy and Dieng for Porter and J. Smith (one year deal) and 1st round pick

KG4Ever wrote:All I got to say with Porter is buy LOW!!! I'm a little surprised by Porter's slow start, but his body of work is too good to dismiss him. He's had a few nagging injuries in the past, so perhaps something is bothering him. The one nice thing about Porter is that he is not ball dependent and wouldn't clash with KAT and Wiggs getting most of the touches. He also is incredibly efficient, rebounds well, and plays good defense. Washington does have Oubre and so they might be willing to throw in some picks along with Porter.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ybr9woh3

Jimmy and Dieng for Porter and J. Smith (one year deal) and 1st round pick

At least you're consistent, KG4. We have people on this board who want to trade KAT because of his poor start this season, but are eager to trade for Porter in spite of his terrible start.

I just don't think Porter is the best fit here. I think we need a true ball-handling wing because that's not Wiggins forte.