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Re: Jimmy Butler Trade Ideas
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:35 am
by kekgeek
BizarroJerry wrote:crazy-canuck wrote:BizarroJerry wrote:4 1st round picks for Jimmy from Houston was the offer yes?
Yes, but had to take a bad contract and no one knows the protection on those picks.
Understood. But it's still 4. They would be low picks yes but they would be great trade tools later on. I know i said no poo poo platter, but this is a great deal imo.
The trade can't happen until Nov. 1st even if we want to accept it
Re: Jimmy Butler Trade Ideas
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:44 am
by Wolvesfan21
The trade makes sense to me it just depends on the protections or offer up Eric Gordon with more protection on the picks. Basically we'd be gambling on Houston blowing up sooner rather then later. The trade probably sucks if they all end up being late 1sts, but if some end up in the lottery area we'd win it.
Re: Jimmy Butler Trade Ideas
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:43 pm
by khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]
longstrangetrip wrote:I hear everyone's arguments about how KAT's pouting might be justified, but I'm sorry...I'm just not sympathetic at all. I'm all right with him being angry with Butler (assuming the gossip is true, and only Butler and the GF know for sure), but a true warrior channels that anger and plays harder rather than turning into a snowflake. It really makes me wonder what else in the future might put KAT in pout mode, and that just isn't the definition of a warrior...and I want to build this team around warriors. Jim Peterson is generally a homer, and you can feel the disgust he has for KAT right now. "If KAT's going to play soft like that, you might as well put in Gorgui". Those words are quite telling to me, and you don't hear him criticizing Butler.
But again, no moves until the real problem is taken care of...Thibs. I'm fairly confident that the real character of KAT and Butler will be revealed when Thibs is thankfully replaced. Only then can the Wolves make a move that I will feel comfortable with.
^^
I want a guy who's gonna tell Thibs and Jimmy to go fuck themselves and dominate out there taking this team from them. Rather than pout or sand bag it until they are gone, dominate, show you can be the cornerstone and then flex on them by getting Thibs fired and Jimmy traded. The best players have that power because they earned it on the court. LeBron the GM and coach is very real. AD can tell NO to do whatever he wants and they're gonna do it. KAT could have that power, but instead he's crumbling into pieces when the going gets tough. Building a team around that is very worrisome.
Re: Jimmy Butler Trade Ideas
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:56 pm
by KG4Ever
khans2k5 wrote:longstrangetrip wrote:I hear everyone's arguments about how KAT's pouting might be justified, but I'm sorry...I'm just not sympathetic at all. I'm all right with him being angry with Butler (assuming the gossip is true, and only Butler and the GF know for sure), but a true warrior channels that anger and plays harder rather than turning into a snowflake. It really makes me wonder what else in the future might put KAT in pout mode, and that just isn't the definition of a warrior...and I want to build this team around warriors. Jim Peterson is generally a homer, and you can feel the disgust he has for KAT right now. "If KAT's going to play soft like that, you might as well put in Gorgui". Those words are quite telling to me, and you don't hear him criticizing Butler.
But again, no moves until the real problem is taken care of...Thibs. I'm fairly confident that the real character of KAT and Butler will be revealed when Thibs is thankfully replaced. Only then can the Wolves make a move that I will feel comfortable with.
^^
I want a guy who's gonna tell Thibs and Jimmy to go fuck themselves and dominate out there taking this team from them. Rather than pout or sand bag it until they are gone, dominate, show you can be the cornerstone and then flex on them by getting Thibs fired and Jimmy traded. The best players have that power because they earned it on the court. LeBron the GM and coach is very real. AD can tell NO to do whatever he wants and they're gonna do it. KAT could have that power, but instead he's crumbling into pieces when the going gets tough. Building a team around that is very worrisome.
This pouting narrative is nonsense. You are buying into the narrative that Jimmy wants you to believe. KAT should do all he can to get Thibs fired and Jimmy's ass gone. KAT is the man and he's telling them to get fucked. I'm respecting KAT more and more.
Re: Jimmy Butler Trade Ideas
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 12:59 pm
by Monster
FWIW Windhorst was on Woj's pod and they both agreed that they think Glen wants to win some games now. I don't have insider info or anything but I don't doubt that. I'd guess Glen and Thibs both want to win on some level this year. I think they may differ somewhat on how to get there but I think they both have somewhat the same goal. I'd guess neither of them are gonna be super interested in doing a deal where the return is basically of a bunch of future picks that also may or may not amount to a whole lot down the road.
Re: Jimmy Butler Trade Ideas
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:01 pm
by KG4Ever
monsterpile wrote:FWIW Windhorst was on Woj's pod and they both agreed that they think Glen wants to win some games now. I don't have insider info or anything but I don't doubt that. I'd guess Glen and Thibs both want to win on some level this year. I think they may differ somewhat on how to get there but I think they both have somewhat the same goal. I'd guess neither of them are gonna be super interested in doing a deal where the return is basically of a bunch of future picks that also may or may not amount to a whole lot down the road.
But the fanbase wants Thibs fired more than they want winning and they will continue to let Glen know this. I think and hope they get their wish soon.
Re: Jimmy Butler Trade Ideas
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:04 pm
by 60WinTim
KG4Ever wrote:monsterpile wrote:FWIW Windhorst was on Woj's pod and they both agreed that they think Glen wants to win some games now. I don't have insider info or anything but I don't doubt that. I'd guess Glen and Thibs both want to win on some level this year. I think they may differ somewhat on how to get there but I think they both have somewhat the same goal. I'd guess neither of them are gonna be super interested in doing a deal where the return is basically of a bunch of future picks that also may or may not amount to a whole lot down the road.
But the fanbase wants Thibs fired more than they want winning and they will continue to let Glen know this. I think and hope they get their wish soon.
And what a sad statement that is... (not you personally, just that things have deteriorated so badly that seeing some asses canned is a higher priority than winning)
Re: Jimmy Butler Trade Ideas
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:09 pm
by KG4Ever
Lots of empty seats and booing at Jimmy and Thibs all season long has to get noticed by Glen. If this goes on much longer, Glen will have an increasingly larger target on his own back. KAT will be demanding a trade at some point unless Glen takes action. Its hilarious!
Re: Jimmy Butler Trade Ideas
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:10 pm
by Lipoli390
monsterpile wrote:FWIW Windhorst was on Woj's pod and they both agreed that they think Glen wants to win some games now. I don't have insider info or anything but I don't doubt that. I'd guess Glen and Thibs both want to win on some level this year. I think they may differ somewhat on how to get there but I think they both have somewhat the same goal. I'd guess neither of them are gonna be super interested in doing a deal where the return is basically of a bunch of future picks that also may or may not amount to a whole lot down the road.
Monster - I heard Woj say the same thing on NBA radio earlier today. It rings true. Glen is at the tail end of his tenure as owner and he definitely wants to win now. But he's also going to be responsive to the fan base and to his prospective local purchasers, one of whom is a minority owner who could be part of a group that buys the team. Those folks are looking at a substantial long-term investment if they by the team. So I don't think Glen's horizon is as purely shorter-term as Thib's.
At the end of the day, between Thibs and Glen, there is no way the Wolves will accept Houston's offer even if all 4 picks are unprotected - unless perhaps Eric Gordon is included and even then I doubt it. But Woj did say he thinks the Sixers might join the Butler sweepstakes. I see Miami, the Sixers and Wizards as the most likely landing spots for Butler in a trade.
Re: Jimmy Butler Trade Ideas
Posted: Sat Oct 27, 2018 1:12 pm
by Coolbreeze44
60WinTim wrote:KG4Ever wrote:monsterpile wrote:FWIW Windhorst was on Woj's pod and they both agreed that they think Glen wants to win some games now. I don't have insider info or anything but I don't doubt that. I'd guess Glen and Thibs both want to win on some level this year. I think they may differ somewhat on how to get there but I think they both have somewhat the same goal. I'd guess neither of them are gonna be super interested in doing a deal where the return is basically of a bunch of future picks that also may or may not amount to a whole lot down the road.
But the fanbase wants Thibs fired more than they want winning and they will continue to let Glen know this. I think and hope they get their wish soon.
And what a sad statement that is... (not you personally, just that things have deteriorated so badly that seeing some asses canned is a higher priority than winning)
It's not possible to win until some asses are canned.