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JasonIsDaMan wrote:

monsterpile wrote:Lip's passion about Eric Gordon is nearly in paralleled. :) If you read or listen to the reports about this Houston offer the Wolves supposedly didn't even do anything when they got it. Woj said the players involved to make it work was fluid. He also has said he thinks Gordon would have to be in the deal. There is no report of any type of counter offer. So it's not like the wolves are demanding Gordon in return basically it sounds like that wasn't enough. Woj on his podcast with Windhorst brought up and discussed a couple time in the last few years teams offered 4 first round picks and that didn't get it done.

Well, I've seen one guy's passion about Gordon in the other direction, so I wouldn't say unparalleled.

HOU is getting 36 wing minutes a game, so they are definitely going to want to trade wing minutes back. That's where MIA really hold an advantage. The wings they would trade are actually kind of good, or definitely not embarrassing.

Not that it really matters and I'm certainly not disagreeing with anything you are saying but i'll Just say that Gordon played over 30 mpg for a team that won 65 games last year. That seems "definitely not embarrassing" :)

monsterpile wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

monsterpile wrote:Lip's passion about Eric Gordon is nearly in paralleled. :) If you read or listen to the reports about this Houston offer the Wolves supposedly didn't even do anything when they got it. Woj said the players involved to make it work was fluid. He also has said he thinks Gordon would have to be in the deal. There is no report of any type of counter offer. So it's not like the wolves are demanding Gordon in return basically it sounds like that wasn't enough. Woj on his podcast with Windhorst brought up and discussed a couple time in the last few years teams offered 4 first round picks and that didn't get it done.

Well, I've seen one guy's passion about Gordon in the other direction, so I wouldn't say unparalleled.

HOU is getting 36 wing minutes a game, so they are definitely going to want to trade wing minutes back. That's where MIA really hold an advantage. The wings they would trade are actually kind of good, or definitely not embarrassing.

Not that it really matters and I'm certainly not disagreeing with anything you are saying but i'll Just say that Gordon played over 30 mpg for a team that won 65 games last year. That seems "definitely not embarrassing" :)

I stand by what Lip said, and I'd like to point out that he worse than either Richardson or Waiters and makes more per year than either of them.

The Cavs just fired Lue. Really? The Cavs were supposed to be good, or is he hoping Lue will now take out a payday loan?

Living in Phoenix, I had the opportunity to see Chriss and Knight (when healthy) play quite a bit and honestly, there is nothing appealing about either of them. Chriss made some highlight reel dunks, but the rest of his game is lacking and his effort level left a lot to be desired. Knight couldn't stay healthy and when he did play he didn't seem to offer much. The fact that the Suns, who are desperate for good young talent gave up on them should tell you everything you need to know. I would much rather have Eric Gordon than either of them.

MikeAz wrote:Living in Phoenix, I had the opportunity to see Chriss and Knight (when healthy) play quite a bit and honestly, there is nothing appealing about either of them. Chriss made some highlight reel dunks, but the rest of his game is lacking and his effort level left a lot to be desired. Knight couldn't stay healthy and when he did play he didn't seem to offer much. The fact that the Suns, who are desperate for good young talent gave up on them should tell you everything you need to know. I would much rather have Eric Gordon than either of them.

I like a deal where MIN sends Patton and HOU sends back Chriss for the simple fact that Chriss isn't made of paper mache'. At least that's the impression I get. Am I wrong?

Stay thirsty.

Gordon has more value to Houston than us. He'll be 30 in December. We need to get young talent. We don't demand Gordon in exchange for reduced protection on the picks. To me anything we take back will be a bad contract including Gordon and the shorter the better. Knight's contract is nearly the same amount and also two years just like Gordon's.
I hope this is a negotiating ploy, but I'm afraid we are kowtowing to Thibs.

KG4Ever wrote:Gordon has more value to Houston than us. He'll be 30 in December. We need to get young talent. We don't demand Gordon in exchange for reduced protection on the picks. To me anything we take back will be a bad contract including Gordon and the shorter the better. Knight's contract is nearly the same amount and also two years just like Gordon's.
I hope this is a negotiating ploy, but I'm afraid we are kowtowing to Thibs.

Here's the problem: Both teams are over the cap, so the salaries have to match, and it's not realistic that HOU would trade from their core. Gordon makes more sense than Knight. Maybe Gorden/Tucker (along with picks) would work for everyone involved. I like Wiggins and Okogie as starters, Tucker as first wing off the bench, Rose second wing off the bench, and Gordon just sitting there, better known as the majority of his career.

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

MikeAz wrote:Living in Phoenix, I had the opportunity to see Chriss and Knight (when healthy) play quite a bit and honestly, there is nothing appealing about either of them. Chriss made some highlight reel dunks, but the rest of his game is lacking and his effort level left a lot to be desired. Knight couldn't stay healthy and when he did play he didn't seem to offer much. The fact that the Suns, who are desperate for good young talent gave up on them should tell you everything you need to know. I would much rather have Eric Gordon than either of them.

I like a deal where MIN sends Patton and HOU sends back Chriss for the simple fact that Chriss isn't made of paper mache'. At least that's the impression I get. Am I wrong?

Stay thirsty.

Is anyone as brittle as Patton?

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:Gordon has more value to Houston than us. He'll be 30 in December. We need to get young talent. We don't demand Gordon in exchange for reduced protection on the picks. To me anything we take back will be a bad contract including Gordon and the shorter the better. Knight's contract is nearly the same amount and also two years just like Gordon's.
I hope this is a negotiating ploy, but I'm afraid we are kowtowing to Thibs.

Here's the problem: Both teams are over the cap, so the salaries have to match, and it's not realistic that HOU would trade from their core. Gordon makes more sense than Knight. Maybe Gorden/Tucker (along with picks) would work for everyone involved. I like Wiggins and Okogie as starters, Tucker as first wing off the bench, Rose second wing off the bench, and Gordon just sitting there, better known as the majority of his career.

Jason you just argued my point, but your conclusion is contrare, for some reason. The trade gets consummated in a few days since Knight and Chriss can't get traded til end of this month. Knight is better for us since presumably Houston values Gordon more so that they will give us reduced protection or hopefully none at all.

KG4Ever wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:Gordon has more value to Houston than us. He'll be 30 in December. We need to get young talent. We don't demand Gordon in exchange for reduced protection on the picks. To me anything we take back will be a bad contract including Gordon and the shorter the better. Knight's contract is nearly the same amount and also two years just like Gordon's.
I hope this is a negotiating ploy, but I'm afraid we are kowtowing to Thibs.

Here's the problem: Both teams are over the cap, so the salaries have to match, and it's not realistic that HOU would trade from their core. Gordon makes more sense than Knight. Maybe Gorden/Tucker (along with picks) would work for everyone involved. I like Wiggins and Okogie as starters, Tucker as first wing off the bench, Rose second wing off the bench, and Gordon just sitting there, better known as the majority of his career.

Jason you just argued my point, but your conclusion is contrare, for some reason. The trade gets consummated in a few days since Knight and Chriss can't get traded til end of this month. Knight is better for us since presumably Houston values Gordon more so that they will give us reduced protection or hopefully none at all.

The only reason I would want Gordan instead of Knight is that he can play wing minutes, and Knight would cause a real logjam at PG. I don't think MIN has to settle. They can just call MIA (or other teams if they enter the fray), tell them "This is the deal, can you top it?". My only investment in this whole thing is no protection on the picks from HOU. I am fully aware that any trade with HOU will result in lesser players/salaries coming back.

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

KG4Ever wrote:Gordon has more value to Houston than us. He'll be 30 in December. We need to get young talent. We don't demand Gordon in exchange for reduced protection on the picks. To me anything we take back will be a bad contract including Gordon and the shorter the better. Knight's contract is nearly the same amount and also two years just like Gordon's.
I hope this is a negotiating ploy, but I'm afraid we are kowtowing to Thibs.

Here's the problem: Both teams are over the cap, so the salaries have to match, and it's not realistic that HOU would trade from their core. Gordon makes more sense than Knight. Maybe Gorden/Tucker (along with picks) would work for everyone involved. I like Wiggins and Okogie as starters, Tucker as first wing off the bench, Rose second wing off the bench, and Gordon just sitting there, better known as the majority of his career.

Jason you just argued my point, but your conclusion is contrare, for some reason. The trade gets consummated in a few days since Knight and Chriss can't get traded til end of this month. Knight is better for us since presumably Houston values Gordon more so that they will give us reduced protection or hopefully none at all.

The only reason I would want Gordan instead of Knight is that he can play wing minutes, and Knight would cause a real logjam at PG. I don't think MIN has to settle. They can just call MIA (or other teams if they enter the fray), tell them "This is the deal, can you top it?". My only investment in this whole thing is no protection on the picks from HOU. I am fully aware that any trade with HOU will result in lesser players/salaries coming back.

Knight isn't really a PG and if he is playing it's tank mode. Remember this guy is coming off a torn ACL usually it's a struggle the first few months back so it's unlilley even if he could regain some of his game it won't he till next season. Regardless of contract the value a player brings on the court is order inmy mind.

Gordon
Waiters
Knight

I'll defer to the people that have seems Chriss play and they say he is not any good. My argument was that MAYBE there was something there. The upside of getting him over say Nene is that the Tockets could decline his option before the 10/31 and he would be an expiring. I tend to think the Rockets thought he MIGHT be something. The Suns got off a bad contract and added Anderson who has been a nice player that adds a ton of spacing and they clearly want to win some games.

I don't think Houston would move Tucker but if they did i'd be tempted to start his mugging butt next to Towns and see what happens.