Jimmy Butler Trade Ideas

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

As far as I'm concerned you can't bitch about our 3 pt shooting and be absolutely against an Eric Gordon trade. All that guy does is shoot volume 3's at a good clip. Nobody else in any of the trade proposals brings that to the table. So if you don't want Gordon that's fine, but stop bitching about the 3 pt shooting then. He'd fix it and bring 4 first round picks with him in the process. That's exactly what this team needs. And as we've seen with Okogie we have someone worth giving minutes to when Gordon misses some time for us.

[WildWolf2813]

As far as I'm concerned you can't bitch about our 3 pt shooting and be absolutely against an Eric Gordon trade. All that guy does is shoot volume 3's at a good clip. Nobody else in any of the trade proposals brings that to the table. So if you don't want Gordon that's fine, but stop bitching about the 3 pt shooting then. He'd fix it and bring 4 first round picks with him in the process. That's exactly what this team needs. And as we've seen with Okogie we have someone worth giving minutes to when Gordon misses some time for us.

The reason why I'd be against Eric Gordon is because I remember him dogging it and being hurt all the time when he was in New Orleans because he didn't wanna be there. I wouldn't imagine going from a Finals contender to... this would make him happy.

[kekgeek]

As far as I'm concerned you can't bitch about our 3 pt shooting and be absolutely against an Eric Gordon trade. All that guy does is shoot volume 3's at a good clip. Nobody else in any of the trade proposals brings that to the table. So if you don't want Gordon that's fine, but stop bitching about the 3 pt shooting then. He'd fix it and bring 4 first round picks with him in the process. That's exactly what this team needs. And as we've seen with Okogie we have someone worth giving minutes to when Gordon misses some time for us.

And we can flip him at the deadline for another asset

[JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]]

Gordon has more value to Houston than us. He'll be 30 in December. We need to get young talent. We don't demand Gordon in exchange for reduced protection on the picks. To me anything we take back will be a bad contract including Gordon and the shorter the better. Knight's contract is nearly the same amount and also two years just like Gordon's.
I hope this is a negotiating ploy, but I'm afraid we are kowtowing to Thibs.

Here's the problem: Both teams are over the cap, so the salaries have to match, and it's not realistic that HOU would trade from their core. Gordon makes more sense than Knight. Maybe Gorden/Tucker (along with picks) would work for everyone involved. I like Wiggins and Okogie as starters, Tucker as first wing off the bench, Rose second wing off the bench, and Gordon just sitting there, better known as the majority of his career.

Jason you just argued my point, but your conclusion is contrare, for some reason. The trade gets consummated in a few days since Knight and Chriss can't get traded til end of this month. Knight is better for us since presumably Houston values Gordon more so that they will give us reduced protection or hopefully none at all.

The only reason I would want Gordan instead of Knight is that he can play wing minutes, and Knight would cause a real logjam at PG. I don't think MIN has to settle. They can just call MIA (or other teams if they enter the fray), tell them "This is the deal, can you top it?". My only investment in this whole thing is no protection on the picks from HOU. I am fully aware that any trade with HOU will result in lesser players/salaries coming back.

Knight isn't really a PG and if he is playing it's tank mode. Remember this guy is coming off a torn ACL usually it's a struggle the first few months back so it's unlilley even if he could regain some of his game it won't he till next season. Regardless of contract the value a player brings on the court is order inmy mind.

Gordon
Waiters
Knight

I'll defer to the people that have seems Chriss play and they say he is not any good. My argument was that MAYBE there was something there. The upside of getting him over say Nene is that the Tockets could decline his option before the 10/31 and he would be an expiring. I tend to think the Rockets thought he MIGHT be something. The Suns got off a bad contract and added Anderson who has been a nice player that adds a ton of spacing and they clearly want to win some games.

I don't think Houston would move Tucker but if they did i'd be tempted to start his mugging butt next to Towns and see what happens.

I am looking at past years on 82games. They seem to have Knight as a PG, right or wrong. I do agree with your order. I like the idea of a Patton/Chriss swap because it gives the Wolves a non-injured player. Do I think HOU wants to move Tucker? No, but I don't think it's a deal breaker.

[JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]]

As far as I'm concerned you can't bitch about our 3 pt shooting and be absolutely against an Eric Gordon trade. All that guy does is shoot volume 3's at a good clip. Nobody else in any of the trade proposals brings that to the table. So if you don't want Gordon that's fine, but stop bitching about the 3 pt shooting then. He'd fix it and bring 4 first round picks with him in the process. That's exactly what this team needs. And as we've seen with Okogie we have someone worth giving minutes to when Gordon misses some time for us.

Calm down. Just because he took you to Red Lobster on your last date doesn't mean the rest of us have to act like he's good.

Never mind the durability issues. He's a career .375 3pt shooter (KAT: .389). The Wolves shot .350 last year and are shooting .357 this year. Not exactly going from Xavier McDaniel to Reggie Miller here.

Prediction: He ends up being a part of the trade. He gets almost no minutes behind Okogie and Rose until Feb, when Okogie hits the wall and the Wolves are showcasing him for a trade.

From there, who knows? Maybe he gets moved at the deadline. Maybe over the summer. Maybe he works over the summer to prepare for his walk year and shoots 40% from three for the SECOND TIME IN HIS CAREER. And then maybe he makes an honest boy out of you.

All this board is is "Bitching". Like you bitching about me bitching about Chuck Fletcher's historically-god-awful job running the Mild. Or the time you "bitched" about Terry Ryan and then listed a bunch of moves that Bill Smith had made. At least most of us Google the facts before we post it, unlike yourself. And anytime you're ready feel free to skateboard down to the SuperAmerica and hang out with the kids from your homeroom.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

As far as I'm concerned you can't bitch about our 3 pt shooting and be absolutely against an Eric Gordon trade. All that guy does is shoot volume 3's at a good clip. Nobody else in any of the trade proposals brings that to the table. So if you don't want Gordon that's fine, but stop bitching about the 3 pt shooting then. He'd fix it and bring 4 first round picks with him in the process. That's exactly what this team needs. And as we've seen with Okogie we have someone worth giving minutes to when Gordon misses some time for us.

Calm down. Just because he took you to Red Lobster on your last date doesn't mean the rest of us have to act like he's good.

Never mind the durability issues. He's a career .375 3pt shooter (KAT: .389). The Wolves shot .350 last year and are shooting .357 this year. Not exactly going from Xavier McDaniel to Reggie Miller here.

Prediction: He ends up being a part of the trade. He gets almost no minutes behind Okogie and Rose until Feb, when Okogie hits the wall and the Wolves are showcasing him for a trade.

From there, who knows? Maybe he gets moved at the deadline. Maybe over the summer. Maybe he works over the summer to prepare for his walk year and shoots 40% from three for the SECOND TIME IN HIS CAREER. And then maybe he makes an honest boy out of you.

All this board is is "Bitching". Like you bitching about me bitching about Chuck Fletcher's historically-god-awful job running the Mild. Or the time you "bitched" about Terry Ryan and then listed a bunch of moves that Bill Smith had made. At least most of us Google the facts before we post it, unlike yourself. And anytime you're ready feel free to skateboard down to the SuperAmerica and hang out with the kids from your homeroom.

37.5% with high volume would be the best 3pt shooter on the team. And yet he wouldn't start over a rookie who can't shoot and a backup PG playing SG. Yep. Sounds about right from you. Time for someone to get back on their meds. You seem to be posting a lot of nonsense lately.

[JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]]

As far as I'm concerned you can't bitch about our 3 pt shooting and be absolutely against an Eric Gordon trade. All that guy does is shoot volume 3's at a good clip. Nobody else in any of the trade proposals brings that to the table. So if you don't want Gordon that's fine, but stop bitching about the 3 pt shooting then. He'd fix it and bring 4 first round picks with him in the process. That's exactly what this team needs. And as we've seen with Okogie we have someone worth giving minutes to when Gordon misses some time for us.

Calm down. Just because he took you to Red Lobster on your last date doesn't mean the rest of us have to act like he's good.

Never mind the durability issues. He's a career .375 3pt shooter (KAT: .389). The Wolves shot .350 last year and are shooting .357 this year. Not exactly going from Xavier McDaniel to Reggie Miller here.

Prediction: He ends up being a part of the trade. He gets almost no minutes behind Okogie and Rose until Feb, when Okogie hits the wall and the Wolves are showcasing him for a trade.

From there, who knows? Maybe he gets moved at the deadline. Maybe over the summer. Maybe he works over the summer to prepare for his walk year and shoots 40% from three for the SECOND TIME IN HIS CAREER. And then maybe he makes an honest boy out of you.

All this board is is "Bitching". Like you bitching about me bitching about Chuck Fletcher's historically-god-awful job running the Mild. Or the time you "bitched" about Terry Ryan and then listed a bunch of moves that Bill Smith had made. At least most of us Google the facts before we post it, unlike yourself. And anytime you're ready feel free to skateboard down to the SuperAmerica and hang out with the kids from your homeroom.

37.5% with high volume would be the best 3pt shooter on the team. And yet he wouldn't start over a rookie who can't shoot and a backup PG playing SG. Yep. Sounds about right from you. Time for someone to get back on their meds. You seem to be posting a lot of nonsense lately.

As Lip, and probably others, have pointed out, the guy's averaging 56 games a season. The only thing he does at a "high volume" is try to look interested in the timeout huddle while wearing a suit.

Basketballreference list 64% of this seasons minutes and NINETY FOUR PERCENT of last seasons' minutes as shooting guard minutes for Rose. To paraphrase Jon Stewart, it took me longer to type that info than it took me to find it. Great job as usual. I'll give you a hint: If he is on the floor with Teague or Jones, he WILL be considered the "2" in that lineup, and no one cares about your opinion in that regard, or in most regards I'm guessing.

No. The best PERCENTAGE shooter is the best shooter. Really, this is THAT HARD? Steph Curry is the best three point shooter because he MAKES the most, not because he SHOOTS the most.

OKogie is shooting 22% on the year from 3. Gordon? 23% I say give the young man a chance. I realize he's not your fella, but he deserves a chance too.

You watch sports and your not good at commenting on it, but you are going to presume I take "meds"? Are you a really bad Doctor as well? Whatever. Maybe you should give them a try. They haven't stopped me from Googling basic facts.

MIN is 15th in 3P% at 35% (21st in attempts, 20th in makes). I can't comment on who posted complaints about MIN not shooting enough 3's, but I'm guessing that person or those people wanted some MAKES as well. If somebody decides to post about how they are looking forward to more missed 3's, maybe comment on that person instead of the whole board.

Wow. Seriously. Everybody who doesn't want Eric Gordon needs to "stop bitching"? Even if you were right, good luck enforcing it, either technology-wise or physically.

[Lipoli390]

As far as I'm concerned you can't bitch about our 3 pt shooting and be absolutely against an Eric Gordon trade. All that guy does is shoot volume 3's at a good clip. Nobody else in any of the trade proposals brings that to the table. So if you don't want Gordon that's fine, but stop bitching about the 3 pt shooting then. He'd fix it and bring 4 first round picks with him in the process. That's exactly what this team needs. And as we've seen with Okogie we have someone worth giving minutes to when Gordon misses some time for us.

Calm down. Just because he took you to Red Lobster on your last date doesn't mean the rest of us have to act like he's good.

Never mind the durability issues. He's a career .375 3pt shooter (KAT: .389). The Wolves shot .350 last year and are shooting .357 this year. Not exactly going from Xavier McDaniel to Reggie Miller here.

Prediction: He ends up being a part of the trade. He gets almost no minutes behind Okogie and Rose until Feb, when Okogie hits the wall and the Wolves are showcasing him for a trade.

From there, who knows? Maybe he gets moved at the deadline. Maybe over the summer. Maybe he works over the summer to prepare for his walk year and shoots 40% from three for the SECOND TIME IN HIS CAREER. And then maybe he makes an honest boy out of you.

All this board is is "Bitching". Like you bitching about me bitching about Chuck Fletcher's historically-god-awful job running the Mild. Or the time you "bitched" about Terry Ryan and then listed a bunch of moves that Bill Smith had made. At least most of us Google the facts before we post it, unlike yourself. And anytime you're ready feel free to skateboard down to the SuperAmerica and hang out with the kids from your homeroom.

37.5% with high volume would be the best 3pt shooter on the team. And yet he wouldn't start over a rookie who can't shoot and a backup PG playing SG. Yep. Sounds about right from you. Time for someone to get back on their meds. You seem to be posting a lot of nonsense lately.

Kahns - Telling everyone not to "bitch" about the Wolves poor 3-point shooting if they don't like the idea of holding out for Eric Gordon in a Houston deal seems a bit over the top, don't you think? And telling people to "get back on their meds" in a debate on a sports message board seems over the top of your last over the top. :) Time to chill.

[khans2k5 [enjin:6608728]]

As far as I'm concerned you can't bitch about our 3 pt shooting and be absolutely against an Eric Gordon trade. All that guy does is shoot volume 3's at a good clip. Nobody else in any of the trade proposals brings that to the table. So if you don't want Gordon that's fine, but stop bitching about the 3 pt shooting then. He'd fix it and bring 4 first round picks with him in the process. That's exactly what this team needs. And as we've seen with Okogie we have someone worth giving minutes to when Gordon misses some time for us.

Calm down. Just because he took you to Red Lobster on your last date doesn't mean the rest of us have to act like he's good.

Never mind the durability issues. He's a career .375 3pt shooter (KAT: .389). The Wolves shot .350 last year and are shooting .357 this year. Not exactly going from Xavier McDaniel to Reggie Miller here.

Prediction: He ends up being a part of the trade. He gets almost no minutes behind Okogie and Rose until Feb, when Okogie hits the wall and the Wolves are showcasing him for a trade.

From there, who knows? Maybe he gets moved at the deadline. Maybe over the summer. Maybe he works over the summer to prepare for his walk year and shoots 40% from three for the SECOND TIME IN HIS CAREER. And then maybe he makes an honest boy out of you.

All this board is is "Bitching". Like you bitching about me bitching about Chuck Fletcher's historically-god-awful job running the Mild. Or the time you "bitched" about Terry Ryan and then listed a bunch of moves that Bill Smith had made. At least most of us Google the facts before we post it, unlike yourself. And anytime you're ready feel free to skateboard down to the SuperAmerica and hang out with the kids from your homeroom.

37.5% with high volume would be the best 3pt shooter on the team. And yet he wouldn't start over a rookie who can't shoot and a backup PG playing SG. Yep. Sounds about right from you. Time for someone to get back on their meds. You seem to be posting a lot of nonsense lately.

Kahns - Telling everyone not to "bitch" about the Wolves poor 3-point shooting if they don't like the idea of holding out for Eric Gordon in a Houston deal seems a bit over the top, don't you think? And telling people to "get back on their meds" in a debate on a sports message board seems over the top of your last over the top. :) Time to chill.

He comes here once a month and blows up the board attacking people left and right while posting nonsense like D Rose is a SG just because he plays next to other PG's like it's not possible two PG's could be on the court at the same time. I have no respect for him and will continue to fight back when he personally attacks me which is every time I post and he's "around" again. There's 0 chill with me when it comes to Jason. He hasn't posted anything productive on this board in it's history and he's an internet troll.

[JasonIsDaMan [enjin:7981157]]

As far as I'm concerned you can't bitch about our 3 pt shooting and be absolutely against an Eric Gordon trade. All that guy does is shoot volume 3's at a good clip. Nobody else in any of the trade proposals brings that to the table. So if you don't want Gordon that's fine, but stop bitching about the 3 pt shooting then. He'd fix it and bring 4 first round picks with him in the process. That's exactly what this team needs. And as we've seen with Okogie we have someone worth giving minutes to when Gordon misses some time for us.

Calm down. Just because he took you to Red Lobster on your last date doesn't mean the rest of us have to act like he's good.

Never mind the durability issues. He's a career .375 3pt shooter (KAT: .389). The Wolves shot .350 last year and are shooting .357 this year. Not exactly going from Xavier McDaniel to Reggie Miller here.

Prediction: He ends up being a part of the trade. He gets almost no minutes behind Okogie and Rose until Feb, when Okogie hits the wall and the Wolves are showcasing him for a trade.

From there, who knows? Maybe he gets moved at the deadline. Maybe over the summer. Maybe he works over the summer to prepare for his walk year and shoots 40% from three for the SECOND TIME IN HIS CAREER. And then maybe he makes an honest boy out of you.

All this board is is "Bitching". Like you bitching about me bitching about Chuck Fletcher's historically-god-awful job running the Mild. Or the time you "bitched" about Terry Ryan and then listed a bunch of moves that Bill Smith had made. At least most of us Google the facts before we post it, unlike yourself. And anytime you're ready feel free to skateboard down to the SuperAmerica and hang out with the kids from your homeroom.

37.5% with high volume would be the best 3pt shooter on the team. And yet he wouldn't start over a rookie who can't shoot and a backup PG playing SG. Yep. Sounds about right from you. Time for someone to get back on their meds. You seem to be posting a lot of nonsense lately.

Kahns - Telling everyone not to "bitch" about the Wolves poor 3-point shooting if they don't like the idea of holding out for Eric Gordon in a Houston deal seems a bit over the top, don't you think? And telling people to "get back on their meds" in a debate on a sports message board seems over the top of your last over the top. :) Time to chill.

Thanks for the support Lip.

Khans: Seriously, your opinion is never going to be more important than the facts. If you have no idea on where to look for the facts, get off your high horse, ask nicely, and maybe we'll tell you where to look. But the Gordon thing is over. It hasn't happened, and he turns 30 on Christmas, so the odds aren't great. Move on. If you stop bringing him up, and turn the hostility down, eventually we'll forget.