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khans2k5 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:As far as I'm concerned you can't bitch about our 3 pt shooting and be absolutely against an Eric Gordon trade. All that guy does is shoot volume 3's at a good clip. Nobody else in any of the trade proposals brings that to the table. So if you don't want Gordon that's fine, but stop bitching about the 3 pt shooting then. He'd fix it and bring 4 first round picks with him in the process. That's exactly what this team needs. And as we've seen with Okogie we have someone worth giving minutes to when Gordon misses some time for us.

Calm down. Just because he took you to Red Lobster on your last date doesn't mean the rest of us have to act like he's good.

Never mind the durability issues. He's a career .375 3pt shooter (KAT: .389). The Wolves shot .350 last year and are shooting .357 this year. Not exactly going from Xavier McDaniel to Reggie Miller here.

Prediction: He ends up being a part of the trade. He gets almost no minutes behind Okogie and Rose until Feb, when Okogie hits the wall and the Wolves are showcasing him for a trade.

From there, who knows? Maybe he gets moved at the deadline. Maybe over the summer. Maybe he works over the summer to prepare for his walk year and shoots 40% from three for the SECOND TIME IN HIS CAREER. And then maybe he makes an honest boy out of you.

All this board is is "Bitching". Like you bitching about me bitching about Chuck Fletcher's historically-god-awful job running the Mild. Or the time you "bitched" about Terry Ryan and then listed a bunch of moves that Bill Smith had made. At least most of us Google the facts before we post it, unlike yourself. And anytime you're ready feel free to skateboard down to the SuperAmerica and hang out with the kids from your homeroom.

37.5% with high volume would be the best 3pt shooter on the team. And yet he wouldn't start over a rookie who can't shoot and a backup PG playing SG. Yep. Sounds about right from you. Time for someone to get back on their meds. You seem to be posting a lot of nonsense lately.

Kahns - Telling everyone not to "bitch" about the Wolves poor 3-point shooting if they don't like the idea of holding out for Eric Gordon in a Houston deal seems a bit over the top, don't you think? And telling people to "get back on their meds" in a debate on a sports message board seems over the top of your last over the top. :) Time to chill.

He comes here once a month and blows up the board attacking people left and right while posting nonsense like D Rose is a SG just because he plays next to other PG's like it's not possible two PG's could be on the court at the same time. I have no respect for him and will continue to fight back when he personally attacks me which is every time I post and he's "around" again. There's 0 chill with me when it comes to Jason. He hasn't posted anything productive on this board in it's history and he's an internet troll.

You can play FIVE point guards if you want. But only one will be CLASSFIED as a point. If Harrison Smith starts taking the ball from center, guess what? He's the QB. And no one will care what you think.

Me? Unproductive? Pal, I got news for you: If nothing else, I can at least repost facts and math. You don't even have that down. And until you start doing better, there will be "0 Chill" from me as well. And for the record, this round started with you "attacking" an ENTIRE BOARD over ERIC GORDON. Think about it.

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:As far as I'm concerned you can't bitch about our 3 pt shooting and be absolutely against an Eric Gordon trade. All that guy does is shoot volume 3's at a good clip. Nobody else in any of the trade proposals brings that to the table. So if you don't want Gordon that's fine, but stop bitching about the 3 pt shooting then. He'd fix it and bring 4 first round picks with him in the process. That's exactly what this team needs. And as we've seen with Okogie we have someone worth giving minutes to when Gordon misses some time for us.

Calm down. Just because he took you to Red Lobster on your last date doesn't mean the rest of us have to act like he's good.

Never mind the durability issues. He's a career .375 3pt shooter (KAT: .389). The Wolves shot .350 last year and are shooting .357 this year. Not exactly going from Xavier McDaniel to Reggie Miller here.

Prediction: He ends up being a part of the trade. He gets almost no minutes behind Okogie and Rose until Feb, when Okogie hits the wall and the Wolves are showcasing him for a trade.

From there, who knows? Maybe he gets moved at the deadline. Maybe over the summer. Maybe he works over the summer to prepare for his walk year and shoots 40% from three for the SECOND TIME IN HIS CAREER. And then maybe he makes an honest boy out of you.

All this board is is "Bitching". Like you bitching about me bitching about Chuck Fletcher's historically-god-awful job running the Mild. Or the time you "bitched" about Terry Ryan and then listed a bunch of moves that Bill Smith had made. At least most of us Google the facts before we post it, unlike yourself. And anytime you're ready feel free to skateboard down to the SuperAmerica and hang out with the kids from your homeroom.

37.5% with high volume would be the best 3pt shooter on the team. And yet he wouldn't start over a rookie who can't shoot and a backup PG playing SG. Yep. Sounds about right from you. Time for someone to get back on their meds. You seem to be posting a lot of nonsense lately.

Kahns - Telling everyone not to "bitch" about the Wolves poor 3-point shooting if they don't like the idea of holding out for Eric Gordon in a Houston deal seems a bit over the top, don't you think? And telling people to "get back on their meds" in a debate on a sports message board seems over the top of your last over the top. :) Time to chill.

Thanks for the support Lip.

Khans: Seriously, your opinion is never going to be more important than the facts. If you have no idea on where to look for the facts, get off your high horse, ask nicely, and maybe we'll tell you where to look. But the Gordon thing is over. It hasn't happened, and he turns 30 on Christmas, so the odds aren't great. Move on. If you stop bringing him up, and turn the hostility down, eventually we'll forget.

Hey man it's hard not to get a little fired up (Khans does get fired up a bit) when you often come in bringing up some thing you disagreed with someone literally years ago and say that's how you basically know the person has no idea what they are talking about. You have said people need to do their research or have their facts straight. There have been plenty of instances the past few days you haven't done that yourself. I'm not suggesting you don't do your research but nobody is gonna get the stuff right all the time. I've made plenty of errors myself and so has everyone here.

IMO it might be more worthwhile and move past some past stuff and talk about our favorite sports teams I'm sure we can find some new stuff to disagree with while also maybe enlighting each other with some thoughts and perspectives. We are all on the same side here no fans here from say the Trailblazers prodding us about some player or issue. Kahns isn't an idiot neither are you. Both of you have some value to add to the discussion here.

Also I agree I'm pretty much ready to move on from the Gordon discussion. Everybody seems to have their minds made up about him anyway so probably nothing new to explore there which is fine. It's just another worthwhile example of how fairly reasonable human beings can see something differently. That's part of what makes things interesting both in life and on this forum. It can lead to some discusssion and maybe finding something out we didn't know before.

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:As far as I'm concerned you can't bitch about our 3 pt shooting and be absolutely against an Eric Gordon trade. All that guy does is shoot volume 3's at a good clip. Nobody else in any of the trade proposals brings that to the table. So if you don't want Gordon that's fine, but stop bitching about the 3 pt shooting then. He'd fix it and bring 4 first round picks with him in the process. That's exactly what this team needs. And as we've seen with Okogie we have someone worth giving minutes to when Gordon misses some time for us.

Calm down. Just because he took you to Red Lobster on your last date doesn't mean the rest of us have to act like he's good.

Never mind the durability issues. He's a career .375 3pt shooter (KAT: .389). The Wolves shot .350 last year and are shooting .357 this year. Not exactly going from Xavier McDaniel to Reggie Miller here.

Prediction: He ends up being a part of the trade. He gets almost no minutes behind Okogie and Rose until Feb, when Okogie hits the wall and the Wolves are showcasing him for a trade.

From there, who knows? Maybe he gets moved at the deadline. Maybe over the summer. Maybe he works over the summer to prepare for his walk year and shoots 40% from three for the SECOND TIME IN HIS CAREER. And then maybe he makes an honest boy out of you.

All this board is is "Bitching". Like you bitching about me bitching about Chuck Fletcher's historically-god-awful job running the Mild. Or the time you "bitched" about Terry Ryan and then listed a bunch of moves that Bill Smith had made. At least most of us Google the facts before we post it, unlike yourself. And anytime you're ready feel free to skateboard down to the SuperAmerica and hang out with the kids from your homeroom.

37.5% with high volume would be the best 3pt shooter on the team. And yet he wouldn't start over a rookie who can't shoot and a backup PG playing SG. Yep. Sounds about right from you. Time for someone to get back on their meds. You seem to be posting a lot of nonsense lately.

Kahns - Telling everyone not to "bitch" about the Wolves poor 3-point shooting if they don't like the idea of holding out for Eric Gordon in a Houston deal seems a bit over the top, don't you think? And telling people to "get back on their meds" in a debate on a sports message board seems over the top of your last over the top. :) Time to chill.

He comes here once a month and blows up the board attacking people left and right while posting nonsense like D Rose is a SG just because he plays next to other PG's like it's not possible two PG's could be on the court at the same time. I have no respect for him and will continue to fight back when he personally attacks me which is every time I post and he's "around" again. There's 0 chill with me when it comes to Jason. He hasn't posted anything productive on this board in it's history and he's an internet troll.

You can play FIVE point guards if you want. But only one will be CLASSFIED as a point. If Harrison Smith starts taking the ball from center, guess what? He's the QB. And no one will care what you think.

Me? Unproductive? Pal, I got news for you: If nothing else, I can at least repost facts and math. You don't even have that down. And until you start doing better, there will be "0 Chill" from me as well. And for the record, this round started with you "attacking" an ENTIRE BOARD over ERIC GORDON. Think about it.

You are arguing a 5 game sample size is more indicative for a season of performance than a 10 year career's worth of evidence. You argued the guy who makes the most 3's is the best 3 point shooter and his career average made 3's (2.2) is higher than our current leader in the clubhouse (Tolliver and Nunally at 2 per game). His last 2 years in Houston it's a full made 3 per game more (3.2) than our current top so how do both of those stats not make him the top 3 pt shooter on our team the second he would put on a Wolves jersey? Even his terrible 5 games has him tied for 2nd on our team at 1.8 makes per game.

You use football as an example of playing a position makes you that guy, yet Jimmy Graham played 67% of his snaps as a WR the year he was franchised and yet the NFL still ruled him as a TE. So no, where you play doesn't always make you that position. There's not an executive in the NBA that labels Derrick Rose as a SG if they were to acquire him for their team.

And for the record this board has spent the last 2 offseasons going in on Thibs for not adding enough shooting and now those same people are scoffing at a trade that would give us a proven volume 3 pt shooter they've been clamoring for the last 2 years. So yes I was harsh in the way I called it out, but at the same time that's hypocritical to criticize Thibs for not acquiring it and then be critical of adding exactly what they were complaining that he wouldn't add to the team.

monsterpile wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:As far as I'm concerned you can't bitch about our 3 pt shooting and be absolutely against an Eric Gordon trade. All that guy does is shoot volume 3's at a good clip. Nobody else in any of the trade proposals brings that to the table. So if you don't want Gordon that's fine, but stop bitching about the 3 pt shooting then. He'd fix it and bring 4 first round picks with him in the process. That's exactly what this team needs. And as we've seen with Okogie we have someone worth giving minutes to when Gordon misses some time for us.

Calm down. Just because he took you to Red Lobster on your last date doesn't mean the rest of us have to act like he's good.

Never mind the durability issues. He's a career .375 3pt shooter (KAT: .389). The Wolves shot .350 last year and are shooting .357 this year. Not exactly going from Xavier McDaniel to Reggie Miller here.

Prediction: He ends up being a part of the trade. He gets almost no minutes behind Okogie and Rose until Feb, when Okogie hits the wall and the Wolves are showcasing him for a trade.

From there, who knows? Maybe he gets moved at the deadline. Maybe over the summer. Maybe he works over the summer to prepare for his walk year and shoots 40% from three for the SECOND TIME IN HIS CAREER. And then maybe he makes an honest boy out of you.

All this board is is "Bitching". Like you bitching about me bitching about Chuck Fletcher's historically-god-awful job running the Mild. Or the time you "bitched" about Terry Ryan and then listed a bunch of moves that Bill Smith had made. At least most of us Google the facts before we post it, unlike yourself. And anytime you're ready feel free to skateboard down to the SuperAmerica and hang out with the kids from your homeroom.

37.5% with high volume would be the best 3pt shooter on the team. And yet he wouldn't start over a rookie who can't shoot and a backup PG playing SG. Yep. Sounds about right from you. Time for someone to get back on their meds. You seem to be posting a lot of nonsense lately.

Kahns - Telling everyone not to "bitch" about the Wolves poor 3-point shooting if they don't like the idea of holding out for Eric Gordon in a Houston deal seems a bit over the top, don't you think? And telling people to "get back on their meds" in a debate on a sports message board seems over the top of your last over the top. :) Time to chill.

Thanks for the support Lip.

Khans: Seriously, your opinion is never going to be more important than the facts. If you have no idea on where to look for the facts, get off your high horse, ask nicely, and maybe we'll tell you where to look. But the Gordon thing is over. It hasn't happened, and he turns 30 on Christmas, so the odds aren't great. Move on. If you stop bringing him up, and turn the hostility down, eventually we'll forget.

Hey man it's hard not to get a little fired up (Khans does get fired up a bit) when you often come in bringing up some thing you disagreed with someone literally years ago and say that's how you basically know the person has no idea what they are talking about. You have said people need to do their research or have their facts straight. There have been plenty of instances the past few days you haven't done that yourself. I'm not suggesting you don't do your research but nobody is gonna get the stuff right all the time. I've made plenty of errors myself and so has everyone here.

IMO it might be more worthwhile and move past some past stuff and talk about our favorite sports teams I'm sure we can find some new stuff to disagree with while also maybe enlighting each other with some thoughts and perspectives. We are all on the same side here no fans here from say the Trailblazers prodding us about some player or issue. Kahns isn't an idiot neither are you. Both of you have some value to add to the discussion here.

Also I agree I'm pretty much ready to move on from the Gordon discussion. Everybody seems to have their minds made up about him anyway so probably nothing new to explore there which is fine. It's just another worthwhile example of how fairly reasonable human beings can see something differently. That's part of what makes things interesting both in life and on this forum. It can lead to some discusssion and maybe finding something out we didn't know before.

You raise some good points, but he is the one who stuck his flag in the ground over Eric Gordon AGAIN, and he did use the word bitching.

Any time I am wrong about something factual and/or math-based, feel free to point it out. I do take some pride in that.

In terms of the past stuff, I have a decent memory, and I tend to want to use it to help my case. And I used it to point out that some other another poster, who didn't like something I typed that was completely opinion-based, maybe isnt' that strong in that regard. That's one of things that bugs me in the current coverage of sports, and to a lesser degree politics: People say completely stupid things in real time that's only compounded by future events, and everyone forgets it happened. Seriously, should Skip Bayless (or Chris Matthews) even still have a job?

I'll work on it, but I'll need some help.

khans2k5 wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:As far as I'm concerned you can't bitch about our 3 pt shooting and be absolutely against an Eric Gordon trade. All that guy does is shoot volume 3's at a good clip. Nobody else in any of the trade proposals brings that to the table. So if you don't want Gordon that's fine, but stop bitching about the 3 pt shooting then. He'd fix it and bring 4 first round picks with him in the process. That's exactly what this team needs. And as we've seen with Okogie we have someone worth giving minutes to when Gordon misses some time for us.

Calm down. Just because he took you to Red Lobster on your last date doesn't mean the rest of us have to act like he's good.

Never mind the durability issues. He's a career .375 3pt shooter (KAT: .389). The Wolves shot .350 last year and are shooting .357 this year. Not exactly going from Xavier McDaniel to Reggie Miller here.

Prediction: He ends up being a part of the trade. He gets almost no minutes behind Okogie and Rose until Feb, when Okogie hits the wall and the Wolves are showcasing him for a trade.

From there, who knows? Maybe he gets moved at the deadline. Maybe over the summer. Maybe he works over the summer to prepare for his walk year and shoots 40% from three for the SECOND TIME IN HIS CAREER. And then maybe he makes an honest boy out of you.

All this board is is "Bitching". Like you bitching about me bitching about Chuck Fletcher's historically-god-awful job running the Mild. Or the time you "bitched" about Terry Ryan and then listed a bunch of moves that Bill Smith had made. At least most of us Google the facts before we post it, unlike yourself. And anytime you're ready feel free to skateboard down to the SuperAmerica and hang out with the kids from your homeroom.

37.5% with high volume would be the best 3pt shooter on the team. And yet he wouldn't start over a rookie who can't shoot and a backup PG playing SG. Yep. Sounds about right from you. Time for someone to get back on their meds. You seem to be posting a lot of nonsense lately.

Kahns - Telling everyone not to "bitch" about the Wolves poor 3-point shooting if they don't like the idea of holding out for Eric Gordon in a Houston deal seems a bit over the top, don't you think? And telling people to "get back on their meds" in a debate on a sports message board seems over the top of your last over the top. :) Time to chill.

He comes here once a month and blows up the board attacking people left and right while posting nonsense like D Rose is a SG just because he plays next to other PG's like it's not possible two PG's could be on the court at the same time. I have no respect for him and will continue to fight back when he personally attacks me which is every time I post and he's "around" again. There's 0 chill with me when it comes to Jason. He hasn't posted anything productive on this board in it's history and he's an internet troll.

You can play FIVE point guards if you want. But only one will be CLASSFIED as a point. If Harrison Smith starts taking the ball from center, guess what? He's the QB. And no one will care what you think.

Me? Unproductive? Pal, I got news for you: If nothing else, I can at least repost facts and math. You don't even have that down. And until you start doing better, there will be "0 Chill" from me as well. And for the record, this round started with you "attacking" an ENTIRE BOARD over ERIC GORDON. Think about it.

You are arguing a 5 game sample size is more indicative for a season of performance than a 10 year career's worth of evidence. You argued the guy who makes the most 3's is the best 3 point shooter and his career average made 3's (2.2) is higher than our current leader in the clubhouse (Tolliver and Nunally at 2 per game). His last 2 years in Houston it's a full made 3 per game more (3.2) than our current top so how do both of those stats not make him the top 3 pt shooter on our team the second he would put on a Wolves jersey? Even his terrible 5 games has him tied for 2nd on our team at 1.8 makes per game.

You use football as an example of playing a position makes you that guy, yet Jimmy Graham played 67% of his snaps as a WR the year he was franchised and yet the NFL still ruled him as a TE. So no, where you play doesn't always make you that position. There's not an executive in the NBA that labels Derrick Rose as a SG if they were to acquire him for their team.

And for the record this board has spent the last 2 offseasons going in on Thibs for not adding enough shooting and now those same people are scoffing at a trade that would give us a proven volume 3 pt shooter they've been clamoring for the last 2 years. So yes I was harsh in the way I called it out, but at the same time that's hypocritical to criticize Thibs for not acquiring it and then be critical of adding exactly what they were complaining that he wouldn't add to the team.

....And the day that extra 3P make is worth all the money he makes or all the things he DOESN'T do, I'll be right there with you. Until then, it's not happening.

....As far as Jimmy Graham, write The NFL a letter. You get to say whatever you want because the guy who thinks Pot is worse than punching your girlfriend did Tom Benson a favor and called Graham a TE? Not happening. The NFL is more fluid in how they classify positions. That doesn't mean the NBA has to be, or I have to be. I didn't CALL Rose a SG. I said he will be playing the SG minutes. Go back and read it. And once again, no one cares about the distinction you are trying to make.

....HE'S NOT PROVEN!!! One more make a game than Anthony Tolliver is not proven! It's just not. And wanting a more complete, durable player for that money is not hypocritical. It's just not. And saying so does not make a person someone who "bitches".

See what I did there? I refuted all of your arguments without calling you, Gordon, or Roger Goodell, a name. Give it a shot sometime.

FWIW Wolfson is saying the Houston offer was Knight Chriss and Nene plus the 4 picks. Nene has a player option so that means a possible 20 million plus to the payroll depending on what they wanted to do with Chriss's Option. If that was the offer that's easier to see them turning that down.

monsterpile wrote:FWIW Wolfson is saying the Houston offer was Knight Chriss and Nene plus the 4 picks. Nene has a player option so that means a possible 20 million plus to the payroll depending on what they wanted to do with Chriss's Option. If that was the offer that's easier to see them turning that down.

Wow, Thibodeau should be fired if he takes that deal. Oh, did I just say Thibodeau should be fired? :)

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:

JasonIsDaMan wrote:

khans2k5 wrote:As far as I'm concerned you can't bitch about our 3 pt shooting and be absolutely against an Eric Gordon trade. All that guy does is shoot volume 3's at a good clip. Nobody else in any of the trade proposals brings that to the table. So if you don't want Gordon that's fine, but stop bitching about the 3 pt shooting then. He'd fix it and bring 4 first round picks with him in the process. That's exactly what this team needs. And as we've seen with Okogie we have someone worth giving minutes to when Gordon misses some time for us.

Calm down. Just because he took you to Red Lobster on your last date doesn't mean the rest of us have to act like he's good.

Never mind the durability issues. He's a career .375 3pt shooter (KAT: .389). The Wolves shot .350 last year and are shooting .357 this year. Not exactly going from Xavier McDaniel to Reggie Miller here.

Prediction: He ends up being a part of the trade. He gets almost no minutes behind Okogie and Rose until Feb, when Okogie hits the wall and the Wolves are showcasing him for a trade.

From there, who knows? Maybe he gets moved at the deadline. Maybe over the summer. Maybe he works over the summer to prepare for his walk year and shoots 40% from three for the SECOND TIME IN HIS CAREER. And then maybe he makes an honest boy out of you.

All this board is is "Bitching". Like you bitching about me bitching about Chuck Fletcher's historically-god-awful job running the Mild. Or the time you "bitched" about Terry Ryan and then listed a bunch of moves that Bill Smith had made. At least most of us Google the facts before we post it, unlike yourself. And anytime you're ready feel free to skateboard down to the SuperAmerica and hang out with the kids from your homeroom.

37.5% with high volume would be the best 3pt shooter on the team. And yet he wouldn't start over a rookie who can't shoot and a backup PG playing SG. Yep. Sounds about right from you. Time for someone to get back on their meds. You seem to be posting a lot of nonsense lately.

Kahns - Telling everyone not to "bitch" about the Wolves poor 3-point shooting if they don't like the idea of holding out for Eric Gordon in a Houston deal seems a bit over the top, don't you think? And telling people to "get back on their meds" in a debate on a sports message board seems over the top of your last over the top. :) Time to chill.

He comes here once a month and blows up the board attacking people left and right while posting nonsense like D Rose is a SG just because he plays next to other PG's like it's not possible two PG's could be on the court at the same time. I have no respect for him and will continue to fight back when he personally attacks me which is every time I post and he's "around" again. There's 0 chill with me when it comes to Jason. He hasn't posted anything productive on this board in it's history and he's an internet troll.

You can play FIVE point guards if you want. But only one will be CLASSFIED as a point. If Harrison Smith starts taking the ball from center, guess what? He's the QB. And no one will care what you think.

Me? Unproductive? Pal, I got news for you: If nothing else, I can at least repost facts and math. You don't even have that down. And until you start doing better, there will be "0 Chill" from me as well. And for the record, this round started with you "attacking" an ENTIRE BOARD over ERIC GORDON. Think about it.

You are arguing a 5 game sample size is more indicative for a season of performance than a 10 year career's worth of evidence. You argued the guy who makes the most 3's is the best 3 point shooter and his career average made 3's (2.2) is higher than our current leader in the clubhouse (Tolliver and Nunally at 2 per game). His last 2 years in Houston it's a full made 3 per game more (3.2) than our current top so how do both of those stats not make him the top 3 pt shooter on our team the second he would put on a Wolves jersey? Even his terrible 5 games has him tied for 2nd on our team at 1.8 makes per game.

You use football as an example of playing a position makes you that guy, yet Jimmy Graham played 67% of his snaps as a WR the year he was franchised and yet the NFL still ruled him as a TE. So no, where you play doesn't always make you that position. There's not an executive in the NBA that labels Derrick Rose as a SG if they were to acquire him for their team.

And for the record this board has spent the last 2 offseasons going in on Thibs for not adding enough shooting and now those same people are scoffing at a trade that would give us a proven volume 3 pt shooter they've been clamoring for the last 2 years. So yes I was harsh in the way I called it out, but at the same time that's hypocritical to criticize Thibs for not acquiring it and then be critical of adding exactly what they were complaining that he wouldn't add to the team.

....And the day that extra 3P make is worth all the money he makes or all the things he DOESN'T do, I'll be right there with you. Until then, it's not happening.

....As far as Jimmy Graham, write The NFL a letter. You get to say whatever you want because the guy who thinks Pot is worse than punching your girlfriend did Tom Benson a favor and called Graham a TE? Not happening. The NFL is more fluid in how they classify positions. That doesn't mean the NBA has to be, or I have to be. I didn't CALL Rose a SG. I said he will be playing the SG minutes. Go back and read it. And once again, no one cares about the distinction you are trying to make.

....HE'S NOT PROVEN!!! One more make a game than Anthony Tolliver is not proven! It's just not. And wanting a more complete, durable player for that money is not hypocritical. It's just not. And saying so does not make a person someone who "bitches".

See what I did there? I refuted all of your arguments without calling you, Gordon, or Roger Goodell, a name. Give it a shot sometime.

He's been playing basketball for a decade. How are his stats not proven at this point? 10 years!!! And wanting a volume 3pt shooter for 2 years and then scoffing at the prospect of adding one who has a multi-year track record doing it for the second best team in the NBA is hypocritical. Especially when using age as a factor when shooting is the one skill in this league that doesn't care if you are 20 or 40.

And I didn't bring the NFL into this. You did. So way to use an NFL example and then go on to trash it as a poor to use in comparison to the NBA. Solid back peddle.

And D Rose would be playing SG minutes...as the backup to Gordon just like he does Jimmy. I actually don't care where Rose plays. Your prediction had Gordon backing up Okogie and Rose meaning he'd be playing behind a rookie and a PG playing SG. There's not a coach in the league who does that.

See. I didn't call you any names. But tell me how to debate with someone who doesn't believe 10 years is a big enough sample size while using 5 games to support their own argument. Someone who argues a point and then when a different example is made of the same point says it doesn't matter anyway. Someone who believes a rookie and a PG would play SG minutes over an actual veteran SG when they are both currently backing up our veteran SG.

I'm sure practically everyone that's been on this forum for a couple years knows that khans and I have a history of getting into heated debates here, but khans does tend to consistently have solid points -- right or wrong -- and plenty of supporting data to back himself up, which is completely respectable. He adds plenty of value to the overall direction of most topics and I feel confident that he knows the game of basketball as well as the overall landscape of the NBA.

Now, take all of what I just said and try to apply it to Jason and you will come up empty. Whether it's a half-assed rebuttal, a weirdly incorrect stance [like Eric Gordon not being a good 3P-shooter] or making up past opinions of the opposing poster in an attempt to gain SOME credibility, you never know what you're going to get with this guy. His activity here is as eradic his basketball takes. Not to mention the uncalled-for passive aggressive insults within the majority of his comments. I could do without another exchange with him and I'm confident that I'm not the only one here that feels that way.

Paint me as the bad guy and argue that I'm attacking someone. That's fine with me. I'll end with this, though. One of the two posters involved in that recent Eric Gordon debate had sound reasoning and a past of being right about some things, and the other person is Jason -- all over the place.

Camden wrote:I'm sure practically everyone that's been on this forum for a couple years knows that khans and I have a history of getting into heated debates here, but khans does tend to consistently have solid points -- right or wrong -- and plenty of supporting data to back himself up, which is completely respectable. He adds plenty of value to the overall direction of most topics and I feel confident that he knows the game of basketball as well as the overall landscape of the NBA.

Now, take all of what I just said and try to apply it to Jason and you will come up empty. Whether it's a half-assed rebuttal, a weirdly incorrect stance [like Eric Gordon not being a good 3P-shooter] or making up past opinions of the opposing poster in an attempt to gain SOME credibility, you never know what you're going to get with this guy. His activity here is as eradic his basketball takes. Not to mention the uncalled-for passive aggressive insults within the majority of his comments. I could do without another exchange with him and I'm confident that I'm not the only one here that feels that way.

Paint me as the bad guy and argue that I'm attacking someone. That's fine with me. I'll end with this, though. One of the two posters involved in that recent Eric Gordon debate had sound reasoning and a past of being right about some things, and the other person is Jason -- all over the place.

Khans has a tendency to stick a flag in the ground and then He. Will. Not. Budge. Jason tends to be very creative and....er...obscure, but yeah, eventually things seem to always devolve into insults with him. This dates back years. I will never forget the time he mocked me for referencing a stat in 82games and now he's the one referencing it! The further irony is that no one really uses 82games anymore...

Back to the Houston deal with or without Gordon. Count me as sufficiently on the fence with this one. Khans and Lip both make compelling arguments.