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Q-was-here wrote:Jon Krawczynski Retweeted
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LMAOOOO Pat Bev just had a teammate hand him some fake dice and he faked rolled a seven in front of the fans. I'm crying.

I can't say for certain, but I thought I saw D-Lo in that mix. They did it a couple times throughout this one after a Detroit timeout.

Edit: It was PatBev, D-Lo and Taurean.

lipoli390 wrote:

Camden wrote:I mean, maybe we extend Taurean Prince. Who saw that coming? Who thought that would be a legitimate question after his start to the season? Playing his best ball lately. This version of him is a real weapon.

Agree, Cam. I like this team. I've reached a point where I'm no longer interested in dealing Prince or any of our guys other than Layman by the deadline.

Prince > Beverley. That's why I was excited about the idea of Beasley for Nesmith and Richardson. Then Beverley, Layman, and picks for Derrick White. Beverley is gritty, but he is always hurt and getting older, so I doubt it gets better.

Q-was-here wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:So there are Pat Bev for Marcus Smart rumors and I think that would be a terrible idea for what Pat Bev means for this team

Bev could be our version of Haslem. Obviously Bev is still playing at a pretty damn high level and we will desperately need him healthy and on the floor during the playoffs. But I could see a longer term role for him that morphs into player/Chief Culture Officer with the latter becoming the more prominent role as injuries and age eat away at his playing time.

Is he that important though? Anyone should obviously see that KAT is rubbing off on Edwards with the complaining. If Beverley cannot get through to KAT, then he is expendable. We have to capitalize on assets that are high to a contender or someone who wants a prospect ticket that allows us to round out our roster. In my opinion,, Beverley, Beasley, Reid, Nowell should all be used as trade fodder before the deadline.

TheFuture wrote:

Q-was-here wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:So there are Pat Bev for Marcus Smart rumors and I think that would be a terrible idea for what Pat Bev means for this team

Bev could be our version of Haslem. Obviously Bev is still playing at a pretty damn high level and we will desperately need him healthy and on the floor during the playoffs. But I could see a longer term role for him that morphs into player/Chief Culture Officer with the latter becoming the more prominent role as injuries and age eat away at his playing time.

Is he that important though? Anyone should obviously see that KAT is rubbing off on Edwards with the complaining. If Beverley cannot get through to KAT, then he is expendable. We have to capitalize on assets that are high to a contender or someone who wants a prospect ticket that allows us to round out our roster. In my opinion,, Beverley, Beasley, Reid, Nowell should all be used as trade fodder before the deadline.

Well, let's first talk about the here and now. When you talk about rounding out our roster by trading Patrick Beverley, you are basically creating one hole to fill another. I know he struggles with staying healthy, but when he plays, he is one of our top 3 or 4 players on the floor. His absence would leave a massive hole in a year that we might have the opportunity to make some noise in the playoffs.

As for the future, this team needs veteran locker room leadership. KAT isn't capable of it himself because he's too emotionally immature. Ant is still too young. And DLO is a great team mate, but he doesn't have the fire or winning pedigree to get in people's faces.

If we were 5+ games below .500 and sucking wind just trying to snag a 9th or 10th seed, I'd consider trading PBev. But I want him in the foxhole with this group.

We're 2 games over .500 for the first time since 3-1 with a chance to get 3 games over for the first time this season with a win over the same weak opponent we just beat. I'm happy with where we are right now, but we have to get the 6-seed (or 5). Too much talent at the top of this roster and a supporting cast coming into its own for anything less to be acceptable.

Q-was-here wrote:

TheFuture wrote:

Q-was-here wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:So there are Pat Bev for Marcus Smart rumors and I think that would be a terrible idea for what Pat Bev means for this team

Bev could be our version of Haslem. Obviously Bev is still playing at a pretty damn high level and we will desperately need him healthy and on the floor during the playoffs. But I could see a longer term role for him that morphs into player/Chief Culture Officer with the latter becoming the more prominent role as injuries and age eat away at his playing time.

Is he that important though? Anyone should obviously see that KAT is rubbing off on Edwards with the complaining. If Beverley cannot get through to KAT, then he is expendable. We have to capitalize on assets that are high to a contender or someone who wants a prospect ticket that allows us to round out our roster. In my opinion,, Beverley, Beasley, Reid, Nowell should all be used as trade fodder before the deadline.

Well, let's first talk about the here and now. When you talk about rounding out our roster by trading Patrick Beverley, you are basically creating one hole to fill another. I know he struggles with staying healthy, but when he plays, he is one of our top 3 or 4 players on the floor. His absence would leave a massive hole in a year that we might have the opportunity to make some noise in the playoffs.

As for the future, this team needs veteran locker room leadership. KAT isn't capable of it himself because he's too emotionally immature. Ant is still too young. And DLO is a great team mate, but he doesn't have the fire or winning pedigree to get in people's faces.

If we were 5+ games below .500 and sucking wind just trying to snag a 9th or 10th seed, I'd consider trading PBev. But I want him in the foxhole with this group.

In theory, I agree with you about Beverley. But, he is older, often injured, and expiring. This team is on an upward trend, yet nowhere near to making serious noise. Bev, Prince, Reid, Beasley, Nowell, picks, should all be on the table. The bed has been made with KAT, DLO, and Ant. If they cannot provide leadership, then we are doomed. 0We are lucky to have gotten Vando on that contract, and big Jmac is showing promise. Every other player is expendable. Get something rather than nothing.

TheFuture wrote:

Q-was-here wrote:

TheFuture wrote:

Q-was-here wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:So there are Pat Bev for Marcus Smart rumors and I think that would be a terrible idea for what Pat Bev means for this team

Bev could be our version of Haslem. Obviously Bev is still playing at a pretty damn high level and we will desperately need him healthy and on the floor during the playoffs. But I could see a longer term role for him that morphs into player/Chief Culture Officer with the latter becoming the more prominent role as injuries and age eat away at his playing time.

Is he that important though? Anyone should obviously see that KAT is rubbing off on Edwards with the complaining. If Beverley cannot get through to KAT, then he is expendable. We have to capitalize on assets that are high to a contender or someone who wants a prospect ticket that allows us to round out our roster. In my opinion,, Beverley, Beasley, Reid, Nowell should all be used as trade fodder before the deadline.

Well, let's first talk about the here and now. When you talk about rounding out our roster by trading Patrick Beverley, you are basically creating one hole to fill another. I know he struggles with staying healthy, but when he plays, he is one of our top 3 or 4 players on the floor. His absence would leave a massive hole in a year that we might have the opportunity to make some noise in the playoffs.

As for the future, this team needs veteran locker room leadership. KAT isn't capable of it himself because he's too emotionally immature. Ant is still too young. And DLO is a great team mate, but he doesn't have the fire or winning pedigree to get in people's faces.

If we were 5+ games below .500 and sucking wind just trying to snag a 9th or 10th seed, I'd consider trading PBev. But I want him in the foxhole with this group.

In theory, I agree with you about Beverley. But, he is older, often injured, and expiring. This team is on an upward trend, yet nowhere near to making serious noise. Bev, Prince, Reid, Beasley, Nowell, picks, should all be on the table. The bed has been made with KAT, DLO, and Ant. If they cannot provide leadership, then we are doomed. 0We are lucky to have gotten Vando on that contract, and big Jmac is showing promise. Every other player is expendable. Get something rather than nothing.

If KAT, Ant and DLO are, in fact, our core three for the long haul, then the Wolves need quality rotation guys and veteran leadership around them.

I agree that McDaniels and Vando are keepers as young, inexpensive quality players with lots of remaining upside. They provide length and defensive, two things this team needs. But I don't think we can expect to improve the rotation guys around our core three by trading Beverley, Prince, Reid, Beasley or Nowell.

Beverley has been a high quality rotation player since day one. He's also been a leader and culture changer who has played a big role in substantially improving what was the League's 2nd worst defense in the League last season. Nowell has been a quality rotation player for at least the last couple months. He plays both sides of the ball, can play both guard positions and is also young with significant remaining upside. He's also on a very team-friendly contract. Prince has been a high-quality rotation player the past several weeks and because his recent play is consistent with his career averages it's likely that he'll remain a quality rotation player the rest of the season. He's a talented player who, remember, was the 12th pick in the 2016 draft. He's a mature professional who is well-liked and highly respected by his teammates. At age 27, he's in the heart of his prime fresh from off-season surgery that he says has him feeling better than he has in years. Beasley is a true 3-point marksman. He's been in a shooting slump most of this season. But his career numbers, especially since coming to MN before this season, tell us he's a 38-40% three-point shooter. He's also a really athletic player who rebounds his position better than most. His rebounding is particularly important for a relatively poor rebounding team like the Wolves. And at age 24, he probably has more upside. Reid is a terrific scorer with lots of remaining upside and a very team-friendly contract.

We all have the tendency to think the grass is greener on the other side. As part of that, we often fail to fully appreciate the positives we get from the players we have on our team. I guess it's at least partially true that familiarity breeds contempt. Don't get me wrong. I'd be open to trading any of the players on this team other than KAT, Ant, DLO or Vanderbilt. Yes, I'd even be willing to part with McDaniels for the right deal. But I don't think we need to trade any of them by the deadline. And I wouldn't actively shop any of them either. We're already on a positive trajectory to finish in the 5-8 range. Very few fans or pundits predicted the Wolves would do that well this season. And by all accounts, this team has tremendous chemistry. Yes, I'd like to improve the team's personnel even more. But it's a stretch to assume other teams will give us better players in exchange for the ones we have. I liked the purported Boston deal because I think Richardson would be an improvement over Beasley given Richardson's defensive competency. But Boston's executives aren't idiots and there's a reason they apparently offered that deal. Beasley's a better volume three-point shooter and also a better rebounder than Richardson. There might be things about Richardson we don't know that would give us pause if we did. He's had a hard time sticking with teams lately.

So far, I think Gupta has done well by doing nothing while letting the current roster develop and gel under Finch. The key marker of success for this young team this season will be making the playoffs. Even better if they can do that without going through the play-in tournament. I think it's clear that the current roster is good enough to meet that objective. The best move for the Wolves front office now, in my view, is to let this season play out and keep their powder dry for the offseason when they can fully assess this season and make prudent, non-rushed decisions to further improve the roster. My one exception to that approach is that I'd like to see the Wolves actively shop Layman and future 2nd-round picks for a quality big like a Robin Lopez or Alex Len or to clear cap space to sign Monroe.

Camden wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:So there are Pat Bev for Marcus Smart rumors and I think that would be a terrible idea for what Pat Bev means for this team

I don't want anything to do with Marcus Smart and his contract. Let's collectively hope those rumors go away.

The contract difference is the key here.

Marcus Smart would bring a lot of the same things to the Wolves (probably more so) than Beverley does.

But is it THAT much of an upgrade to make it worth that price in coming years? Not for me.

TheFuture wrote:

Q-was-here wrote:

kekgeek1 wrote:So there are Pat Bev for Marcus Smart rumors and I think that would be a terrible idea for what Pat Bev means for this team

Bev could be our version of Haslem. Obviously Bev is still playing at a pretty damn high level and we will desperately need him healthy and on the floor during the playoffs. But I could see a longer term role for him that morphs into player/Chief Culture Officer with the latter becoming the more prominent role as injuries and age eat away at his playing time.

Is he that important though? Anyone should obviously see that KAT is rubbing off on Edwards with the complaining. If Beverley cannot get through to KAT, then he is expendable. We have to capitalize on assets that are high to a contender or someone who wants a prospect ticket that allows us to round out our roster. In my opinion,, Beverley, Beasley, Reid, Nowell should all be used as trade fodder before the deadline.

So Towns gets blamed for Edwards complaining?

Can we blame somebody else for Towns complaining?

What do we want/expect from this team?

- A play-in spot? That's pretty much a sure thing barring at least one major injury.
- A playoff berth? A 7-game series is HUGE for their development.
- Does anybody really expect them to get past round 1?

Personally, I think the Wolves are about to go on a run that puts them in the mid-40s for wins as currently constructed. While that SHOULD get them to the final 8 in the playoffs... it's no guarantee.

I keep hearing about the camaraderie of this team. Enough so that there must be some legit juice behind it. So, I say let's just soak up the good vibes. Win 45+ games for the 2nd time in nearly 20 years with a much more likeable group.

Use this season as a feel-good campaign that gives us hope moving forward. Use the offseason to make the moves in the margins to get closer to 50 wins and a sure playoff berth.