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Robert Covington hasn't been all that impressive this season so to say that we couldn't get equal or better value in a trade involving him is something that I'd be inclined to disagree with. I think his reputation -- and his trade value -- exceeds his actual on-court value at this time, especially for a franchise that does not yet have the necessary cornerstones to build around with players of Covington's skill set.
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Camden0916 wrote:Robert Covington hasn't been all that impressive this season so to say that we couldn't get equal or better value in a trade involving him is something that I'd be inclined to disagree with. I think his reputation -- and his trade value -- exceeds his actual on-court value at this time, especially for a franchise that does not yet have the necessary cornerstones to build around with players of Covington's skill set.


I agree with this. He's better from afar. His numbers make him seem far more consistent than what he seems to be up close.
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Camden wrote:Robert Covington hasn't been all that impressive this season so to say that we couldn't get equal or better value in a trade involving him is something that I'd be inclined to disagree with. I think his reputation -- and his trade value -- exceeds his actual on-court value at this time, especially for a franchise that does not yet have the necessary cornerstones to build around with players of Covington's skill set.


He's playing out of position and ends up taking a lot of contested 3's and awkward drives to the hoop because the system and the lack of a true play maker require it of him. I can't remember the last time he actually shot an open 3 created by someone else.
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Camden0916 wrote:Robert Covington hasn't been all that impressive this season so to say that we couldn't get equal or better value in a trade involving him is something that I'd be inclined to disagree with. I think his reputation -- and his trade value -- exceeds his actual on-court value at this time, especially for a franchise that does not yet have the necessary cornerstones to build around with players of Covington's skill set.


Hes a 3d wing, something we are desperately looking for as is most of the league. Yet, we prance him as a pf while we continue to get killed on the boards and have to send out any combination of okogie, graham, and culver.

Theres no reason we cant play 5 out with cov at the 3 and kat at the 4 by adding another big like dieng or vonleh.

Covs got a great contract and i think his game ages well.
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thedoper wrote:
Camden0916 wrote:Robert Covington hasn't been all that impressive this season so to say that we couldn't get equal or better value in a trade involving him is something that I'd be inclined to disagree with. I think his reputation -- and his trade value -- exceeds his actual on-court value at this time, especially for a franchise that does not yet have the necessary cornerstones to build around with players of Covington's skill set.


I agree with this. He's better from afar. His numbers make him seem far more consistent than what he seems to be up close.


I agree also. Covington is the key to any deal that can really make a significant positive net difference for this team. However, the front office will have to be smart and patient. Rosas and his minions need to recognize Covington's value, make phone calls and bide their time accordingly until the right deal materializes. I still think the best deal for Covington will be available in the few days leading up to and including next June's draft. But if a really good deal presents itself by the February deadline, the Wolves front office needs to pull the trigger.
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Fun game both teams misfired at times but the Wolves played well enough to win the game.

Naz Reid with a terrific game. Dieng did lots of nice things but was a mixed bag

Kelan Martin played well enough to help the team win. KBD did some nice things.

Good to see Teague bounce back after going down. He was playing well before that. Maybe this game will get Napier on track. He is a better offensive player than he has shown so far this season.

Some good defense was played by the Wolves. It's nice to see.
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Nowell back with the Iowa team tonight goes off for 26 points, including 5-10 from 3. Someone needs to explain to him that the distance and hoop dimensions are the same the next time he gets called up.

McLaughlin with a big game too, but the Iowa Wolves lost a close one.
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Q12543 wrote:Nowell back with the Iowa team tonight goes off for 26 points, including 5-10 from 3. Someone needs to explain to him that the distance and hoop dimensions are the same the next time he gets called up.

McLaughlin with a big game too, but the Iowa Wolves lost a close one.


With Nowell it's obviously nerves and confidence holding him back at the NBA level. The remedy for that is simply more playing time and making it clear to him that he doesn't have to constantly think about getting yanked from a game and then sent back down to Iowa over and over again. The Wolves simply aren't good enough to be conservative in allotting playing time to their second round pick, especially given how Nowell has consistently dominated at the G-League level as well as his college stats, Culver's poor play and all the injuries on the roster. Once again, appear to have a front office and head coach with poor judgment. Nothing new about that.
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lipoli390 wrote:
Q12543 wrote:Nowell back with the Iowa team tonight goes off for 26 points, including 5-10 from 3. Someone needs to explain to him that the distance and hoop dimensions are the same the next time he gets called up.

McLaughlin with a big game too, but the Iowa Wolves lost a close one.


With Nowell it's obviously nerves and confidence holding him back at the NBA level. The remedy for that is simply more playing time and making it clear to him that he doesn't have to constantly think about getting yanked from a game and then sent back down to Iowa over and over again. The Wolves simply aren't good enough to be conservative in allotting playing time to their second round pick, especially given how Nowell has consistently dominated at the G-League level as well as his college stats, Culver's poor play and all the injuries on the roster. Once again, appear to have a front office and head coach with poor judgment. Nothing new about that.


Isn't what you are saying though what Wolves fans have been bitching about for years, that we reward players with playing time when they haven't deserved it. I mean the Wolves are in a playoff hunt right now and Nowell is not knocking down shots, shooting 35% from the field and 12% from 3. Once again I like Nowell and think he can be a solid player in the NBA. I just want him to win his minutes. Naz, KBD, Martin have taken the minutes and run with it. Nowell has not unfortunately.
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kekgeek1 wrote:
lipoli390 wrote:
Q12543 wrote:Nowell back with the Iowa team tonight goes off for 26 points, including 5-10 from 3. Someone needs to explain to him that the distance and hoop dimensions are the same the next time he gets called up.

McLaughlin with a big game too, but the Iowa Wolves lost a close one.


With Nowell it's obviously nerves and confidence holding him back at the NBA level. The remedy for that is simply more playing time and making it clear to him that he doesn't have to constantly think about getting yanked from a game and then sent back down to Iowa over and over again. The Wolves simply aren't good enough to be conservative in allotting playing time to their second round pick, especially given how Nowell has consistently dominated at the G-League level as well as his college stats, Culver's poor play and all the injuries on the roster. Once again, appear to have a front office and head coach with poor judgment. Nothing new about that.


Isn't what you are saying though what Wolves fans have been bitching about for years, that we reward players with playing time when they haven't deserved it. I mean the Wolves are in a playoff hunt right now and Nowell is not knocking down shots, shooting 35% from the field and 12% from 3. Once again I like Nowell and think he can be a solid player in the NBA. I just want him to win his minutes. Naz, KBD, Martin have taken the minutes and run with it. Nowell has not unfortunately.


I've never been concerned about undeserved playing time on the Wolves. My concern has been the lack of talent because of very poor drafting and player personnel decisions. I've also been concerned about the failure of the organization to show ample patience with the few talented young players we've had. My prime example has been Chauncey Billups. The problem wasn't that the Wolves were rewarding him with playing time he didn't deserve. The problem is that they didn't give him enough playing time and failed to show the patience needed for him to develop. He then went to Detroit and became their starting PG and an all-star.

Nowell is a proven consistently good shooter and efficient scorer at every level he's played. He hasn't suddenly became a poor shooter in the NBA. He just needs sufficient, and reliable/consistent playing time for his proven skills to show themselves at this level. He might continue to struggle for a while, but it's likely his proven shooting will show itself. Even if I'm wrong, it's critical to find out for sure.

The Wolves are in the playoffs hunt only insofar as they have a shot at the 8th seed and a quick exit in the playoffs. And that playoff appearance won't do anything to propel the team forward towards contending down the road. The Wolves need to add and develop talent. That's their only chance of eventually becoming a contender. This is the season, the first year of KAT's 5-year deal, to develop and evaluate the talent we have as much as possible. If that means we take a step back and end up, then that simply means a better draft position with which to help build around KAT in the seasons that follow. Being short-sighted has been the Achilles heel of this franchise for a long time. With all the playing time the Wolves have given Culver given how he's performed, it's beyond ridiculous that Nowell continues to get sporadic, limited minutes and repeatedly sent back to Iowa. If we want to talk player development, that's no way to develop talent. And it's certainly no way to evaluate talent. I'll add that if Nowell's shooting comes around consistent with how he's always shot, then more playing time for him actually enhances the team's chances of making the playoffs. But again, that shouldn't be our primary objective. Play the young guys with talent, evaluate them, develop them and then see where the chips fall at the end of the season.
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