Camden wrote:Massive overreaction: Wolves should actively be shopping Robert Covington this trade deadline. I've come around on this one. Originally, I thought it'd be best to wait until next summer's draft, but if this is the player Covington is for the entire season -- still too early to tell -- then the Wolves need to sell high while they can. Compile assets and go get Devin Booker as soon as possible.
The Wolves should probably be shopping everyone on the team not named Karl Anthony Towns through the February trade deadline and again next summer. But It goes without saying that the Wolves should be prudent and only do deals that are likely to improve the Wolves over the longer term. In other words, the deals that will make sense for the Wolves will be with contending teams that would value a Covington or Teague as a player who can make a significant difference for them this season. In exchange, the Wolves would presumably receive future draft picks and/or young players with high upside. If up to me, I'd be highly reluctant to trade Okogie and any future 1st round picks unless we're getting a bona fide young star in return.
I just don't see the Suns dealing Booker to the Wolves this season or next summer. And even if they did, imagine how horrible the Wolves would be defensively with Wiggins and Booker as our wings. D'Angelo Russell might be available shortly before the deadline if the Warriors are still struggling at that point. But I'm not sure there's a realistic deal that would make sense for both teams.
bleedspeed177 wrote:How much better is Booker then Lavine?
This is easy booker this year. Some bull fans arent happy with lavines hero ball antics that have cost them a couple of 4th quarters already this year.
- Whoa. The fight. One-game suspension for both. Sadly, the Wolves had a very winnable game vs. Washington that Towns will miss.
- Towns is now 18 - 34 (53%) on three pointers.
- The rest of the team is 30 - 127 (24%).
- There aren't too many NBA guards who have missed back-to-back free throws worse than Culver. Those were scuds. Yuck. I'm worried. The team is already looking at a lengthy rebuild. They need to hit on the draft picks.
- Philly was my pick to win the championship. And nothing has changed. They're SO big. SO physical. And I assume they'll get a veteran shooter at some point (probably for free) as well.
- Back to the fight. It sucks that Towns will miss a game(s). But if we think back to last year... he was ripped for doing nothing during the Butler saga even though he was trying to take the high road. So I guess many will consider that it's "good" to show some fight, literally.
- This Wolves squad is gonna be overmatched at times this season. There's just no way out of that box right now.
- Simmons. Harris. Horford. Richardson. It could be argued (easily) that each of them is better than the Wolves 2nd best player.
- Gotta admit... Embiid is a GREAT troll. It sorta bothered me that he was playing to the crowd. But I'd probably dig it if I was a 76ers fan.
Wow. I'm a lot sorer today from all of the knee jerk reactions on this board than Towns is from being poked and choked.
76'ers are very real. Very physical. And very talented.
Their expectations are, and should be different than ours.
We need to focus on beating the teams we should beat and improving our movement on offense and defensive schemes. Getting shellacked by the Sixers is not unexpected and folks calling to blow up this scheme 4 games into the season with a 3-1 record are . . . football fans?
38-40 wins would be a success. Culver getting to 18 minutes and 10 points would be a success (better than Butler and Harden their rookie years). Finding a player or two within our one year deals that are worth keeping and can contribute would be a success. Getting Wiggins back to 23/game with improved efficiency will be a success.
leado01 wrote:Wow. I'm a lot sorer today from all of the knee jerk reactions on this board than Towns is from being poked and choked.
76'ers are very real. Very physical. And very talented.
Their expectations are, and should be different than ours.
We need to focus on beating the teams we should beat and improving our movement on offense and defensive schemes. Getting shellacked by the Sixers is not unexpected and folks calling to blow up this scheme 4 games into the season with a 3-1 record are . . . football fans?
38-40 wins would be a success. Culver getting to 18 minutes and 10 points would be a success (better than Butler and Harden their rookie years). Finding a player or two within our one year deals that are worth keeping and can contribute would be a success. Getting Wiggins back to 23/game with improved efficiency will be a success.
You will NEVER improve if you keep blowing it up.
While I'm not going to disagree about most of what you wrote...
- Butler was the #30 pick fighting for time on a title contender that went 50 - 16.
- Harden averaged 9.9 ppg as the 1st guy off the bench for a 50-win team.
leado01 wrote:Wow. I'm a lot sorer today from all of the knee jerk reactions on this board than Towns is from being poked and choked.
76'ers are very real. Very physical. And very talented.
Their expectations are, and should be different than ours.
We need to focus on beating the teams we should beat and improving our movement on offense and defensive schemes. Getting shellacked by the Sixers is not unexpected and folks calling to blow up this scheme 4 games into the season with a 3-1 record are . . . football fans?
38-40 wins would be a success. Culver getting to 18 minutes and 10 points would be a success (better than Butler and Harden their rookie years). Finding a player or two within our one year deals that are worth keeping and can contribute would be a success. Getting Wiggins back to 23/game with improved efficiency will be a success.
You will NEVER improve if you keep blowing it up.
You don't have to blow up the scheme but you also can't just sit back and say well it's just a mismatch and we'll get our asses handed to us every time we play that team and it is what it is. We shouldn't be locked into one scheme this early in the year. You use it and then when it's not gonna work like tonight against the monstars you try something different and maybe that thing even ends up being better long term. Games like tonight put extra wear and tear on everyone getting bullied around when those aren't needed this early in the year. Small ball while good for the team as a whole has Covington playing bad basketball in his new role so small ball may not even be the best scheme to maximize the good players on this team. You have to scheme to your talent and not just force a square peg in a round hole.
leado01 wrote:Wow. I'm a lot sorer today from all of the knee jerk reactions on this board than Towns is from being poked and choked.
76'ers are very real. Very physical. And very talented.
Their expectations are, and should be different than ours.
We need to focus on beating the teams we should beat and improving our movement on offense and defensive schemes. Getting shellacked by the Sixers is not unexpected and folks calling to blow up this scheme 4 games into the season with a 3-1 record are . . . football fans?
38-40 wins would be a success. Culver getting to 18 minutes and 10 points would be a success (better than Butler and Harden their rookie years). Finding a player or two within our one year deals that are worth keeping and can contribute would be a success. Getting Wiggins back to 23/game with improved efficiency will be a success.
You will NEVER improve if you keep blowing it up.
You don't have to blow up the scheme but you also can't just sit back and say well it's just a mismatch and we'll get our asses handed to us every time we play that team and it is what it is. We shouldn't be locked into one scheme this early in the year. You use it and then when it's not gonna work like tonight against the monstars you try something different and maybe that thing even ends up being better long term. Games like tonight put extra wear and tear on everyone getting bullied around when those aren't needed this early in the year. Small ball while good for the team as a whole has Covington playing bad basketball in his new role so small ball may not even be the best scheme to maximize the good players on this team. You have to scheme to your talent and not just force a square peg in a round hole.
To be fair, the organization has basically said it's not about wins and losses right now.
I have no problem with the team taking its lumps while sticking to the script to build the foundation they deem necessary... IF... that's their primary goal.
It's game 4. If they're committed to the bit, let it play out a bit.
[Note: That's not to say I personally endorse any culture, especially this organization with its decades of incompetence, not caring about winning games... only that I think it's fine that they stick closely to the strategy they've planned for more than 3 games. Part of that strategy might even be figuring out over time (and losses) how to overcome these larger and better athletes.]
The guy who would have been nice to have last night was Matt Barnes. I hated the bastard but he would have had KAT's back for sure. Embiid wouldn't have been doing his Rocky bullshit either.
- Whoa. The fight. One-game suspension for both. Sadly, the Wolves had a very winnable game vs. Washington that Towns will miss.
- Towns is now 18 - 34 (53%) on three pointers.
- The rest of the team is 30 - 127 (24%).
- There aren't too many NBA guards who have missed back-to-back free throws worse than Culver. Those were scuds. Yuck. I'm worried. The team is already looking at a lengthy rebuild. They need to hit on the draft picks.
- Philly was my pick to win the championship. And nothing has changed. They're SO big. SO physical. And I assume they'll get a veteran shooter at some point (probably for free) as well.
- Back to the fight. It sucks that Towns will miss a game(s). But if we think back to last year... he was ripped for doing nothing during the Butler saga even though he was trying to take the high road. So I guess many will consider that it's "good" to show some fight, literally.
- This Wolves squad is gonna be overmatched at times this season. There's just no way out of that box right now.
- Simmons. Harris. Horford. Richardson. It could be argued (easily) that each of them is better than the Wolves 2nd best player.
- Gotta admit... Embiid is a GREAT troll. It sorta bothered me that he was playing to the crowd. But I'd probably dig it if I was a 76ers fan.
I'm not a BB player at all and even I can make free throws at a higher rate, shooting hoops isn't hard. It is concerning that his shot looks this bad early on. Mental or mechanical? Maybe both.
