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crazy-canuck wrote:Excellent do shit stats across the board from our starters:

Taj 18/10 with 3 blocks
Kat 14/11 with 4 asts, 3 stls, and 2 blks
wiggs 15/8 with 5 asts, 1 stl, and 1 blk
teague 25/8 with 4 rebs, and steals
Jimmy being jimmy

Speaking of do shit I want Gary Payton on this team. It was just a few minutes but he looked like a guy that can give you a lot of what Kris Dunn does for cheap and you don't have to play him a lot of minutes. 12 minutes scores no points but gets 5 rebounds and 4 assists. That's always been my take about him though but he looked the part.

Dieng with a -11 in a 17 pt win.

At some point thibs needs to realize that contract was a mistake and just play aldrich or patton or even amile. Its like hes playing dieng to justify that contract.

crazy-canuck wrote:Dieng with a -11 in a 17 pt win.

At some point thibs needs to realize that contract was a mistake and just play aldrich or patton or even amile. Its like hes playing dieng to justify that contract.

None of those other guys are good options either unfortunately. Amile is a PF, Aldrich fouls too much and can't contain out on the perimeter, and Patton is young and soft. Dieng is one of the biggest disappointments of the season, but he's probably the best we've got for now in terms of bench Centers.

Q12543 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:Dieng with a -11 in a 17 pt win.

At some point thibs needs to realize that contract was a mistake and just play aldrich or patton or even amile. Its like hes playing dieng to justify that contract.

None of those other guys are good options either unfortunately. Amile is a PF, Aldrich fouls too much and can't contain out on the perimeter, and Patton is young and soft. Dieng is one of the biggest disappointments of the season, but he's probably the best we've got for now in terms of bench Centers.

I think this is where Thibs is a little too committed to his system. Play Belly more. He may not be the rebounder that G is but he grinds on D and he's so much more versatile. Plus his teammates trust him. With Belly we force the other team's hand.

thedoper wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:Dieng with a -11 in a 17 pt win.

At some point thibs needs to realize that contract was a mistake and just play aldrich or patton or even amile. Its like hes playing dieng to justify that contract.

None of those other guys are good options either unfortunately. Amile is a PF, Aldrich fouls too much and can't contain out on the perimeter, and Patton is young and soft. Dieng is one of the biggest disappointments of the season, but he's probably the best we've got for now in terms of bench Centers.

I think this is where Thibs is a little too committed to his system. Play Belly more. He may not be the rebounder that G is but he grinds on D and he's so much more versatile. Plus his teammates trust him. With Belly we force the other team's hand.

Agree, and he's prolly a better rebounder. I do feel bad for Gorgi, I think Tibs has killed his confidence

Duke13 wrote:

thedoper wrote:

Q12543 wrote:

crazy-canuck wrote:Dieng with a -11 in a 17 pt win.

At some point thibs needs to realize that contract was a mistake and just play aldrich or patton or even amile. Its like hes playing dieng to justify that contract.

None of those other guys are good options either unfortunately. Amile is a PF, Aldrich fouls too much and can't contain out on the perimeter, and Patton is young and soft. Dieng is one of the biggest disappointments of the season, but he's probably the best we've got for now in terms of bench Centers.

I think this is where Thibs is a little too committed to his system. Play Belly more. He may not be the rebounder that G is but he grinds on D and he's so much more versatile. Plus his teammates trust him. With Belly we force the other team's hand.

Agree, and he's prolly a better rebounder. I do feel bad for Gorgi, I think Tibs has killed his confidence

Q, Doper and Duke -- I agree with all three of you. Q's right that Gorgui is the best option compared to Aldrich, Patton and Jefferson for all the reasons Q gave. I also agree with Doper that Thibs is too tied to his system and, on this issue, needs to play Belly more. Finally, I agree with Duke that Thibs has killed Gorgui's confidence. As a result, we're not getting Gorgui's best. But Thibs hasn't been getting the best or the most out of Belly either.

I've always liked Gorgui, but his contract was a mistake and it was a further mistake to keep Gorgui after signing Gibson. This is the era of stretch 4s. Gibson isn't a stretch 4 but is exceptional in many other ways -- offensive efficiency, defensively. The smarter move last summer would have been to trade Gorgui for a shorter-term contract and sign a stretch 4 like Illyasova.

lipoli390 wrote:

Duke13 wrote:

Agree, and he's prolly a better rebounder. I do feel bad for Gorgi, I think Tibs has killed his confidence

Q, Doper and Duke -- I agree with all three of you. Q's right that Gorgui is the best option compared to Aldrich, Patton and Jefferson for all the reasons Q gave. I also agree with Doper that Thibs is too tied to his system and, on this issue, needs to play Belly more. Finally, I agree with Duke that Thibs has killed Gorgui's confidence. As a result, we're not getting Gorgui's best. But Thibs hasn't been getting the best or the most out of Belly either.

I've always liked Gorgui, but his contract was a mistake and it was a further mistake to keep Gorgui after signing Gibson. This is the era of stretch 4s. Gibson isn't a stretch 4 but is exceptional in many other ways -- offensive efficiency, defensively. The smarter move last summer would have been to trade Gorgui for a shorter-term contract and sign a stretch 4 like Illyasova.

Gorgui's confidence has nothing to do with him being unable to move laterally or show on the PnR. Thibs did nothing but praise G for is play last season, so I don't see how Thibs bears any responsibility for G's play now.

I am pretty sure that Gorgui's contract is untradeable on its own, and Thibs is too stubborn to admit he screwed up by using a first rounder to unload it (if that is enough?).

sjm34 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Duke13 wrote:

Agree, and he's prolly a better rebounder. I do feel bad for Gorgi, I think Tibs has killed his confidence

Q, Doper and Duke -- I agree with all three of you. Q's right that Gorgui is the best option compared to Aldrich, Patton and Jefferson for all the reasons Q gave. I also agree with Doper that Thibs is too tied to his system and, on this issue, needs to play Belly more. Finally, I agree with Duke that Thibs has killed Gorgui's confidence. As a result, we're not getting Gorgui's best. But Thibs hasn't been getting the best or the most out of Belly either.

I've always liked Gorgui, but his contract was a mistake and it was a further mistake to keep Gorgui after signing Gibson. This is the era of stretch 4s. Gibson isn't a stretch 4 but is exceptional in many other ways -- offensive efficiency, defensively. The smarter move last summer would have been to trade Gorgui for a shorter-term contract and sign a stretch 4 like Illyasova.

Gorgui's confidence has nothing to do with him being unable to move laterally or show on the PnR. Thibs did nothing but praise G for is play last season, so I don't see how Thibs bears any responsibility for G's play now.

I am pretty sure that Gorgui's contract is untradeable on its own, and Thibs is too stubborn to admit he screwed up by using a first rounder to unload it (if that is enough?).

I agree that Gorgui's confidence has nothing to do with his slow lateral movement. In fact, Gorgui's main problem is the fact that he's slow overall. But lack of confidence and playing time have hurt his offensive game. He's always been a good mid-range shooter and good passer. He's slid back in both categories.

I agree that his contract is probably untradeable now. And there's no way I'd give up a first round pick just to get another team to take him. But I think he was tradeable for decent value last summer, coming off a pretty good season for him. Thibs' failure to deal him last summer was an error in judgment.

lipoli390 wrote:

sjm34 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Duke13 wrote:

Agree, and he's prolly a better rebounder. I do feel bad for Gorgi, I think Tibs has killed his confidence

Q, Doper and Duke -- I agree with all three of you. Q's right that Gorgui is the best option compared to Aldrich, Patton and Jefferson for all the reasons Q gave. I also agree with Doper that Thibs is too tied to his system and, on this issue, needs to play Belly more. Finally, I agree with Duke that Thibs has killed Gorgui's confidence. As a result, we're not getting Gorgui's best. But Thibs hasn't been getting the best or the most out of Belly either.

I've always liked Gorgui, but his contract was a mistake and it was a further mistake to keep Gorgui after signing Gibson. This is the era of stretch 4s. Gibson isn't a stretch 4 but is exceptional in many other ways -- offensive efficiency, defensively. The smarter move last summer would have been to trade Gorgui for a shorter-term contract and sign a stretch 4 like Illyasova.

Gorgui's confidence has nothing to do with him being unable to move laterally or show on the PnR. Thibs did nothing but praise G for is play last season, so I don't see how Thibs bears any responsibility for G's play now.

I am pretty sure that Gorgui's contract is untradeable on its own, and Thibs is too stubborn to admit he screwed up by using a first rounder to unload it (if that is enough?).

I agree that Gorgui's confidence has nothing to do with his slow lateral movement. In fact, Gorgui's main problem is the fact that he's slow overall. But lack of confidence and playing time have hurt his offensive game. He's always been a good mid-range shooter and good passer. He's slid back in both categories.

I agree that his contract is probably untradeable now. And there's no way I'd give up a first round pick just to get another team to take him. But I think he was tradeable for decent value last summer, coming off a pretty good season for him. Thibs' failure to deal him last summer was an error in judgment.

I'd like to see your post from last summer calling to trade Dieng for value.

monsterpile wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

sjm34 wrote:

lipoli390 wrote:

Duke13 wrote:

Agree, and he's prolly a better rebounder. I do feel bad for Gorgi, I think Tibs has killed his confidence

Q, Doper and Duke -- I agree with all three of you. Q's right that Gorgui is the best option compared to Aldrich, Patton and Jefferson for all the reasons Q gave. I also agree with Doper that Thibs is too tied to his system and, on this issue, needs to play Belly more. Finally, I agree with Duke that Thibs has killed Gorgui's confidence. As a result, we're not getting Gorgui's best. But Thibs hasn't been getting the best or the most out of Belly either.

I've always liked Gorgui, but his contract was a mistake and it was a further mistake to keep Gorgui after signing Gibson. This is the era of stretch 4s. Gibson isn't a stretch 4 but is exceptional in many other ways -- offensive efficiency, defensively. The smarter move last summer would have been to trade Gorgui for a shorter-term contract and sign a stretch 4 like Illyasova.

Gorgui's confidence has nothing to do with him being unable to move laterally or show on the PnR. Thibs did nothing but praise G for is play last season, so I don't see how Thibs bears any responsibility for G's play now.

I am pretty sure that Gorgui's contract is untradeable on its own, and Thibs is too stubborn to admit he screwed up by using a first rounder to unload it (if that is enough?).

I agree that Gorgui's confidence has nothing to do with his slow lateral movement. In fact, Gorgui's main problem is the fact that he's slow overall. But lack of confidence and playing time have hurt his offensive game. He's always been a good mid-range shooter and good passer. He's slid back in both categories.

I agree that his contract is probably untradeable now. And there's no way I'd give up a first round pick just to get another team to take him. But I think he was tradeable for decent value last summer, coming off a pretty good season for him. Thibs' failure to deal him last summer was an error in judgment.

I'd like to see your post from last summer calling to trade Dieng for value.

Come on Monster, you're showing your smarmy side again. You won't find that quote because I never called for trading him last summer. If I had been PBO, failing to trade him would have been MY error of judgment. But guess what, I wasn't PBO; Thibs was. So that makes it Thibs' error. Whether I would have made the same mistake at the time doesn't change the analysis of whether it was a mistake. You do understand that, don't you?