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I didn't think we'd get Covington and Saric. Way better than getting Fultz, or having to take Whiteside or Waiters from Miami. I'm high on Saric still, he's also supposed to be quite the character to I hope it brings some needed levity to the locker room and a comrade for Towns.

I don't think its fair to lump Waiters and Whiteside together. Waiters is an overpaid, injury plagued malcontent who is not a very good NBA player. Whiteside is the NBA's leading shotblocker and 2nd leading rebounder (and he even beat's the 1 guy Drummond in rebounds per minute). Whiteside could definitely help address a need for the Wolves and being an elite shot blocker and rebounder is counter to the criticism that he just doesn't put out the effort. He may be a bit quirky but he's better than a "bad contract". That said, JRich is the centerpiece who I think has oodles of upside and I think it was a big mistake to not try to land JRich when he was offered.

JRich might be high upside, but he could also max out into Robert Covington with less length. I'd say Saric is pretty high on the upside too.

JasonIsDaMan wrote:Congratulations, Wolves. I am done. I've been a fan from the beginning. I was there when you beat PHI in the dome, and probably went to 50 or so games the first 3 years before I moved to FL. And now I'm done.

This the second worst MIN sports trade in history (Herschel will probably always be first). This makes the Brent Burns trade competent. This makes the KG trade look like Highway robbery.

So this is better than four 1sts and cap crap from HOU? Or whatever MIA would have countered with?

If you extrapolate this trade out, MIN just traded #7/Zach/Dunn for Covington/Saric/Bayless/2nd. That's not winning basketball. This is David Kahn/John Gabriel nonsense. I can't take anymore. Move to Seattle. Move to the Lake of Tranquility. I don't care.

Respond if you want. I'm not going to read it.

First off, I would agree that the trade for Butler never should have been made.

Second, you're an idiot if you don't think this was a great trade for us.

The wolves get two players who fit our makeup - a spacing 4 and a 3-d wing. Both of which allow us to see what we have in our "cornerstones" in KAT and Wiggins.

We didn't get back any terrible contracts, we got rid of a headache that was affecting our team (obvious to anyone who actually watches), and finally chose a door/direction.

I liked the 4 picks from Houston, but this is much better. The wolves just got two bonafide good/rotation players back in this deal for a player who was consistently working to severely diminish all leverage for tbis team, painting this franchise into a corner

A team would be ecstatic to get that kind of return from four first rounders.

This is finally done, and it is great.

Good job Thibs/Layden/Taylor!

I saw that Saric has really struggled this year so far, I wonder if that made Philly pull the trigger. I hope a change of scenery is good for him.

KG4Ever wrote:I don't think its fair to lump Waiters and Whiteside together. Waiters is an overpaid, injury plagued malcontent who is not a very good NBA player. Whiteside is the NBA's leading shotblocker and 2nd leading rebounder (and he even beat's the 1 guy Drummond in rebounds per minute). Whiteside could definitely help address a need for the Wolves and being an elite shot blocker and rebounder is counter to the criticism that he just doesn't put out the effort. He may be a bit quirky but he's better than a "bad contract". That said, JRich is the centerpiece who I think has oodles of upside and I think it was a big mistake to not try to land JRich when he was offered.

We will never know for sure but I don't think based on the reports we saw that the Heat were willing to take back Dieng which would have been the way we end up with Whiteside. I was always much more willing to take back Whiteside in a deal than most here so I agree that Whiteside was a bit different. I was willing to take him even if he ended up not having value as a player and as you have laid out so far he looks like he would at the very least been sort of a nice get in that area. I'm still a bit skeptical on Richardson being more than a nice complimentary player and I do like him.

I think the Wolves with the Sixers deal gives them more financial flexibility to add a decent player via FA or keep a guy past this year so that adds to the value of the deal. It's also a small thing that we don't improve Miami since we have their 2nd round pick.

WolvesFan21 wrote:I saw that Saric has really struggled this year so far, I wonder if that made Philly pull the trigger. I hope a change of scenery is good for him.

His last two games have been very good...

60WinTim wrote:

WolvesFan21 wrote:I saw that Saric has really struggled this year so far, I wonder if that made Philly pull the trigger. I hope a change of scenery is good for him.

His last two games have been very good...

Apparently saric commits thi his national team every offseason, so he tends to come in tired fir the start of the season.

Thinking about this deal from Philly's side I think it's a pretty good gamble for them. Saric was a guy they were going to have to pay some money at some point if he even fit. A couple points the Dunc'd On guys made was the top FAs available for this offseason was looking like they might have missed out anyway. Plus shipping out Covington and Saric butler's Cap hold is like 30 million so they could still have some cap space (around 20 million) to work with in the summer to add guys or bring back players they already have. They also mentioned that even if Butler's contract gets to be bad doesn't he road they said if they strike out on the big FAs...overpaying Butler because he isn't as good a few seasons from now might be better than ending up overpaying some just decent players or not getting a guy they ultimately need to get to a championship level.

As for the fit either the young players...I think Butler and Embiid will mesh better personality wise better than Towns and Butler did. Both like to troll people and are a little weird. Embiid ain't gonna back down and will probably love the back and forth with Butler etc. Embiid plays stellar defense so that helps. Embiid and Simmons already won without a guy like Butler so they should be more ready to win now so that should make Butler happy. On the floor Butler is is probably a little better 3 point shooter than he gets credit for and Simmons and Embiid COULD feed him for some easy looks if he lets them. We will see how it works. I'm not sure I would have done the deal but Butler is a heck of player even with the obvious downsides.

monsterpile wrote:Thinking about this deal from Philly's side I think it's a pretty good gamble for them. Saric was a guy they were going to have to pay some money at some point if he even fit. A couple points the Dunc'd On guys made was the top FAs available for this offseason was looking like they might have missed out anyway. Plus shipping out Covington and Saric butler's Cap hold is like 30 million so they could still have some cap space (around 20 million) to work with in the summer to add guys or bring back players they already have. They also mentioned that even if Butler's contract gets to be bad doesn't he road they said if they strike out on the big FAs...overpaying Butler because he isn't as good a few seasons from now might be better than ending up overpaying some just decent players or not getting a guy they ultimately need to get to a championship level.

As for the fit either the young players...I think Butler and Embiid will mesh better personality wise better than Towns and Butler did. Both like to troll people and are a little weird. Embiid ain't gonna back down and will probably love the back and forth with Butler etc. Embiid plays stellar defense so that helps. Embiid and Simmons already won without a guy like Butler so they should be more ready to win now so that should make Butler happy. On the floor Butler is is probably a little better 3 point shooter than he gets credit for and Simmons and Embiid COULD feed him for some easy looks if he lets them. We will see how it works. I'm not sure I would have done the deal but Butler is a heck of player even with the obvious downsides.

Why wouldn't you do the deal?